What happened to the Vegas I used to know.....smh (Read 113109 times)

changemyoil66

Re: What happened to the Vegas I used to know.....smh
« Reply #460 on: July 18, 2025, 02:32:42 PM »
The parking fees are a double-edged sword.  If the casinos want to shear the sheep more by charging for parking, the amount charged needs to be very small.  otherwise, people will just take a cab or Uber.  Given the cost of rental cars, drunks on the road, chances of getting a DUI yourself, and just the frustration of Vegas traffic at times, parking fees may be the last straw in convincing visitors that passing on the rental car and taking a shuttle/cab/Uber everywhere is a better option.

Fewer drivers means less parking revenue, and that might force them to stop charging for parking again.  Free parking used to be a bonus when deciding which casino to play at.  The big "secret" in Vegas used to be valet parking.  Most casinos never charged for valet, but they did charge for self-parking though some allowed up to 2 hours free parking with validation.  Tipping the valet was less than most paid parking, and you had the convenience of someone bringing your car to you. Once everyone started doing valet, though, it became a hassle having to stand in a long line waiting your turn.

Too bad they didn't build a subway between all the properties.  Although, i have heard their public bus system is super cheap and convenient, but it's mostly locals using it.  Visitors want VIP treatment.

WHen valet began charging, they noticed a huge drop in tips. Which is why some tried to go to places that still allowed free valet. But it was only temporary as majority charge now.  I get it, you lost a few hundred playing and have to pay $40 for valet, what's the incentive to tip too.

Every casino does have free 3 hours for locals. U need your NV drivers license to get in and out. YOu cannot enter by taking a ticket then find a local to scan their ID.  You need to scan the ID to enter and leave.  What does work is when you press the call button and tell the person you have tier status and it's not letting you out. They don't argue and just open the gate. But the drawback is it can take time for the person to answer the call. So now you're holding up traffic. Locals used to do this often until the 3 hour thing. But still do it if they exceed 3 hours.

QUIETShooter

Re: What happened to the Vegas I used to know.....smh
« Reply #461 on: July 20, 2025, 08:55:13 AM »
This video talks about resort fees.  I just thought I'd share it because it's pretty funny.  Especially the "resort fee tax" added on to the "resort fee". :rofl:

And it also mentions that during the winter if the pool is closed for example, tough shiite.  The resort fee does not get reduced. :rofl:

I know I've mentioned this before, but the most hilarious BS about resort fees is the Downtown Boyd properties charging resort fees for their "amenities".  Lol.  Their fricken properties are more like gambling halls than resort properties. 

The Cal has a cement pond with water in it and a closet they call a fitness room with 5 machines and some dumbells.  The Fremont and Main St. has NOTHING.  NOTHING.  Yet they charge resort fees.  So stupid.

Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: What happened to the Vegas I used to know.....smh
« Reply #462 on: July 20, 2025, 09:00:05 AM »
Whats funnier than the pool closed is the "free" domestic calls.

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zippz

Re: What happened to the Vegas I used to know.....smh
« Reply #463 on: July 20, 2025, 10:26:38 AM »
This video talks about resort fees.  I just thought I'd share it because it's pretty funny.  Especially the "resort fee tax" added on to the "resort fee". :rofl:

A few years ago at the Hawaii Capitol, there was a bill to charge the hotel taxes on the resort fees.  The hotel execs came in to testify that resort fees were optional and guests could opt out of them.   :rofl:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: What happened to the Vegas I used to know.....smh
« Reply #464 on: July 20, 2025, 12:07:09 PM »
A few years ago at the Hawaii Capitol, there was a bill to charge the hotel taxes on the resort fees.  The hotel execs came in to testify that resort fees were optional and guests could opt out of them.   :rofl:
Usually you don't know about resort fees if you haven't stayed in Vegas since the fees were added.  So, until you get your bill, there's usually little chance to try and opt-out of them.  After your stay, it's too late to opt-out.

Some places have passed laws now that all taxes, fees and other charges that exist on top of the room charge must be disclosed in writing at check-in.  That gives the guests a chance to opt-out, but since they already made a reservation normally with the first night's charges authorized on a credit card, most won't try to find a cheaper room after arrival.

The fees have ticked off enough people that the FTC felt the need to at least force disclosure.  This was last Dec.
Quote
In a landmark decision that will significantly impact how tourists book
Las Vegas hotels, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) has passed
a final rule banning hotels from hiding mandatory resort fees in their
advertised rates. This change, approved by a 4-1 vote, promises to
bring unprecedented transparency to hotel pricing across Las Vegas
and the entire United States.
https://vegasnavigator.com/ftc-bans-hidden-resort-fees-major-changes-coming-to-vegas-hotel-booking/
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

zippz

Re: What happened to the Vegas I used to know.....smh
« Reply #465 on: July 20, 2025, 08:33:02 PM »
This video talks about resort fees.  I just thought I'd share it because it's pretty funny.  Especially the "resort fee tax" added on to the "resort fee". :rofl:

And it also mentions that during the winter if the pool is closed for example, tough shiite.  The resort fee does not get reduced. :rofl:

I know I've mentioned this before, but the most hilarious BS about resort fees is the Downtown Boyd properties charging resort fees for their "amenities".  Lol.  Their fricken properties are more like gambling halls than resort properties. 

The Cal has a cement pond with water in it and a closet they call a fitness room with 5 machines and some dumbells.  The Fremont and Main St. has NOTHING.  NOTHING.  Yet they charge resort fees.  So stupid.



Don't feel excited on going to Vegas after watching that video.  Diverting to Japan instead where you can get a lot of good deals.

changemyoil66

Re: What happened to the Vegas I used to know.....smh
« Reply #466 on: July 21, 2025, 09:34:47 AM »
Don't feel excited on going to Vegas after watching that video.  Diverting to Japan instead where you can get a lot of good deals.

We go to Vegas to eat, gamble, and enjoy 2A freedom of CCWing.  So whether it's busy or not doesn't matter to us.  But we prefer it slower as it's been since covid began.  The days of walking the strip shoulder to shoulder of people are over. Think Waikiki Halloween is what it was like precovid at any time of the day, even in the 114degree heat.

It being slow actually benefits people like us.  We got comp's during Memorial day weekend.  I did the math and had we had to pay for a room, we would have had to pay about $5K out of pocket.  So Vegas being slow, your lower tier gambler gets better deals.  Compare this to precovid where we wouldn't get comp'd during holidays.  We also went last year during thanksgiving week and the year before Xmas all comp'd.

But keep in mind that there's a diff between a "lower tier gambler" and someone gambles a little.

Lower tier gambler
Plays lowest table min they can find and for hours a day.
Or
Plays slots at $2-4 a spin for hours a day
Gambling budget is often a few thousand.

Someone who gambles a little
Buys in $100 at a table and leaves if they lose it.
Often plays only for 1-2 hours a day
Or
Plays $20 at a time in slots at $0.88 a spin then stops if they lose their $20
Gambling budget is often a few hundred

changemyoil66

Re: What happened to the Vegas I used to know.....smh
« Reply #467 on: July 21, 2025, 10:00:20 AM »


This confirms my post about who Vegas is for now.

Add in if you're paying for a room and resort fee, then you don't gamble enough to be worth getting it comp'd.  Refer to my above about the type of gamblers I mention.

Even when my gambling budget was only $2K, I played enough to get comps at shithole places like Excalibur.  This was when Vegas had $10 tables on the strip and $5 downtown (precovid).

I never understood why people on vacation want cheap and shittty food.  The Vegas social media pages I'm on, people often ask for cheap food.  So they're told to go to McDonalds and get a hamburger that is under $3.  If you cannot afford to eat a regular strip priced meal that's about $15-18, then don't go to Vegas.  I mean, I get if there's no other options, but the strip has tons of food.

QUIETShooter

Re: What happened to the Vegas I used to know.....smh
« Reply #468 on: July 21, 2025, 10:08:52 AM »
Don't feel excited on going to Vegas after watching that video.  Diverting to Japan instead where you can get a lot of good deals.

I'm thinking of Japan also.  Other places of interest are Korea, Okinawa, and Thailand.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: What happened to the Vegas I used to know.....smh
« Reply #469 on: July 21, 2025, 11:40:05 AM »


This confirms my post about who Vegas is for now.

Add in if you're paying for a room and resort fee, then you don't gamble enough to be worth getting it comp'd.  Refer to my above about the type of gamblers I mention.

Even when my gambling budget was only $2K, I played enough to get comps at shithole places like Excalibur.  This was when Vegas had $10 tables on the strip and $5 downtown (precovid).

I never understood why people on vacation want cheap and shittty food.  The Vegas social media pages I'm on, people often ask for cheap food.  So they're told to go to McDonalds and get a hamburger that is under $3.  If you cannot afford to eat a regular strip priced meal that's about $15-18, then don't go to Vegas.  I mean, I get if there's no other options, but the strip has tons of food.

When someone goes to Vegas their first time, they need to expect to spend more for what they get.  However, for those of us with the better player ratings, most of the routine expenses like food, beverages and rooms are comped. 

There are books written on how to be treated like a whale in Vegas without gambling like one.  I'm sure current editions have changed many of their tips and advice, but it all comes down to how much time you spend playing and at what level you are betting.  Even if you walk away ahead, you've accumulated rating points.  Each game has a calculated house advantage, and if you play X number of hours and make an average size bet of Y, they will multiply those numbers with Z -- the house edge.  That result is the expected house winnings over time.  That's converted into rating points which will vary by casino.

Once you've established yourself in their rating system, the key is to buy in for more at the tables than you are willing to lose, bet more than the bare minimum per hand/dice roll, and try to walk away up, even, or only down a tiny bit.  Your goal is to maximize winnings and minimize losses so you aren't having to dig yourself out of a deep hole.  Try to keep playing for as long as the game is keeping you about even after the ups and downs.  The longer you play, the higher the rating.  Manage your money so you  ride the ups longer than the downs.  If I've doubled my buy-in, I play on whatever I have over that.  If my profit keeps rising, I keep adjusting my "stop-loss" amount so I don't give it all back.  If you can walk away even or a little ahead each session, you're a winner -- it doesn't matter how much ahead that is.

i've been able to use my points to pay for all my rooms after my first trip about 30 years ago.  i asked for a player's card in every place I've played, and I always remembered to hand it to the dealer/insert it into the machine every single time i played a game.  if you don't, you're throwing away points.

When you start getting offers from the casinos, they are based on your points and rating level.  if you achieve a higher level, the offers get cheaper and better.  At beginner level, you might only get a room discount offer, but at higher ones, you'll be offered free rooms and more.

It's a good idea to try and play mostly in the place you're staying, but going to another casino isn't going to hurt you as long as you only play a few hours at each.  if i'm staying at The Cal, points accrue at all Boyd's properties, so sticking to that family of casinos really helps build up the point bank.   Most big casinos are owned by just a few companies, and most have consolidated their points programs so gambling at any property owned by the same people will keep adding to your one account.

I can't remember the last time i paid for a meal in Vegas -- not since they closed The Hard Rock, i think.  I really liked The Pink Taco Mexican restaurant.  Very good food at prices that are similar to a mainland Chili's.  i also took my younger girl to Olive Garden.  it's one of the places we ate at often when living in VA, so she wanted to go.

That same trip with my daughter, The Cal put us on their invite list for the New Year's Eve party at Main Street Station.  Full buffet, free drinks, party favors, souvenir champagne glasses, and chances to win door prizes including $500 in gaming chips and a trip to Hawaii.  Hawaii residents could pick an alternate destination (e.g. Vegas?  :geekdanc:).

I don't take the food coupon book at The Cal unless it's part of a package I bought to save my Frequent Flyer miles.  If air fares are cheaper than normal, I'll usually pay that, then use my miles to get a first class upgrade.  You have to check the flights carefully.  Some legs don't offer 1st class, but as long as the Pacific Ocean leg does, I think it's worth the upgrade.  The other legs, i just get the "more leg room" seating.

You really need to practice the games on your computer, phone, or with actual cards and dice.  Put in lots of time so you're comfortable with the rules, the mechanics as well as the types of bets you can make.  Go to The Wizard of Odds website for advice on which bets to avoid and how to use the rules to your advantage.  Memorize the strategy charts/cards especially for BJ.  Most places let you use the cards while playing, so pick up strategy cards for the games you play.  You can print them from online, order nice plastic ones, or wait to buy them in the casino gift shops.

Take enough cash to withstand some down sessions early on.  I set up a line of credit, so I have up to $10K available when i arrive just by signing a marker.  Allows me to have that much available without carrying a lot of cash on the plane or around Vegas.  It also saves on ATM fees which are pretty high in most casinos.  Don't use credit cards for cash advances in a casino.  You'll be paying way more than it's worth.  For markers against your casino credit line, you have about 2 weeks +/- to pay it back after you take the parker out.  You can buy back the markers with winnings before you leave, or just wait until you get home for the bill to arrive.  Once you settle any outstanding markers, your credit line will be available on your next trip.  Very convenient -- play now, pay later!   :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
« Last Edit: July 21, 2025, 11:48:11 AM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: What happened to the Vegas I used to know.....smh
« Reply #470 on: July 21, 2025, 03:20:39 PM »
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=787197800298676&set=a.240352694983192

Las Vegas hotel occupancy dropped nearly 15% in June and another 17% in early July — the steepest decline among the top 25 U.S. tourism markets, according to new data from Smith Travel Research.

13.2% fewer international travelers visited Las Vegas in June compared to last year.

Hotel revenue per room (RevPAR) fell off a cliff, dropping nearly 29% to just just $102.75. Las Vegas hotels are earning significantly less per room than they were a year ago.

QUIETShooter

Re: What happened to the Vegas I used to know.....smh
« Reply #471 on: July 21, 2025, 04:01:39 PM »
One thing I really liked about Vegas is the eateries.  All kinds of cuisine you can imagine in almost every ethnic group imaginable.  And then there is fusion cuisine which makes it all the more better.

I don't really care for high-end eateries.  If I have to go out of my way to dress a certain way to eat there I'd rather go somewhere else.

I do like nice restaurants but not foo-foo restaurants. You know, the Salt Bae type restaurants where he uses gold flakes and if he comes out to put a pinch of salt on your steak it instantly turns your steak into a $1000 dollar steak.

Yeah, let the guy who's trying to get into the pants of his new girlfriend spend that kind of money.  Me and my wife will go to the Prime Rib Loft and eat the same thing for $950 dollars less.

It's all about fun and value.  I don't mind paying fair prices.  I know the days of the $1.99 breakfast and $3.99 buffets are gone.

Just don't rip me off with stupid fees, hidden fees, ridiculous pricing, and the nickel and diming of everything under the sun.

The casinos are already ripping us off with their gaming odds, rules, and minimum bets.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

zippz

Re: What happened to the Vegas I used to know.....smh
« Reply #472 on: July 21, 2025, 10:12:20 PM »
I used to go to Vegas a lot, 2 and sometimes 3 times a year, for vacations or stopovers during work trips.  I went to Front Sight for gun classes on most of my trips, gambled a lot, visited friends, and loved the cheap food and travel.  I
went to Shot Show and CES/COMDEX conferences a few times.

Now Front Sight closed down, I don't gamble much, most of my friends left, and things are expensive so I don't have much of a reason to go there.  I like spending a couple off-peak nights at the cheap resorts, seeing a concert if it interests me, and walking down the strip to see whats new.  But my time is limited nowadays so I'll go to Vegas once every 2 or 3 years.

changemyoil66

Re: What happened to the Vegas I used to know.....smh
« Reply #473 on: July 22, 2025, 08:48:24 AM »
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=787197800298676&set=a.240352694983192

Las Vegas hotel occupancy dropped nearly 15% in June and another 17% in early July — the steepest decline among the top 25 U.S. tourism markets, according to new data from Smith Travel Research.

13.2% fewer international travelers visited Las Vegas in June compared to last year.

Hotel revenue per room (RevPAR) fell off a cliff, dropping nearly 29% to just just $102.75. Las Vegas hotels are earning significantly less per room than they were a year ago.

Their conventions are also down.  So this adds to the occupancy.  Plus the smart hotels are giving more room comps, which means less room revenue.

QUIETShooter

Re: What happened to the Vegas I used to know.....smh
« Reply #474 on: July 22, 2025, 01:58:48 PM »
Mostly Paul and Amy and Danny the Medic Food Vloggers in Vegas:

They explore all over the Vegas Valley, including the hole in the wall places that hardly any visitor (and even locals, lol) would be hesitant to venture into.  A lot of these places has a camera at the entrance and you show your ID and then push a button to enter after the buzzer.

But the food, prices, and surprisingly the atmosphere inside is great!  These places are in sketchy neighborhoods but the people inside are friendly and accommodating.

There still are reasonable places and good food to experience in Vegas but they are far from the tourist destinations.

So if you're the type that rents a car and likes to explore the Valley, Vegas might still be a fun place to visit.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: What happened to the Vegas I used to know.....smh
« Reply #475 on: July 23, 2025, 09:34:35 AM »
I forgot to mention that the occupancy being down also you have to remember that the Mirage and Tropicana have been demolished. So there are like 2,000 rooms missing that would have been available.  So this makes it much worst than it appears.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: What happened to the Vegas I used to know.....smh
« Reply #476 on: July 23, 2025, 10:03:33 AM »
I forgot to mention that the occupancy being down also you have to remember that the Mirage and Tropicana have been demolished. So there are like 2,000 rooms missing that would have been available.  So this makes it much worst than it appears.

I have to imagine much of the gambling side of revenue has been seeing more competition with online casinos, Indian Reservation Casinos, and casinos in other states.  Watching some BJ groups going from casino to casino across the US, staying just long enough to get backed-off as "advantaged players", they spend months at casinos in dozens of states. 

Vegas and Atlantic City are no longer the only gaming meccas.  Been this way for a long time. 

If you go to Caesar's hotels and resorts, they offer properties in:
Las Vegas
Atlantic City, NJ
Reno, NV
Arizona
California
Colorado
Florida
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Louisiana
Maryland
Mississippi
Missouri
Lake Tahoe, NV
Laughlin, NV
Nebraska
North Carolina
Ohio
Pennsylvania
Virginia, and
International

https://www.caesars.com/destinations

This is just one corporation, and it doesn't even tough on the cruise lines that offer gambling onboard and some at ports of call.

So, the Vegas casinos are seeing competition from themselves.  This is why Vegas needs bigger and better shows, events, conventions, etc. -- to attract vacationers and make it worth the trip to the Mojave Desert.  You can only take the dam tour so many damn times!   :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

Re: What happened to the Vegas I used to know.....smh
« Reply #477 on: July 23, 2025, 12:14:44 PM »
I never did take that dam tour.  And honestly don't really give a dam if I ever go to that dam dam.

Maybe next trip I should change my dam mind and go to that dam dam.  It's a way of getting away from that dam craps table.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: What happened to the Vegas I used to know.....smh
« Reply #478 on: July 23, 2025, 01:08:10 PM »
I never did take that dam tour.  And honestly don't really give a dam if I ever go to that dam dam.

Maybe next trip I should change my dam mind and go to that dam dam.  It's a way of getting away from that dam craps table.

It's a very short drive, and there are things to see along the way as well as Lake Mead.

Vegas being in the desert means all those hotel rooms, homes, businesses, golf courses, and so on need a reliable source of water as well as electricity from somewhere.

Construction began in 1931, and the dam began operations in 1936.  Lake Mead is in Boulder City, about 30 miles from Las Vegas.  Boulder City grew out of the construction crew for the dam.  Workers needed places to spend their money on food, lodging, necessities and entertainment.

The dam used to be the primary means of crossing the river, but a bypass was built which opened in 2010.

There are some amazing dam stories about the construction including some of the dam engineering and the dam people who built it.  You can get a taste of some of that from online sources, but nothing beats actually seeing it and hearing all the dam stories.   :thumbsup:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Dam

« Last Edit: July 23, 2025, 04:42:03 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: What happened to the Vegas I used to know.....smh
« Reply #479 on: July 23, 2025, 03:44:02 PM »
It's a very short drive, and there are things to see along the way as well as Lake Mead.

Vegas being in the desert means all those hotel rooms, homes, businesses, golf courses, and so on need a reliable source of water as well as electricity from somewhere.

Construction began in 1931, and the dam began operations in 1936.  Lake Mead is in Boulder City, about 30 miles from Las Vegas.  Boulder City grew out of the construction crew for the dam.  Workers needed places to spend their money on food, lodging, necessities and entertainment.

The dam used to be the primary means of crossing the river, but a bypass was built which opened in 2010.

There are some amazing dam stories about the construction including some of the dam engineering and the dam people who built it.  You can get a taste of some of that from online sources, but nothing beats actually seeing it and nearing all the dam stories.   :thumbsup:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Dam



About a generation ago, the casinos had the foresight to see what happens if the water level ever falls a lot. So they built a 2nd intake pipe well below the original one.  Today that pipe is being used.

I wonder if the casinos would invest in a 3rd pipe or the state would start to work on 1?  Or some other option in case the water falls even lower.  Back then it was all mom n pop owned casinos.  Now they're all hedge funds and corporations, so spending millions to install a pipe wouldn't be their first choice.

But fear not, in general, there is lots of water as the lake is 26 miles across it's furthest point.