tragic. (Read 15073 times)

ren

tragic.
« on: March 10, 2024, 08:17:34 PM »
Sad to read. Amongst the crimes I heard about today this was not committed with a firearm. I think we have bigger problems to worry about and our seasonal legislators are clueless.

https://www.khon2.com/hawaii-crime/homicide-investigation-underway-in-manoa/
« Last Edit: March 10, 2024, 08:39:57 PM by ren »
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oldfart

Re: tragic.
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2024, 08:43:21 PM »
Sad
5 people killed --3 kids. Somebody had to know something. I want to know if drugs were involved. If so, then find the dealers.
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macsak

Re: tragic.
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2024, 09:20:25 PM »
story i am hearing from people in manoa is the husband cheated and wife wanted to leave with the kids
allegedly...

Sad
5 people killed --3 kids. Somebody had to know something. I want to know if drugs were involved. If so, then find the dealers.

eyeeatingfish

Re: tragic.
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2024, 09:51:24 PM »
These are the worst... the rage that must have been in that father to make... or allow him to kill his own flesh and blood like this. Just imagining the terror and betrayal the children must have felt is so heavy

oldfart

Re: tragic.
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2024, 06:09:05 AM »
It takes a really special kind of crazy to stab your own children to death.
It's not a behavior seen in nature with wild animals.
My theory is that if wild animals don't do it, then people shouldn't do it either.

That's why I suspect some kind of drug was involved.
Anti-depressants seem to be common in crazy murders.

Maybe crack or fentanyl too.
I saw a pretty good documentary about fentanyl the other day.
It was done by Lynn Kawano at HNN.
you can watch it for free at this link.
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/news/fentanyl-in-hawaii/
I'm concerned because I find these baggies near my house at the kid's playground by the school.
That's pretty messed up.

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macsak

Re: tragic.
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2024, 06:50:40 AM »
dude, don't touch those with your bare hands!!!

It takes a really special kind of crazy to stab your own children to death.
It's not a behavior seen in nature with wild animals.
My theory is that if wild animals don't do it, then people shouldn't do it either.

That's why I suspect some kind of drug was involved.
Anti-depressants seem to be common in crazy murders.

Maybe crack or fentanyl too.
I saw a pretty good documentary about fentanyl the other day.
It was done by Lynn Kawano at HNN.
you can watch it for free at this link.
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/news/fentanyl-in-hawaii/
I'm concerned because I find these baggies near my house at the kid's playground by the school.
That's pretty messed up.

oldfart

Re: tragic.
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2024, 07:11:21 AM »
dude, don't touch those with your bare hands!!!
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I try not to. Since I'm walking the dawg, I carry poop baggies constantly.
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changemyoil66

Re: tragic.
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2024, 08:05:36 AM »
KHON2 said Paris Oda is the guy. Owner of Oda Ohana Chiropractic.

Rhed

Re: tragic.
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2024, 09:10:38 AM »
fkn! evil asf! Burn in hell you dick! That's what we all been saying for decades, guns, knives, stone, automobile, bare hands, nuke, etc. These don't do didly squat to do killings, it's a evil minded person...

QUIETShooter

Re: tragic.
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2024, 09:26:51 AM »
dude, don't touch those with your bare hands!!!

I was just going to say that also......

Anyway, really tragic what happened.  Now there will be an assault knife bill.

Because.  Stupid.  Politicians.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

ren

Re: tragic.
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2024, 09:42:17 AM »
KHON2 said Paris Oda is the guy. Owner of Oda Ohana Chiropractic.

another chiropractor in Waipahu was killed over relationships in 2022
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: tragic.
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2024, 11:32:49 AM »
It takes a really special kind of crazy to stab your own children to death.
It's not a behavior seen in nature with wild animals.
My theory is that if wild animals don't do it, then people shouldn't do it either.

That's why I suspect some kind of drug was involved.
Anti-depressants seem to be common in crazy murders.

Maybe crack or fentanyl too.
I saw a pretty good documentary about fentanyl the other day.
It was done by Lynn Kawano at HNN.
you can watch it for free at this link.
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/news/fentanyl-in-hawaii/
I'm concerned because I find these baggies near my house at the kid's playground by the school.
That's pretty messed up.

I can't say if this case falls into this category, but there's a group of murderers labeled Family Annihilators

They see themselves as the main member of the family, usually because they are the lone bread winner.  Without them and what they provide, the family could not exist.

Having his wife cheat on him and maybe threaten to take the kids can make him feel like his family no longer exists -- himself being the center of that universe.  His identity as head of the family has been destroyed.

Breakups are the number one reason for familicide by family annihilators.

Once the family annihilator believes his job as head of the family is over, he may jump to the belief that the family would be better off dead than having to continue on without him at the helm.

He may also have killed his spouse in a sudden rage after she told him she wants a divorce.  Killing the children then becomes an at of kindness, sparing them from the pain and suffering of losing both their parents either to murder/suicide or murder and prison.

About half of these men who commit familicide also commit suicide, giving even more weight to the belief that the family would be better off dead than living without him.  If he's planning to kill himself, he's doing the rest a favor by shielding them from the "horror" of living life without him.

In the case of breakups, he may feel betrayed and disrespected, and as head of the family, he has the right to punish them for breaking the family up.  In his mind, the spouse is always to blame for the breakup -- never the annihilator.

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According to Dr. Campbell's research, these killers tend to be non-Hispanic
white males, have access to a gun, a stepchild at home, or are dealing with
estrangement. Ironically, past criminal history isn't a consistent indicator as
they don't usually have a criminal record.

They were a normal family.

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A study looking at British murder cases found the most common reason men kill
their families was because of family breakups. These killers, researchers say,
often hold their partner accountable for the family's outcome. There could be a divorce
on the horizon or their kids were taken from them.

Inside the Mind of 'Family Annihilators'

https://www.parents.com/parenting/dynamics/inside-the-mind-of-family-annihilators/
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

mrgaf

Re: tragic.
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2024, 04:52:59 PM »
These are the worst... the rage that must have been in that father to make... or allow him to kill his own flesh and blood like this. Just imagining the terror and betrayal the children must have felt is so heavy

Have to remember this is a blue state, nothing like that ever happens here. Everybody is happy and full of aloha! :wave:
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

hvybarrels

Re: tragic.
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2024, 05:07:31 PM »
I wonder if he was on SSRIs

One of the side effects is homicidal ideation, as we have seen from the majority of mass shooters

Or, you know, at least the mass shooters that the media cares about
How much fire can a ceasefire cease if a ceasefire never ceased fire?

QUIETShooter

Re: tragic.
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2024, 05:49:58 PM »
Why kill the children.  Innocent children.  Cannot wrap my head around this. 

Must be drugs.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: tragic.
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2024, 05:53:37 PM »
Why kill the children.  Innocent children.  Cannot wrap my head around this. 

Must be drugs.

Psychological problems are just as likely, triggered by the affair and threat to take the kids with her (allegedly).

If that was the trigger, it shows there were already problems brewing.  This home was not an aloha paradise up until that evening.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: tragic.
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2024, 06:48:02 PM »
Super cute fam. So sad.

People are going nuts in record numbers lately. Watch your 6

How much fire can a ceasefire cease if a ceasefire never ceased fire?

macsak

Re: tragic.
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2024, 07:05:16 PM »
now i'm hearing she cheated on him
who knows...

groveler

Re: tragic.
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2024, 07:07:36 PM »
Super cute fam. So sad.

People are going nuts in record numbers lately. Watch your 6


This not a new phenomenon.  We just have more information
about it today.
Looking at the age of the kids and the culture,  I can see part of the problem.
I knew where guns were in my house and how to use them.
I had one under my bed.  We lived in a bad neighborhood.
I would have shot my father had I had the chance,  were he to do
anything close to what that man started to do and did.
Not blaming the victims in any way shape or form!
But in my America it is dangerous for animals like him to operate.
In Hawaii it is way too simple.
 :(


hvybarrels

Re: tragic.
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2024, 07:57:39 PM »
This not a new phenomenon.  We just have more information
about it today.

20 years ago Kapiolani Blvd didn’t look like an outdoor insane asylum. There weren’t two acid attacks in as many months. The number of traffic fatalities was far lower along with the suicide rate for kids. Something is driving people insane in record numbers.
How much fire can a ceasefire cease if a ceasefire never ceased fire?