TAPES Lordy, Lordy, there are Tapes (Read 20132 times)

macsak

Re: TAPES Lordy, Lordy, there are Tapes
« Reply #60 on: July 21, 2023, 08:47:18 PM »
cool story, bro...

Exactly and start by taking a stand against the evil intentions of the Republican Maga Movement. This is not your father's Republican party. Many in the MAGA movement truly have evil intentions.

Sodie

Re: TAPES Lordy, Lordy, there are Tapes
« Reply #61 on: July 21, 2023, 09:52:02 PM »
Divide and conquer.  The US has never been before so polarized as it is now.  (Divide)

They are infiltrating our schools, businesses, and government.  (Conquer)

1865 called.  They want to chat about the war between the states.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: TAPES Lordy, Lordy, there are Tapes
« Reply #62 on: July 21, 2023, 10:38:16 PM »
1865 called.  They want to chat about the war between the states.

You say that as if all Southerners were in favor of secession or war.

Southern Unionists
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Many Southern soldiers remained loyal when their states seceded; 40% of Virginian
officers in the United States military, for example, stayed with the Union.[8] During the
war, many Southern Unionists went North and joined the Union armies. Others joined
when Union armies entered their hometowns in Tennessee, Virginia, Arkansas, Louisiana,
and elsewhere. Around 100,000 Southern Unionists served in the Union Army during
the Civil War, and every Southern state except South Carolina raised organizations of
white troops.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Unionist

There were 34 states in 1860 before the Confederacy began. 

Initially, only 7 slave-owning Southern states joined together as the Confederate States.  When the war started, there were 11 in the Confederacy willing to secede.

We are more divided now with the amount of people wanting nothing more than power and wealth by "serving" in government.

If it takes another civil war to convince you of that, stay tuned.  if things continue to worsen, that can't be far off.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Wchiro

Re: TAPES Lordy, Lordy, there are Tapes
« Reply #63 on: July 21, 2023, 11:49:31 PM »
Nothing compares to your boy's crime of inciting an insurrection.

REALLY!  I remember watching Trumps video and tweet to the people on Jan. 6, he told those attending the rally to "go home and go home in peace".  If that's inciting an insurrection you must have lost some marbles along the way on your life's journey.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2023, 12:19:51 AM by Wchiro »

hvybarrels

Re: TAPES Lordy, Lordy, there are Tapes
« Reply #64 on: July 22, 2023, 03:08:45 AM »
The real insurrection was on Nov 3rd

Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

groveler

Re: TAPES Lordy, Lordy, there are Tapes
« Reply #65 on: July 22, 2023, 08:23:21 AM »
You say that as if all Southerners were in favor of secession or war.

Southern Unionists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Unionist

There were 34 states in 1860 before the Confederacy began. 

Initially, only 7 slave-owning Southern states joined together as the Confederate States.  When the war started, there were 11 in the Confederacy willing to secede.

We are more divided now with the amount of people wanting nothing more than power and wealth by "serving" in government.

If it takes another civil war to convince you of that, stay tuned.  if things continue to worsen, that can't be far off.
"If it takes another civil war to convince you of that, stay tuned.  if things continue to worsen, that can't be far off."
We have been in a "civil" war for some time now.  It is Democrats against Americans.
It is pretty damn obvious here in Hawaii, where freedom and rights are a sham.
You have to beg to buy a gun and you can't protect yourself in public places?
and Hawaiian citizens tolerate that????????????????
The only reason this place is tolerable is because the overpriced government is so incompetent
and corrupt.   We'd be shooting at it otherwise.
Mainland isn't a lot better, but as long as you avoid cities and Democrat run states you can generally do OK.
The big problem is the Federal Government which in no way shape or form represents America,
it oppresses it.  We just need to throttle it and not start shooting at each other.
Democrats and RINOs run the Federal government. That's who needs to be eliminated.
Lesson #1 of the first civil war.



Sodie

Re: TAPES Lordy, Lordy, there are Tapes
« Reply #66 on: July 22, 2023, 09:40:47 AM »
You say that as if all Southerners were in favor of secession or war.

Southern Unionists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Unionist

There were 34 states in 1860 before the Confederacy began. 

Initially, only 7 slave-owning Southern states joined together as the Confederate States.  When the war started, there were 11 in the Confederacy willing to secede.

We are more divided now with the amount of people wanting nothing more than power and wealth by "serving" in government.

If it takes another civil war to convince you of that, stay tuned.  if things continue to worsen, that can't be far off.

I didn’t intend to indicate that all southerners were onboard with secession, and I don’t think I said anything to lead to that conclusion.

As far as relative division, when 6,000,000-plus Americans have died in organized fighting between factions, I might believe we’re more divided than we’ve ever been.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: TAPES Lordy, Lordy, there are Tapes
« Reply #67 on: July 22, 2023, 09:58:39 AM »
I didn’t intend to indicate that all southerners were onboard with secession, and I don’t think I said anything to lead to that conclusion.

As far as relative division, when 6,000,000-plus Americans have died in organized fighting between factions, I might believe we’re more divided than we’ve ever been.

How many volunteers have died in the wars since WWII?  Were all of them politically aligned with a single ideology? 

Neither were the ones who fought and died in the Civil War.  Most were not FOR slavery or secession as much as they were AGAINST a federal government making laws that were specifically targeting Southern states' self government.

In the South, most fought out of a sense of duty and loyalty to their homes, not for politics or other issues. 

It's not called "The War of Northern Aggression" for nothing.  It was also called "The Great Rebellion," hence the names Rebel and Johnny Rebel used to refer to the Confederate soldiers.

Most people on all sides just wanted to live their lives and were not involved in politics at any level.

Nowadays, it's rare to find someone who doesn't at least parrot the talking points of whichever side of an issue they follow.  To me, the minds and opinions of people today are much more divided politically than the 6M dead from the Civil War. 

"Divided Nation" is not a game you win by having the most casualties.  It's a point in time defined by the number of people unwilling to compromise their beliefs, opinions and ideologies versus those on the opposite side of those ideas.

The outcome of the war determined which side would prevail, but 11 states out of 34 does not constitute a divided nation as much as 81 million people supposedly voting for a corrupt fossil versus 74 million.  155 million voters represents many more people's opposing views than 6 million who may have died for reasons other than national policies.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: TAPES Lordy, Lordy, there are Tapes
« Reply #68 on: July 22, 2023, 10:07:51 AM »
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The above results, which again are only a rough approximation, show that 2.674 million
out of 5.582 million Southerners supported secession prior to the bombardment of Fort
Sumter; in other words, a slim minority. But when you take into consideration the "abnormalities"
documented by Professor Williams and the Georgia Historical Society and apply them to
the other states, it's likely a significant majority of Southerners opposed secession. And if
you count Kentucky, Maryland and/or Missouri as Southern states, a large majority of
Southerners opposed secession.
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/how-many-southerners-favored-secession.23264/

In my opinion, when you have a roughly even split between citizens on an issue/policy, that constitutes a greater divide than a minority willing to wage war against the majority.

It's the ratio of opinions for or against something, not how extreme the minority decides to become.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: TAPES Lordy, Lordy, there are Tapes
« Reply #69 on: July 22, 2023, 10:08:37 AM »
Too little too late.. He told them to go and fight like hell, he wanted to join them, only after the coup failed, people died and he faced legal liability did he try to save himself with a half-hearted plea to his minions.

No proof of anything you said.

 :popcorn:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Sodie

Re: TAPES Lordy, Lordy, there are Tapes
« Reply #70 on: July 22, 2023, 10:59:29 AM »
[snip]How many volunteers have died in the wars since WWII?  Were all of them politically aligned with a single ideology?

Not sure what relevance that has?
 
[snip]It's not called "The War of Northern Aggression" for nothing.

It’s only called that by the side that lost… just sayin’.

[snip]"Divided Nation" is not a game you win by having the most casualties.  It's a point in time defined by the number of people unwilling to compromise their beliefs, opinions and ideologies versus those on the opposite side of those ideas.

But they ARE willing to compromise… otherwise, we’d already see that shooting war I keep hearing about.

QUIETShooter

Re: TAPES Lordy, Lordy, there are Tapes
« Reply #71 on: July 22, 2023, 12:51:57 PM »
Yes, Trump did tell them to fight like hell.

But I don't think he meant the word "fight" to mean what the nutty people who believe there was an insurrection are believing.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2023, 01:10:43 PM by QUIETShooter »
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

hvybarrels

Re: TAPES Lordy, Lordy, there are Tapes
« Reply #72 on: July 22, 2023, 01:23:15 PM »
Are you guys talking about the Fedsurrection?

Where a bunch of federal agents took some protesters on a walking tour of congress and then shot one of them for no reason?

Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: TAPES Lordy, Lordy, there are Tapes
« Reply #73 on: July 22, 2023, 02:06:28 PM »
Yes, Trump did tell them to fight like hell.

But I don't think he meant the word "fight" to mean what the nutty people who believe there was an insurrection are believing.

That's true.

Haven't heard a peep out of the DOJ after the Senate Minority Leader said this:
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"I want to tell you, Gorsuch, I want to tell you, Kavanaugh, you have released the
whirlwind and you will pay the price," Schumer, who was then minority leader, said
at the time. "You won't know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions."

And then this happened:
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On Wednesday, GOP Representatives Marjorie Taylor Greene, Vicky Hartzler and
Mike Johnson quoted the Democratic leader after it was reported that an armed
man was detained near Kavanaugh's home overnight.
https://www.newsweek.com/chuck-schumer-brett-kavanaugh-roe-v-wade-pay-price-comment-1713964

But when Trump says a word like "fight", it's inciting insurrection?  Ho many times have the Democrats used that word and even more descriptive than that to rally their base?

Please.  Anyone with half a brain knows what  Trump meant. 

The Left has become the movement of linguistics.  Words only mean what they want them to mean when it suits their agenda.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: TAPES Lordy, Lordy, there are Tapes
« Reply #74 on: July 22, 2023, 02:17:13 PM »
Not sure what relevance that has?

--It's relevant because you made statements that implied the number of people on the side of a military conflict are supportive of that side's cause.  Otherwise, why bring up 6 million dead?  "... when 6,000,000-plus Americans have died in organized fighting between factions, I might believe we’re more divided than we’ve ever been."  That would indicate every military organization is comprised of fighters with the same political opinions.  Most gave an oath and are following orders even when the action contradicts their own political opinions.  if that were not true, you'd see a mass exodus from the military every time a Democrat gets elected President, and another stampede for the door when a Republican is elected.
 
It’s only called that by the side that lost… just sayin’.

-- Funny.  I don't see any side as winners.  The Confederacy surrendered, but only after the Northern troops destroyed much of the Southern towns.   Then came the need to rebuild.  not much of a victory.

But they ARE willing to compromise… otherwise, we’d already see that shooting war I keep hearing about.

-- You don't spend much time watching the news or visiting left-leaning websites, huh?  The only thing stopping a shooting war is the Right deciding not to start it.  The Left knows they can't win such a conflict, even with "nukes" in their party's control.  That's not compromise unless you think war is the only alternative for either side.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Sodie

Re: TAPES Lordy, Lordy, there are Tapes
« Reply #75 on: July 22, 2023, 03:17:01 PM »

Not sure what relevance that has?

--It's relevant because you made statements that implied the number of people on the side of a military conflict are supportive of that side's cause.  Otherwise, why bring up 6 million dead?  "... when 6,000,000-plus Americans have died in organized fighting between factions, I might believe we’re more divided than we’ve ever been."  That would indicate every military organization is comprised of fighters with the same political opinions.  Most gave an oath and are following orders even when the action contradicts their own political opinions.  if that were not true, you'd see a mass exodus from the military every time a Democrat gets elected President, and another stampede for the door when a Republican is elected.
 
It’s only called that by the side that lost… just sayin’.

-- Funny.  I don't see any side as winners.  The Confederacy surrendered, but only after the Northern troops destroyed much of the Southern towns.   Then came the need to rebuild.  not much of a victory.

But they ARE willing to compromise… otherwise, we’d already see that shooting war I keep hearing about.

-- You don't spend much time watching the news or visiting left-leaning websites, huh?  The only thing stopping a shooting war is the Right deciding not to start it.  The Left knows they can't win such a conflict, even with "nukes" in their party's control.  That's not compromise unless you think war is the only alternative for either side.


The reason I brought up the death toll of the American Civil War (proportional to today’s U.S. population) is to say that I believe we were way more divided then, as evidenced by the death toll of between 600,000-750,000 of Americans killing other Americans.  THAT’S polarization; what we have now is for the most part a bunch of keyboard-warrior blowhards signaling their virtue on either side of any particular issue, with a very small minority that is willing to take action based on their ideology (again, on both sides).

Yes, much of the South was destroyed and had to be rebuilt.  In my opinion, worth it to eliminate the evil of slavery from our nation… and therefore a victory.

“The only thing stopping a shooting war is the Right deciding not to start it.”  A) BS; see “keyboard warrior blowhards.”  B) That’s also exactly my point.  If these folks on the right you speak of were so “unwilling to compromise their beliefs, opinions and ideologies,” we’d be in the full throes of a second civil war.  Which we are not.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: TAPES Lordy, Lordy, there are Tapes
« Reply #76 on: July 22, 2023, 03:23:58 PM »
The reason I brought up the death toll of the American Civil War (proportional to today’s U.S. population) is to say that I believe we were way more divided then, as evidenced by the death toll of between 600,000-750,000 of Americans killing other Americans.  THAT’S polarization; what we have now is for the most part a bunch of keyboard-warrior blowhards signaling their virtue on either side of any particular issue, with a very small minority that is willing to take action based on their ideology (again, on both sides).

Yes, much of the South was destroyed and had to be rebuilt.  In my opinion, worth it to eliminate the evil of slavery from our nation… and therefore a victory.

“The only thing stopping a shooting war is the Right deciding not to start it.”  A) BS; see “keyboard warrior blowhards.”  B) That’s also exactly my point.  If these folks on the right you speak of were so “unwilling to compromise their beliefs, opinions and ideologies,” we’d be in the full throes of a second civil war.  Which we are not.

Why do you believe that anything less than violence and war is a "compromise?"  Are there no alternatives to violence that can still be viewed as advocating for one's policy positions?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: TAPES Lordy, Lordy, there are Tapes
« Reply #77 on: July 25, 2023, 10:18:39 PM »
Trump is in trouble for bragging about some docs to a journalist. Biden took millions in bribes from the Chinese Communist Party and overseeing the wholesale destruction of the nation.

Your skepticism lacks the appropriate perspective.

That is a very inaccurate characterization of what happened. You downplay what Trump did and over-state the case against Biden

eyeeatingfish

Re: TAPES Lordy, Lordy, there are Tapes
« Reply #78 on: July 25, 2023, 10:22:12 PM »
tapes are nothing compared to pics/data from Hunter's laptop.
After all, a picture is worth a thousand words and there are very many
pictures. MTG should be given credit for bringing just some of them into
the light of day.



MTG is trailer trash. Showing pictures of Hunter Biden banging some prostitute really served no benefit to investigating the Biden crime ring. It is just salacious.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: TAPES Lordy, Lordy, there are Tapes
« Reply #79 on: July 25, 2023, 10:26:15 PM »
MTG is trailer trash. Showing pictures of Hunter Biden banging some prostitute really served no benefit to investigating the Biden crime ring. It is just salacious.

You obviously think human trafficking and interstate prostitution are okay in spite of state and federal laws.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw