Hamas attacks Israel (Read 66585 times)

eyeeatingfish

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #380 on: November 22, 2023, 10:25:38 PM »
Swosssshhhhhhh.

Hahahhaha u think israel needs to bend over even more.

Okay Busch Beer.
If that was your takeaway you were clearly swooshed

changemyoil66

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #381 on: November 23, 2023, 07:14:38 AM »
Okay Busch Beer.
If that was your takeaway you were clearly swooshed
Thanks for playing Jean. Keep telling urself that ur right and it will be so.

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ren

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #382 on: November 23, 2023, 12:07:01 PM »
its always about money
aid in Gaza doesn't go to the people...
Deeds Not Words

changemyoil66

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #383 on: November 25, 2023, 07:18:20 PM »
Humus fired rockets 15 mins into the cease fire.

They change the list of hostages to be released.

Yes, israel still needs to bend over to accomidate them.

1 trade is a women who tried to detonate a car bomb. The others are jewish children.


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eyeeatingfish

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #384 on: November 27, 2023, 10:47:15 PM »
Israel already showed this for years.  Which is why they decided to finally go to war. Thanks for playing Jean.

Maybe both of you should read The Art of the Deal. But then again, you need someone to read it to you very slowly.

Turns out there is a Jewish legal tradition, a Halachic, where they believe in doing everything possible to save hostages. 

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/jewish-halachic-perspective-on-rescuing-hostages-from-gaza-a-moral-imperative/
"Ultimately, from a Halachic viewpoint, saving hostages encompasses various commandments and principles, including Pikuach Nefesh, redeeming captives, and the prohibition against standing idly by. These foundations converge to demonstrate the overriding importance of preserving human life, even at the face of immense challenges."

So no, it is not simply that they are ignorant of King Donald's scriptures on bargaining.

changemyoil66

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #385 on: November 28, 2023, 08:20:03 AM »
Funny how the news this morning stated 68 hostages released for Palestinians jailed.  Why did they leave out the other number?

Wat did surprise me is that the children released were in good condition. I was expecting Holocaust/Ethiopian type malnutrition.

changemyoil66

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #386 on: November 28, 2023, 08:57:32 AM »
Turns out there is a Jewish legal tradition, a Halachic, where they believe in doing everything possible to save hostages. 

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/jewish-halachic-perspective-on-rescuing-hostages-from-gaza-a-moral-imperative/
"Ultimately, from a Halachic viewpoint, saving hostages encompasses various commandments and principles, including Pikuach Nefesh, redeeming captives, and the prohibition against standing idly by. These foundations converge to demonstrate the overriding importance of preserving human life, even at the face of immense challenges."

So no, it is not simply that they are ignorant of King Donald's scriptures on bargaining.

Who's King Donald?

zippz

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #387 on: December 04, 2023, 03:47:40 PM »
I knew it was coming down to this as it was mostly old women and very young children that were released so far.    Hamas will never release these women and we'll probably never see them again unless special forces rescue them.

QUIETShooter

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #388 on: December 11, 2023, 11:10:31 AM »
Blinken is warning Israeli officials that military operations must end by December.  This really irks me, as Israel initially stated that they will take however long it takes to eliminate and destroy Hamas.

Evidently the US must be taking flak from all over to intervene because of the "atrocities"  ::) done to the civilians caught in the crossfire.  Never mind that 75% of these civilians celebrated when Hamas butchered and murdered Israelis on Oct. 7th.  Never mind that 75% of these civilians would love to see the State of Israel wiped off the map.  And every one of them dead.

Our administration gets an F from me as far as foreign policy.  Let Israel do what they stated they will do.  Instead of asking them to punt, let them go for the first down and eventually the touchdown.

Leave them alone, and concentrate on the goddam southern border dammit!  FJB.

  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-u-s-warns-of-expectations-for-a-resolution-in-the-gaza-strip/ar-AA1llg22?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=ce4d68653118490daccb084782054aa0&ei=15
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #389 on: December 11, 2023, 11:33:10 AM »
Blinken is warning Israeli officials that military operations must end by December.  This really irks me, as Israel initially stated that they will take however long it takes to eliminate and destroy Hamas.

Evidently the US must be taking flak from all over to intervene because of the "atrocities"  ::) done to the civilians caught in the crossfire.  Never mind that 75% of these civilians celebrated when Hamas butchered and murdered Israelis on Oct. 7th.  Never mind that 75% of these civilians would love to see the State of Israel wiped off the map.  And every one of them dead.

Our administration gets an F from me as far as foreign policy.  Let Israel do what they stated they will do.  Instead of asking them to punt, let them go for the first down and eventually the touchdown.

Leave them alone, and concentrate on the goddam southern border dammit!  FJB.

  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-u-s-warns-of-expectations-for-a-resolution-in-the-gaza-strip/ar-AA1llg22?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=ce4d68653118490daccb084782054aa0&ei=15

1 thing to think about is that even though civilians in Palestine don't like Israel and even call for their destruction, they are still civilians (non-combatants).  So to purposely target a civilian only target would be wrong.  But a building used by Hamas and has civilian collateral damage is another story.  An example would be if US citizens called for the death of A-Quada after 9/11 and that gives AQ the OK to target more US civilians.

I wonder if the civilians there are like the N. Koreans, they don't know any better due to the information that is given to them.  Lisa Ling had a VICE special where she was in N.Korea and a bunch of them were getting cataract surgery. When the bandage was first removed, the first thing 1 of the old guys said was "Thank you supreme leader, I will kill many Americans now". I mean, whoa, where did that come from.

IMO, when it comes to other countries fighting people we don't get along with, if we can send them equipment instead of having to send our men and women over there to fight, then I'm all for it.  But the question is how much $ does one need to send before it's too much, and how does 1 insure the right stuff is being used, as in no shady laundering back into politicians pockets.  We would like to believe that everythign being sent over is for good reason, but in reality, it's not. Greed overpowers the will of men.

QUIETShooter

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #390 on: December 11, 2023, 02:44:07 PM »
Lots of politicians like obama, biden, pelosi, and I'm sure countless others from both sides of the aisle went to congress making $150,000 to $275,000 per year in salary.

Da fackahs making millions now.  How da hell did dey do dat........... ::) ::)

Overtime? :rofl: :rofl:  Yeah, right.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #391 on: December 11, 2023, 03:46:02 PM »
Lots of politicians like obama, biden, pelosi, and I'm sure countless others from both sides of the aisle went to congress making $150,000 to $275,000 per year in salary.

Da fackahs making millions now.  How da hell did dey do dat........... ::) ::)

Overtime? :rofl: :rofl:  Yeah, right.

They tried to get Trump for using his office to further his and his family's businesses.  Yet, the majority of the "old guard" made their multi-millions mostly with insider trading.

Democrat voters still think Hildabeast is a financial genius, making almost $1M the very first time she ever invested in cattle futures as First Lady.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #392 on: December 12, 2023, 08:40:34 AM »
They tried to get Trump for using his office to further his and his family's businesses.  Yet, the majority of the "old guard" made their multi-millions mostly with insider trading.

Democrat voters still think Hildabeast is a financial genius, making almost $1M the very first time she ever invested in cattle futures as First Lady.

Those who can use logic are well aware of this, those with TDS, not so much.

zippz

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #393 on: December 14, 2023, 08:11:16 AM »
Guess he wasn't expecting the wrath of God.

QUIETShooter

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #394 on: December 16, 2023, 05:13:58 AM »
I knew was going happen, and frankly am surprised it took till now for it to happen.

I'm talking about hostages getting killed during the Israeli/Hamas war.

Israel confirms that 3 hostages were killed in the fighting.  Israel reports the hostages were mistaken for enemy fighters.

Horrible and tragic but many who supports Israel and what they are doing expected it.

Any adversary that uses humans as shields are pure evil.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

zippz

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #395 on: December 16, 2023, 01:47:19 PM »
I was not expecting the killing of hostages that way.  They had their shirts off, hands up, and white flag waving.  There's no way of excusing their killing unless they were running at the troops and not following orders to stop.

Makes people wonder if this is a widespread issue that Innocents and surrendering militants are being killed that way.

QUIETShooter

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #396 on: December 16, 2023, 03:58:36 PM »
I was not expecting the killing of hostages that way.  They had their shirts off, hands up, and white flag waving.  There's no way of excusing their killing unless they were running at the troops and not following orders to stop.

Makes people wonder if this is a widespread issue that Innocents and surrendering militants are being killed that way.

This is a horrible turn of events.  I came to the realization that the possibility of the hostages being killed was very high.  I realized this from the very beginning when Israel declared they will do everything in their power to eliminate and destroy Hamas.

However I envisioned the hostages being killed by the terrorists themselves or by the missile and bomb strikes. 

For sure this incident will fan the flames harder for those who seek negotiations to end the conflict.

Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #397 on: December 16, 2023, 04:18:45 PM »
I was not expecting the killing of hostages that way.  They had their shirts off, hands up, and white flag waving.  There's no way of excusing their killing unless they were running at the troops and not following orders to stop.

Makes people wonder if this is a widespread issue that Innocents and surrendering militants are being killed that way.

That is sad but not surprising. Hamas fighters often are dressed in civilian clothing, it is not beyond belief that they mistook the hostages for enemy combatants. If they feared suicide bombers that would make the tensions especially high. Friendly fire is a horrible reality or war.

I hope it wasn't the case that their troops had gone rogue and were intentionally targeting Gaza civilians, that would really make things worse.

QUIETShooter

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #398 on: December 17, 2023, 06:56:51 AM »
I was not expecting the killing of hostages that way.  They had their shirts off, hands up, and white flag waving.  There's no way of excusing their killing unless they were running at the troops and not following orders to stop.

Makes people wonder if this is a widespread issue that Innocents and surrendering militants are being killed that way.




I was doing some arm-chair speculation about IDF suspecting it was a way for Hamas to lure them in a trap.  This You Tube report from Fox seems to hint to this possibility.  There were 2 CNN reports that said IDF combat protocols has been "relaxed" due to lessons learned from previous engagements with Hamas.  I believe Hamas as with other terrorist organizations are fully capable of pulling a stunt like this.  Of course this is just pure speculation on my behalf but I personally find it hard to believe battle hardened and highly trained IDF soldiers would do this unless:


I hope it wasn't the case that their troops had gone rogue and were intentionally targeting Gaza civilians, that would really make things worse.

This is unfortunately possible.  I believe in past wars this has happened and many not reported. 

It's a fact that there was a incident like this at My Lai in Vietnam.  A whole village of innocents were victims of soldiers seeking revenge.  This horrible story was also enhanced by my Father in Law, who had not actively participated in the killings, but was part of a flanking unit protecting the actual unit that went into the village.  During the investigations and trial of Lt. Calley, my Father-in-Law had to fly to the mainland to testify.

My Father-in-Law was a quiet man.  The fact that he wanted to share the My Lai story with me was surprising.  My Mother-in-law told me afterwards that he never talked about it to her or anyone after he came home from Vietnam.  He passed away a short while after.

Yeah.  War is hell.  There are no winners.  Only victims.  Either dead or suffering quietly the nightmares that will never go away.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: Hamas attacks Israel
« Reply #399 on: December 17, 2023, 08:57:21 AM »



I was doing some arm-chair speculation about IDF suspecting it was a way for Hamas to lure them in a trap.  This You Tube report from Fox seems to hint to this possibility.  There were 2 CNN reports that said IDF combat protocols has been "relaxed" due to lessons learned from previous engagements with Hamas.  I believe Hamas as with other terrorist organizations are fully capable of pulling a stunt like this.  Of course this is just pure speculation on my behalf but I personally find it hard to believe battle hardened and highly trained IDF soldiers would do this unless:

This is unfortunately possible.  I believe in past wars this has happened and many not reported. 

It's a fact that there was a incident like this at My Lai in Vietnam.  A whole village of innocents were victims of soldiers seeking revenge.  This horrible story was also enhanced by my Father in Law, who had not actively participated in the killings, but was part of a flanking unit protecting the actual unit that went into the village.  During the investigations and trial of Lt. Calley, my Father-in-Law had to fly to the mainland to testify.

My Father-in-Law was a quiet man.  The fact that he wanted to share the My Lai story with me was surprising.  My Mother-in-law told me afterwards that he never talked about it to her or anyone after he came home from Vietnam.  He passed away a short while after.

Yeah.  War is hell.  There are no winners.  Only victims.  Either dead or suffering quietly the nightmares that will never go away.
To quote The Arrival (film)

There are no winners in war, only widows.

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