Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally (Read 35269 times)

Kuleana

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #120 on: July 19, 2024, 02:06:58 PM »
It's because the power okele tried to assassinate trump.  Not give him a warning.  They've tried and failed in other ways to get him off the ballot.  This was only the next logical evolution to their attempts.  Read my initial posting.  Trump was very lucky.
I never said I disagreed with your premise that Trump may have been lucky and good for him; however, I can't discount the alternative view I offered since the Power Okole usually never fails in its assassination missions like in the case of Osama Bin Laden or Qasem Soleimani.  The US empire has access to the best assassins in the World and it's hard to believe they would fail unless it was meant to be a warning/failure or perhaps even a stand down order given at the last minute.

Hopefully more info comes out.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #121 on: July 19, 2024, 02:17:22 PM »
Why are you so quick to discredit anything that questions the official narrative regarding the Trump shooting?

Since I know you don't believe in the Deep State, Power Okole, etc., it's very flattering to see how much effort you put in your responses to my posts on this topic especially when you don't think the Trump shooting was an inside job.   :shaka:

2 more things:

1.  If you really did appreciate the effort I put into looking at the positions of the water tower, the shooter's rooftop location and Trump's location on stage, you would have at least complimented the graphic -- if not criticized it in some way.  Ignoring it is just rude.

2.  Show me where I said I "don't think the Trump shooting was an inside job."  I explained already that it being an inside job is not the same as being a conspiracy with two shooters, an intentional miss/warning shot and some power okole setting it up.  Inside means just that -- Secret Service, law enforcement, Trump campaign members, etc.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #122 on: July 19, 2024, 02:59:57 PM »
I never said I disagreed with your premise that Trump may have been lucky and good for him; however, I can't discount the alternative view I offered since the Power Okole usually never fails in its assassination missions like in the case of Osama Bin Laden or Qasem Soleimani.  The US empire has access to the best assassins in the World and it's hard to believe they would fail unless it was meant to be a warning/failure or perhaps even a stand down order given at the last minute.

Hopefully more info comes out.

The problem is that the "best assassins" don't get caught.  A high profile like Trump, they cannot just say "well, we can't find the shooter. Lets call it a day".  So we circle back to all my statements I made about it not being a warning shot due to the proximity.  A best assassin wouldn't get an ear shot. And if it was a mistake, then they're not very good.

I'm just pointing the flaw in the theory of a warning shot or intentional graze.  Other media outlets are also saying the ear shot was intentional.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #123 on: July 19, 2024, 03:30:00 PM »
The problem is that the "best assassins" don't get caught.  A high profile like Trump, they cannot just say "well, we can't find the shooter. Lets call it a day".  So we circle back to all my statements I made about it not being a warning shot due to the proximity.  A best assassin wouldn't get an ear shot. And if it was a mistake, then they're not very good.

I'm just pointing the flaw in the theory of a warning shot or intentional graze.  Other media outlets are also saying the ear shot was intentional.

Those other media outlets are just regurgitating the Left-wingnut conspiracy theories.

For the last 2 decades, journalism has become nothing but a click-generating revenue model.  If it gets clicks, they'll print it.  Doesn't matter nothing they say is vetted or verified.  As long as they can point to a phrase they included like, "according to this guy on X" or "A source who wishes to remain anonymous," they can print all the lies they want as many times as they want.

I refer you to the Russia-Collusion Hoax as an example.

If you'd like a more recent example:

Headline from CNN:
Trump falls to ground during rally in Pennsylvania
Quote
Former US President Donald Trump stumbled at a rally in
Pennsylvania following loud bangs, according to CNN.

Secret Service agents escorted former President Donald Trump
off stage after he fell to the ground at a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.

Before his fall, there was a loud noise. Agents helped him to his feet,
and there was blood on his face.

As he walked off stage, he raised his fist and shouted in response to
the crowd. He was then placed into a vehicle and evacuated from the
scene.

According to unconfirmed information from other sources, there was an
attempt on Donald Trump. It is reported that a bullet passed a few
centimeters from his head and grazed his ear. After the incident, the rally
broadcast was halted.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-falls-to-ground-during-rally-in-pennsylvania-cnn/ar-BB1pWxa1

The CNN story was technically accurate, but in no way did it tell the truth.  It's not like the news it was an assassination attempt took hours to ascertain.   :crazy:

There's a reason why in court you swear to tell THE WHOLE TRUTH.  Because half truths are still lies.
« Last Edit: July 19, 2024, 03:36:36 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

rpoL98

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #124 on: July 19, 2024, 05:22:06 PM »
here's a few more from the Babylon Bee:







Flapp_Jackson

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #125 on: July 19, 2024, 06:22:30 PM »
Kuleana is in good company ...

One in Three Biden Supporters Think
Trump Shooting Might Have Been Staged

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A new poll has laid bare how many voters believe the conspiracy theories swirling
around the attempted assignation of Donald Trump over the weekend.

One third of those who support Trump's Democratic presidential rival Joe Biden said
they believe the attack may have been staged and had never been intended to kill
the former president. That equates to a little over 33 percent. And even some of Trump's
own supporters believe the same thing, with around 12 percent suspecting the event
was planned, according to the poll conducted by Morning Consult, an American business
intelligence company.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/one-in-three-biden-supporters-think-trump-shooting-might-have-been-staged/ar-BB1q50Co
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #126 on: July 19, 2024, 06:26:08 PM »
I found an obscure article that said Oswald fired 2 warning shots at President Kennedy.

I guess he wasn't as good a shot as we've been lead to believe.

 :popcorn:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #127 on: July 19, 2024, 07:05:00 PM »
What is the definition of a warning shot? Can't find it in any SOP or FM.
Deeds Not Words

macsak

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #128 on: July 19, 2024, 07:49:37 PM »
"i truly believe" to "i never said i disagreed" and "can't discount the alternative view i offered"
goalposts moved...

I never said I disagreed with your premise that Trump may have been lucky and good for him; however, I can't discount the alternative view I offered since the Power Okole usually never fails in its assassination missions like in the case of Osama Bin Laden or Qasem Soleimani.  The US empire has access to the best assassins in the World and it's hard to believe they would fail unless it was meant to be a warning/failure or perhaps even a stand down order given at the last minute.

Hopefully more info comes out.
« Last Edit: July 19, 2024, 09:07:27 PM by macsak »

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #129 on: July 19, 2024, 08:51:35 PM »
What is the definition of a warning shot? Can't find it in any SOP or FM.

Through deductive reasoning, I infer that a warning shot is defined as:

one or more shots fired in the direction of, and in very close proximity to, an individual
in order to persuade, convince or otherwise coerce the individual into acting in a manner other
than that in which the individual has been acting.


What's crazy about that inference (besides the obvious "missing on purpose" thing) is there's nothing the shooter left behind
to explain why he shot at Trump.  Maybe he did and it's not been discovered and/or reported on yet.  Or maybe he mailed
his explanation to the Trump campaign or the FBI -- just waiting on the mail to be delivered.

Do we just assume the warning given was to drop out of the race?  How would we know?  It's an assumption that the
shot was intentionally missed, and therefore so is the meaning behind the warning.


In any event, for all we know, that shot was taken by a mentally unstable loner who was radicalized and brainwashed by the
Left in this country, including the Trump-hating media.  When the news came out that Trump won his immunity case and that
the classified documents case was dismissed on Constitutional grounds, he took it upon himself to be a hero and "save" the
country from this person who's been vilified as Hitler, a dictator, a rapist, a racist, a misogynist, a threat to our democracy and
an existential threat to the nation.

We do know this person supported Democrat candidates with donations, and that he switched his party affiliation in all probablility
in order to try and rig the Republican Primary against Trump.


I think the latter explanation basically puts any warning shot theories to rest.  Nobody with an ounce of sense would give Trump
a chance to go into an election as the victim of an attempted assassination.  And the chances they will make good on their first
"warning" are much worse now that the security lapse have been identified.  They'll be much more ready if there is another
incident like this.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #130 on: July 20, 2024, 08:58:17 AM »
Remember this?



They had this plot started way back then....sick
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Heavies

Heavies

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #133 on: July 20, 2024, 10:01:59 AM »
Remember this?



They had this plot started way back then....sick

It does look a little familiar.


https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=54037.msg484992#msg484992
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Heavies

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #134 on: July 20, 2024, 10:06:51 AM »
Shooter on the water tower doesn’t hold water.  A 5.56 at that range would not make sense.  Too far for a decisive head shot. Need a better round for that distance. 

Initial reports show the roof top shooter on the corner of the building, yet his body was much further to the middle. The blood trail shows that’s exactly where he was terminated.  The open window is in line with the shots.  Unsecured open 2nd floor window, approximately the same ~150 yard distance.  Easily make able shot with a quality 5.56 and optic. 

Kuleana

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #135 on: July 20, 2024, 11:03:51 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/live/fp4KvbRlD0Q?si=JYc1H2DHvqwo3T3H
The assessment offered particularly regarding the geopolitical motives and the people that would have taken Trump's place as the Republican candidate make logical sense for the continuation of the proxy war with Russia and opening hostilities with Iran and China.

With the geopolitical stakes this high, Trump's survival is almost impossible to believe.  Hence, whether it was a botched assassination attempt, a last-minute stand-down order, preplanned failed attempt, or sheer luck, it is almost a guarantee that the Power Okole has a Plan B that they will implement.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #136 on: July 20, 2024, 12:51:42 PM »
The assessment offered particularly regarding the geopolitical motives and the people that would have taken Trump's place as the Republican candidate make logical sense for the continuation of the proxy war with Russia and opening hostilities with Iran and China.

With the geopolitical stakes this high, Trump's survival is almost impossible to believe.  Hence, whether it was a botched assassination attempt, a last-minute stand-down order, preplanned failed attempt, or sheer luck, it is almost a guarantee that the Power Okole has a Plan B that they will implement.

Can you put a number on what "almost guarantee" entails?  An unqualified guarantee is 100%. 

is that the same as "highly likely" (no relative value), or closer to "more likely than not" (better than 50%)?

Sounds like you might be 99.99999% sure of your assertion, but you are hedging your bets by leaving wiggle room for being totally off base.

Just want to know if Trump should be interviewing doubles to act as decoys.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #137 on: July 20, 2024, 01:12:05 PM »
you got all the bases covered
that reduces the movement of the goalposts...

The assessment offered particularly regarding the geopolitical motives and the people that would have taken Trump's place as the Republican candidate make logical sense for the continuation of the proxy war with Russia and opening hostilities with Iran and China.

With the geopolitical stakes this high, Trump's survival is almost impossible to believe.  Hence, whether it was a botched assassination attempt, a last-minute stand-down order, preplanned failed attempt, or sheer luck, it is almost a guarantee that the Power Okole has a Plan B that they will implement.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #138 on: July 20, 2024, 01:15:20 PM »
you got all the bases covered
that reduces the movement of the goalposts...

I'm just trying to find out if he truly believes it's an almost guarantee that there's a Plan B.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #139 on: July 20, 2024, 01:32:11 PM »
Shooter on the water tower doesn’t hold water.  A 5.56 at that range would not make sense.  Too far for a decisive head shot. Need a better round for that distance. 

Initial reports show the roof top shooter on the corner of the building, yet his body was much further to the middle. The blood trail shows that’s exactly where he was terminated.  The open window is in line with the shots.  Unsecured open 2nd floor window, approximately the same ~150 yard distance.  Easily make able shot with a quality 5.56 and optic.

I have a very difficult time with any theory that involves more than one shooter.

You assign more than one so you have twice the probability that at least one round finds its target.  One shooter (the patsy) is visible while the other is secluded. 

If there was another shooter, Trump would be attending his funeral instead of a convention.

This is just my opinion, but I truly, truly believe it.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw