Civil Beat: Tax Guns More (Read 2971 times)

hvybarrels

Civil Beat: Tax Guns More
« on: May 27, 2024, 01:50:06 AM »
Stop blaming lazy people. We didn’t do anything.

Begle1

Re: Civil Beat: Tax Guns More
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2024, 08:11:59 AM »
Most crime is committed by the poors, so what is to lose from denying them gun ownership?
Why not simply tie gun licensing background checks to adjusted gross income or credit score?

The only real question is, how much money should somebody need to have before they are given the right to defend themselves with a firearm?

ren

Re: Civil Beat: Tax Guns More
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2024, 08:41:29 AM »
Author: Topher L. McDougal is a Professor of Economic Development and Peacebuilding at the University of San Diego

An elitist academic puke. The only place they can survive is in a school where there are no real world consequences. If this professor was so smart at what he does he wouldn't be in a school.
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zippz

Re: Civil Beat: Tax Guns More
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2024, 09:49:00 AM »
This will be interesting in many ways.  Guns weren't taxed in the colonial era and poll taxes to vote in elections were deemed unconstitutional.

However this may affect the 11% federal firearms tax that goes into he Pittman Robertson fund.  This fund promotes firearms and hunting and helps build/renovate our ranges and hunting opportunities here

ren

Re: Civil Beat: Tax Guns More
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2024, 10:16:02 AM »
This will be interesting in many ways.  Guns weren't taxed in the colonial era and poll taxes to vote in elections were deemed unconstitutional.

However this may affect the 11% federal firearms tax that goes into he Pittman Robertson fund.  This fund promotes firearms and hunting and helps build/renovate our ranges and hunting opportunities here

that tax does nothing for Kokohead. Why do people keep giving govt money to promote / help things. Govt is the worst project manager.
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groveler

Re: Civil Beat: Tax Guns More
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2024, 10:30:56 AM »
Civil beat has banned me 4 times.
Any anti-liberal comment is not allowed.
At ALL!  :grrr:
I don't bother with such intolerance any more.
 :wave:

zippz

Re: Civil Beat: Tax Guns More
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2024, 11:01:47 AM »
that tax does nothing for Kokohead. Why do people keep giving govt money to promote / help things. Govt is the worst project manager.

It keeps the range open.  Counties and the State aren't going to use their own money to build and renovate ranges.

I agree, the better way would be to privatize it and charge fee is so only those that use it pay the fees

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Civil Beat: Tax Guns More
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2024, 11:15:55 AM »
Gun Violence Prevention Excise Taxes
and the Second Amendment


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The court held that the $1,000 tax was an unconstitutional restriction on the right to bear arms.
The court noted that the excise tax was roughly 670% of the purchase price, far from a de minimis
intrusion on the Second Amendment right to bear arms.

In order to pass constitutional muster, an optimal gun violence prevention excise tax should take
effect upon a gun owner’s third gun purchase. In Heller, the Supreme Court found that the Second
Amendment provides the “undoubted constitutional right to keep arms (plural) in [the] home for
self-defense.” The term “plural” is plainly defined as more than one. This gun violence prevention
tax scheme strictly satisfies the textual demands of the Second Amendment as espoused in Heller,
as a gun owner’s first two guns are free from tax. Only after the purchase of a third gun would the
tax take effect, increasing incrementally with each gun purchase thereafter. This would ensure that
the tax rate is always closely tied to the number of guns purchased, so the tax would never be
considered prohibitive or exclusionary.
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/salpal/our-work/student-writing/gun-violence-prevention-excise-taxes-and-the-second-amendment/
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Civil Beat: Tax Guns More
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2024, 12:00:27 PM »
more people are killed in traffic accidents - why don't we levy a tax on drivers
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Begle1

Re: Civil Beat: Tax Guns More
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2024, 02:15:43 PM »
more people are killed in traffic accidents - why don't we levy a tax on drivers

Do vehicle registration fees not count?

ren

Re: Civil Beat: Tax Guns More
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2024, 02:41:08 PM »
Do vehicle registration fees not count?
No.

What Alcohol, Tobacco And Firearms Have In Common

That agency, part of the Justice Department, is tasked with making American communities safer. The ATF focuses on those products because, while legal, they can cause significant harm to society — in the form of drunken driving, for example, or cancer-causing addictions. They also have a common history: All have been associated with criminal organizations seeking to profit from illicit markets.

Alcohol and tobacco products are thus usually subject to state excise taxes. This policy is known as a “Pigouvian tax,” named after 20th century British economist Arthur Pigou. By making a given product more expensive, such a tax leads people to buy less of it, reducing the harm to society while generating tax revenue that the state can theoretically use to offset those harms that still accrue.

California, for instance, imposes a $2.87 excise tax on each pack of cigarettes. That tax is higher than the national average but much lower than New York’s $5.35 levy. California also imposed a vaping excise tax of 12.5% in 2021.
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mrgaf

Re: Civil Beat: Tax Guns More
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2024, 05:46:22 PM »
that tax does nothing for Kokohead. Why do people keep giving govt money to promote / help things. Govt is the worst project manager.

Try reading Pitman/ Robertson before condemning it. There protections built into thct. Scumbag Clintons tried and got it brok off n their asses.  8)
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

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ren

Re: Civil Beat: Tax Guns More
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2024, 06:42:53 PM »
we have enough taxes in Hawaii. put money back into peoples hands and empower them

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changemyoil66

Re: Civil Beat: Tax Guns More
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2024, 08:44:44 AM »
Do vehicle registration fees not count?

When people buy a car, majority use the road. So this tax/fee's go to maintain said roads. It's based on the weight of the vehicle as 1 factor.

A standard 4.7% sales tax is fine as everything is taxed by this.  But to add an additional tax to a firearm or ammo is bad.  By just reading a headline of a bill or what ever, 1 might assume the tax is like a few %. But as Flapp posted, the anti gunners will go well beyond this (670%).  Also, not everyone uses the public range who buys guns or ammo often. The roads are generally open 24/7; the range isn't. So there's also the limitation of use of said range.

And as Zipps posted, if tax's are used to fund KHSC, and an additional taxed is used, that place better be state of the art. Not the shithole that it is currently. They also better be more lax on the rules at the bench side.

But in the end, this is nothing more than to penalize legal gun owners and 1 more step to infringing on peoples rights.

RSN172

Re: Civil Beat: Tax Guns More
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2024, 04:54:34 AM »
more people are killed in traffic accidents - why don't we levy a tax on drivers

I agree, but only after you kill 3 or more.  The first two are tax free.
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