Funny.
IRS deals with money and there is no place on a 4473 form to enter such. 

Funny.
IRS deals with money and there is no place on a 4473 form to enter such. 

This is the kind of thing they would do in order to push people over the edge and start an insurrection because they know when they lose the election a lot of these agencies won’t exist any more.

Funny.
IRS deals with money and there is no place on a 4473 form to enter such. 

If IRS and the ATF were both involved and working together that would suggest there was an area of interest about both firearm sales as well as tax issues.

It did say the ATF was assisting the IRS. I am just guessing here but the 4473 form might one way of checking on the sales to make sure the there is no fishy sales in terms of hiding profits. If, for example, a gun store tried to hide profits by saying he did $10,000 in business but the 4473 forms showed transactions for firearms with a value of $50,000 he might be guilty of avoiding taxes.

Very limited information, not much could be inferred other than there is some sort of tax violation investigation of a gun store. It makes sense that the IRS with no expertise in firearms would invite the ATF to come along.

* In June 2021, the Biden administration established a zero-tolerance policy for gun dealers
who commit so-called "willful" violations. In defiance of the law, the administration interprets
the word “willful” to include minor paperwork errors.

* The rule allows the ATF to revoke Federal Firearm License's (FFLs) for unjustifiable reasons.

* Under this policy, Biden’s ATF has created a 500% spike in FFL revocations. 

No evidence there was any tax issue -- no financial or accounting records were taken.

You know this because you have access to the police reports? I know the store owner is making that claim, but you going to just parrot his claim?

Additionally, like I pointed out already, the 4473 forms contain information which may be of value to a financial investigation.

Government overreach.  And they are pretty smug about it.  They don't seem to care one way or another.

Over the years they have managed to brainwash enough sheeple where the outcries of the 2a community is being drowned out by the bleating of the masses.

I’ve often said the U.S. needs a reset, by whatever means necessary….

Back in the day when I repaired
and Then designed computers there was always
a PINT pin
That is power initialize pin.
Power down and reset the machine.
America needs a PINT.

Unless you have evidence the store owner is lying, why would you impugn his integrity like that?

Like i pointed out already, there are other records that the IRS can use for that purpose that do not contain the names, social security numbers, driver's license/ID numbers, addresses, firearms acquired and other personal data belonging to the customers.

As an FFL holder myself, I have to keep a book of all firearms acquired and disposed of pertaining to collecting curios and relics.  That book is made available to any ATF agent upon request.  The only difference is i only record the information that book requires, not the personal info of the buyers and sellers other than names.

You really do trust the government.  Even IF (big IF) the IRS finds "information which may be of value to a financial investigation" in the 4473s, the bigger question is whether the IRS has the authority to TAKE those forms given the fact the law states only the FFL can retain them.  Even the FBI when running NICS background checks doesn't get all the information on the 4473 such as specific firearm details.  But now the IRS can have it?

Too shady.

Here's a hypothetical for your noggin:

1.  person buys a gun from an FFL.
2.  person passes the NICS background check.
3.  person now possesses the gun.
4.  per federal law, the FBI doesn't get to keep the 4473 -- only the data necessary perform the NICS check is transmitted and only retained for a short time.
5.  if there's a need to investigate the ownership of a firearm the shop may have sold, a request is sent to the shop to ask them to review the 4473.
6.  only if the shop is closed permanently does the FBI get all of those forms.
7.  now, instead of being made to request 4473 information from the dealer, the executive agencies can just walk in and take them.  What they do with them after that will never be known for sure save for any whistleblowers.  They could build that illegal firearm database from the 4473s under the guise of "firearm dealer records for possible financial investigation use" instead of "collecting individual firearm ownership records in violation of federal law."

Why they took the records is not the problem.  That the forms are maintained by the dealer -- not the iRS or ATF -- is the problem.

They didn't take some.  They took all of them.  That's not an "investigation."  It's a fishing expedition.

I never accused him of lying. I only pointed out that you are repeating his words as if you know them to be true.
Why didn't you consider maybe he is lying, you only suggested dishonesty on one side.

What I pointed out was neutral, neither trusting of the government nor trusting of the owner.

If the 4473s were evidence in a case then a law about who retains the forms would not apply. There simply isn't enough information in the article to judge whether the IRS was acting properly.

But lets go with the worst case conspiracy theory here, the IRS and the ATF team up to gather records to make a national database so they could confiscate firearms... Surely you realize how many gun stores and FFL dealers such as yourself that they would need to raid without justification?