It's OK, because there's some process invovled (Read 1654 times)

changemyoil66

It's OK, because there's some process invovled
« on: December 29, 2023, 08:48:24 AM »
https://www.kitv.com/news/business/hawaii-gun-owners-frustrated-over-new-firearm-law/article_81257b00-a5ed-11ee-b649-43d9f41e4bfc.html?fbclid=IwAR0QCv4eS4MrNxYjQrzh0M_sqgj6Og2bPZIU4WKNgyqnzdId3Ae5xV_K0Uc

1 would say this delay doesn't violate the constitution because there is a process involved. Like you are still able to turn in an application.

BugsySpeags

Re: It's OK, because there's some process invovled
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2023, 10:40:01 AM »
My friend just said they approved a couple guys today. We’ll see

macsak

Re: It's OK, because there's some process invovled
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2023, 10:48:18 AM »
My friend just said they approved a couple guys today. We’ll see

some people were approved yesterday too...

macsak

Bud808

Re: It's OK, because there's some process invovled
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2023, 11:15:58 AM »
Maybe it's just me? it seems this story muddies two processes / does not differentiate between PTA and CCW. 

BugsySpeags

Re: It's OK, because there's some process invovled
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2023, 11:20:47 AM »
Maybe it's just me? it seems this story muddies two processes / does not differentiate between PTA and CCW.

That’s news for you; little accuracy, and whatever gets more clicks.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: It's OK, because there's some process invovled
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2023, 11:24:32 AM »
Maybe it's just me? it seems this story muddies two processes / does not differentiate between PTA and CCW.

The only use of CCW, concealed or carry in the article is:

"Many gun owners said this is just another obstacle making it more difficult to
carry guns here. The long lines outside HPD headquarters this week were
filled with people trying to get a permit before the law changes."

If you think about it, anyone wishing to carry and who doesn't already own a firearm they feel is appropriate for them to carry will be unable to get a PTA -- meaning they will be unable to get a carry weapon in order to apply for a license.

Stop the PTA process, and you stop the CC License process for those needing to purchase a carry piece.

That's how i see that comment, anyway.
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: It's OK, because there's some process invovled
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2023, 09:55:15 PM »
https://www.kitv.com/news/business/hawaii-gun-owners-frustrated-over-new-firearm-law/article_81257b00-a5ed-11ee-b649-43d9f41e4bfc.html?fbclid=IwAR0QCv4eS4MrNxYjQrzh0M_sqgj6Og2bPZIU4WKNgyqnzdId3Ae5xV_K0Uc

1 would say this delay doesn't violate the constitution because there is a process involved. Like you are still able to turn in an application.

Who would say that? Someone who doesn't understand the different between constitutionality and due process.

Something can have due process yet be unconstitutional.

changemyoil66

Re: It's OK, because there's some process invovled
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2023, 10:28:58 AM »
Who would say that? Someone who doesn't understand the different between constitutionality and due process.

Something can have due process yet be unconstitutional.
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