Hillary Clinton says it's a 'double standard' to ask Harris about her policies (Read 2810 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Until your neighbor starts burning tires in his back yard and the smoke blows towards your house or thousands of other situations where we temper our freedoms to do certain things out of recognizing the benefits of a smoother flowing society.

You totally missed the point.

Please point to the part of the Constitution where it protects the right to burn tires or anything else that causes a nuisance, fire risk or health hazard to others.

Same for the "thousands of other situations".  Point to where the "rights" of  individuals are being subjugated to society at large.

So, your hypothetical falls flat on its face.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

You totally missed the point.

Please point to the part of the Constitution where it protects the right to burn tires or anything else that causes a nuisance, fire risk or health hazard to others.

Same for the "thousands of other situations".  Point to where the "rights" of  individuals are being subjugated to society at large.

So, your hypothetical falls flat on its face.

Neither the meme, nor Quiet, nor I said anything about the constitution. Throughout your day you likely take various actions because you recognize it is better for society if you refrain from doing.

Flapp_Jackson

If Hillary meant that all personal freedoms must be subjugated to what is good for society then severe criticism is warranted but that is not what she said and I don't think that is what she meant either.

I did try to find the quote in its full context but could not find any source for it. The quote might not even be accurate and the meme just made to feed people with Hillary hate.

In short, you gave an opinion saying she didn't mean what was quoted, you aren't sure she even said it, and if she said it may not be accurate?

Thanks for your significant contribution to this topic. 

How long have you been a Hillary defender?

Whether or not there's a video of her mouthing this sentence or a letter with her signature containing it, the quote has been propagated for decades.  You'd think she would have publicly declined attribution of the quote to herself if she didn't at least feel this way.  We all know she does.

https://www.azquotes.com/quote/58378

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Neither the meme, nor Quiet, nor I said anything about the constitution. Throughout your day you likely take various actions because you recognize it is better for society if you refrain from doing.

Dodged the question again.

Show where any rights are being violated by the thousands of laws you mentioned, including burning tires.

What I do in any given day, and why I choose to do it, is my choice.  i don't need a law to know where my rights end and the safety and enjoyment of others begin.

Try again, and don't be so argumentative.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

In short, you gave an opinion saying she didn't mean what was quoted, you aren't sure she even said it, and if she said it may not be accurate?

Thanks for your significant contribution to this topic. 

How long have you been a Hillary defender?

Whether or not there's a video of her mouthing this sentence or a letter with her signature containing it, the quote has been propagated for decades.  You'd think she would have publicly declined attribution of the quote to herself if she didn't at least feel this way.  We all know she does.

https://www.azquotes.com/quote/58378




Congratulations, you proved a meme by posting another meme, its definitely accurate now.  :crazy:

Never been a Hillary defender, great non-sequitur.

I didn't say she didn't mean what she said, I said I don't think she meant what you think she meant from that statement. You apparently interpreted it as some big hand of government taking away all individual freedoms. I don't think that is a reasonable interpretation. Do you think JFK was like Hitler too when he said "Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country,"?  (The statement inherently emphasizes thinking about society over self.)

eyeeatingfish

Dodged the question again.

Show where any rights are being violated by the thousands of laws you mentioned, including burning tires.

What I do in any given day, and why I choose to do it, is my choice.  i don't need a law to know where my rights end and the safety and enjoyment of others begin.

Try again, and don't be so argumentative.

What's the point in answering your fallacious question?

No one said anything about laws.

QUIETShooter


Congratulations, you proved a meme by posting another meme, its definitely accurate now.  :crazy:

Never been a Hillary defender, great non-sequitur.

I didn't say she didn't mean what she said, I said I don't think she meant what you think she meant from that statement. You apparently interpreted it as some big hand of government taking away all individual freedoms. I don't think that is a reasonable interpretation. Do you think JFK was like Hitler too when he said "Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country,"?  (The statement inherently emphasizes thinking about society over self.)

I also was thinking about this statement made by President Kennedy.  However, even though I can be proven wrong, I think of this statement as different than the statements in the memes.  The people are what makes a country great.  I believe President Kennedy was saying the freedoms and quality of life we enjoy can only be preserved by not only taking, but giving as well.

Not sure I explained why I feel it is different than when someone says "we must stop thinking about the individual....."

When they start off like that, visions of communism and socialist ideology comes to mind.  What is best for society as envisioned by the ones in power.

Anyway that's my take on the memes and why I don't think President Kennedy's statement is similar.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson


Congratulations, you proved a meme by posting another meme, its definitely accurate now.  :crazy:

Never been a Hillary defender, great non-sequitur.

I didn't say she didn't mean what she said, I said I don't think she meant what you think she meant from that statement. You apparently interpreted it as some big hand of government taking away all individual freedoms. I don't think that is a reasonable interpretation. Do you think JFK was like Hitler too when he said "Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country,"?  (The statement inherently emphasizes thinking about society over self.)

You obviously don't understand the definition of "meme."

Not all pictures with words on the internet are memes.  I'll let you figure out why this is not a meme.

They say the Left can't meme.  You might want to revisit your political allegiances.  This might be a symptom.

You seem to also have a problem with the meaning of non-sequitur.   What I said was directly on point.

Now you're telling me what I think?  LOL!  Good luck with that when your own thoughts are so erratic.

All of your comparisons are ridiculous.  "Ask what you can do for your country" says nothing about subjugating individual freedoms in favor of societal good.

Can you really not comprehend a simple statement like "Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country?"

Nowhere did JFK imply that you and your rights are a secondary consideration when the good of society is also involved.

Why are you even here?  You need serious educational assistance, and I don't mean money.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw