These Trump supporters say US isn’t a democracy. And they’re okay with it (Read 13622 times)

macsak

please show me where in any of these videos or anywhere on this forum said that they want the United States to be more like Russia...

I agree it is a nothing burger.

We are not a democracy we are a republic?

What is a republic?

A republic is a type of democracy.

What type of democracy?

A representative democracy.

What is a representative democracy?

A republic.

What does the GOP want?

A king.

Why do people trash democracy?

Because they want Trump to be king and for the United States to be more like Russia.




What

Flapp_Jackson

I agree it is a nothing burger.

We are not a democracy we are a republic?

What is a republic?

A republic is a type of democracy.

What type of democracy?

A representative democracy.

What is a representative democracy?

A republic.

What does the GOP want?

A king.

Why do people trash democracy?

Because they want Trump to be king and for the United States to be more like Russia.




What

That's ludicrous.   it's the left pushing us into Socialism.

Get a grip on reality and hold on tight.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

please show me where in any of these videos or anywhere on this forum said that they want trump to be king...
please show me where in any of these videos or anywhere on this forum said that they want the United States to be more like Russia...
still waiting...

It's the right pushing us to fascism. Just like the right wing sympathized with Nazis in favor of fascism against communism and Jewish people, today we have the right sympathizing with Russia, claiming to be fighting against socialism and non-white immigration while calling themselves patriots. The supporters of Hitler in the United States also claimed to be patriots as they plotted to overturn the government and establish Nazi government in the U.S.  Trump supporters are following the same plan.

changemyoil66



What does the GOP want?

A king.

Why do people trash democracy?

Because they want Trump to be king and for the United States to be more like Russia.




What

I don't think you know what a king is.

I don't think you know what Russia is like.

Once again, you're imagining things that aren't there.

changemyoil66

It's the right pushing us to fascism. Just like the right wing sympathized with Nazis in favor of fascism against communism and Jewish people, today we have the right sympathizing with Russia, claiming to be fighting against socialism and non-white immigration while calling themselves patriots. The supporters of Hitler in the United States also claimed to be patriots as they plotted to overturn the government and establish Nazi government in the U.S.  Trump supporters are following the same plan.

What many history books leave out is before the registration and rounding up of of jews, came a gun confiscation.  Which party tries year after year to disarm law abiding Americans?

changemyoil66

Trump has communicated this through his words and actions and since you support him above all others and without any criticism you must agree. Search the forums and you will find people posting things like "Trump Forever!" and more.

So Trump is born of some kind of royal blood? I think it is you who should search online what's a king.

changemyoil66

More than that. Some think that Trump is their savior sent by God to protect them from the evil U.S. Government. They believe he is being persecuted like Jesus and he is sacrificing himself so the government doesn't come after them. Have you listened to a Trump speech?

So now you're saying some think he's a savior sent by god?  Which is it, king or savior?  BRB, President, General, Supreme Ruler Ala-Deen is arriving for comment.

Have YOU listened to Trumps speech, then thought with logic what's being done to him?

Flapp_Jackson

It's the right pushing us to fascism. Just like the right wing sympathized with Nazis in favor of fascism against communism and Jewish people, today we have the right sympathizing with Russia, claiming to be fighting against socialism and non-white immigration while calling themselves patriots. The supporters of Hitler in the United States also claimed to be patriots as they plotted to overturn the government and establish Nazi government in the U.S.  Trump supporters are following the same plan.

I didn't realize I was standing in the FICTION section.

Makes sense now.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

please show me where propaganda that was verified as coming direct from the GRU was posted here
and with proof of verification, not just "shows all the hallmarks of a russian disinformation campaign" like the 51 intelligence officers said about hunter's laptop...

Trump has communicated this through his words and actions and since you support him above all others and without any criticism you must agree. Search the forums and you will find people posting things like "Trump Forever!" and more.  Propaganda is repeated here that has been verified as coming direct from the GRU and you accept it as fact when it is obviously a disinformation campaign. Many people here trust the Russian GRU above the U.S. intelligence services.

macsak

hvybarrels

If you don't believe that Russia is targeting Republicans in a disinformation campaign especially related to Ukraine then you are more naive than I suspected.

Where did you hear that? Did Hillary pay for another Steele dossier?
Stop blaming lazy people. We didn’t do anything.

macsak

so that makes twice today in this thread you posted something as fact that you cannot back up
got it...

If you don't believe that Russia is targeting Republicans in a disinformation campaign especially related to Ukraine then you are more naive than I suspected.

Flapp_Jackson

If you don't believe that Russia is targeting Republicans in a disinformation campaign especially related to Ukraine then you are more naive than I suspected.

That's not evidence.  That's a stupid backhanded insult.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Why should I back up something that is common knowledge. You fail to support any of your responses. You apparently have the same attitude toward the U.S. Constitution that you selectively choose the parts you want to follow. You support a criminal that has repeatedly violated the U.S. Constitution in the past to be your future leader.

Just because something is "common knowledge" doesn't mean it can't be backed up with supporting sources and evidence.

How prolific a fact is has no bearing on its validity.  For example, it was once common knowledge that the Earth is flat.  Didn't make it more true simply because more people believed it.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Q

It's the right pushing us to fascism. Just like the right wing sympathized with Nazis in favor of fascism against communism and Jewish people, today we have the right sympathizing with Russia, claiming to be fighting against socialism and non-white immigration while calling themselves patriots. The supporters of Hitler in the United States also claimed to be patriots as they plotted to overturn the government and establish Nazi government in the U.S.  Trump supporters are following the same plan.

Define/explain what fascism is without googling a definition or throwing out popular talking points based on policies of Hitler/Nazi Germany.

Based on my experience, people who refer correlate Trump to fascism have no idea what fascism really is or looks like.

macsak

so you have nothing, and then double down with assumptions and what you think are insults
got it...

Why should I back up something that is common knowledge. You fail to support any of your responses. You apparently have the same attitude toward the U.S. Constitution that you selectively choose the parts you want to follow. You support a criminal that has repeatedly violated the U.S. Constitution in the past to be your future leader.

changemyoil66

Why should I back up something that is common knowledge. You fail to support any of your responses. You apparently have the same attitude toward the U.S. Constitution that you selectively choose the parts you want to follow. You support a criminal that has repeatedly violated the U.S. Constitution in the past to be your future leader.

"common knowledge" is male vs female.  But yet here we are that people don't know what that is.  So science has to prove XX/XY and yet they won't believe there's a difference.

Which parts of the constitution does one choose to follow?  Which part of the constitution was violated by a future leader?  I mean I can show you how many DNC violate the 2A, but yet you aren't complaining those leaders are all still in office federally and state level.

eyeeatingfish

A democracy is a government governed by unlimited majority rule, aka mob rule. Officials are elected by the people and laws are created solely by those in power and without limits.

A Republic is a form of democracy that is limited in the types of laws that can be created by some sort of charter, most commonly a constitution, that protects the rights of the citizenry from infringement by both the government and mob rule.

The U.S. is a Constitutional republic that maintains democratic tendencies with regards to elections and the influence of some laws. The U.S. is not a democracy.

Isn't it ironic, then, that the greatest antagonists to our rights are the same ones who refer to our form of government as a democracy and never mention Republic or constitutional Republic? Wonder why that is.

A republic is a form of democracy therefore it is a democracy. Being a subset of democracy doesn't mean we are no longer a democracy.

Yes, in extreme forms a democracy could create mob rule, but that is not inherent.

macsak

please show me where anyone claims to be against democracy?

Right wing fascism has been alive in the US for a long time. You want a definition of fascism but you don't believe the dictionary? You promote authoritarianism. You claim to be against democracy. What would that look like? America First?


macsak

please show me where anyone refused to state they support our democracy or the concept of any democracy in general

They refuse to state that they support our democracy or the concept of any democracy in general. Yet they claim to be patriots.