that not the average gun owner either.  that's an outlier, and i think, out of the spirit of the original question.

he's not asking about not being able to make money, he's asking about selling before its confiscated.  which they wont be at least under this current bill.

This particular guy intended to pass a lot of his collection down to his son but decided to take the money he is getting and put it in a trust for his boy. His decision was due to the ongoing ban discussion...that's his own personal fear. He wasn't worried about confiscation, he was worried about not being able to give these to his boy at some point in time. Just saying there is all kinds of gun owners with different opinions, fears, and concerns about the whole mess.

What is affectionately referred to by the old-timers in our club and by others in the sport that still shoot 30s or "real man's gun".

I am more worried about what will be concocted at our local legislature given their vast knowledge on the subject. Anyone remember that guy at the HK hearing on the range? The HK resident who claimed this bullet landed on his roof and Ed Masaki called him a liar in his face? Imagine a legilstor with a broader platform claiming that.

My jaw dropped when I heard Ed Masaki drop that.   

It seems that this generation myself included, views the 2a as more of a material possession right. I speak of this only through my observation of this buying frenzy in anticipation of a ban by the government. I'd like to say that it is more than that. It is a means to defend ourselves and this right should not be parsed out to anyone but ourselves - an inalienable responsibility to ourselves and our family.
All this buying-of-anything that might be banned is actually in favor for the anti gunners. We run for our possessions while they continue with an eraser to our 2a right. Right now since supply can't meet our insatiable demand, we gouge and gorge ourselves on prices and stuff. In the short run, its great for business but in the long run, it can prove detrimental to the industry. http://blog.rainierarms.com/2012/12/22/boom-doom-gun-dealers-perspective/
Our focus seems to be getting what we can while we can. Our short-sightedness is that we can't get them in the future therefore we need to get them now; where our long-term strategic vision should be what must we do to ENSURE we can get what we want in the future. I'm at a loss besides writing to our legislators and writing what I can in social media. Popular opinion seems to be favoring a ban on something/anything in reaction to recent tragedies.
We're losing and we're OK with that.

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What is your opinion on this topic?
I know most of us as members on this forum own weapons,  if there is a ban all registered weapons, this could lead to confiscation by the State /Federal since in Hawaii we all had to register our weapons in the State of Hawaii.

I don't believe long time real/serious gun owners are selling off their guns. It's the hobbyist/profiteering bunch that are jumping in on the panic. A true gun enthusiast,  that has spent years building their collection, knows well enough to wait and assess what's going on before doing something drastic. My opinion is: People "giving up" and selling off their stuff, have already given up and have never truly supported the Second Amendment.

A nationwide confiscation of firearms would lead to a civil war.

Keep your guns my friend, you'll need them when the fight begins.

Personally, I'd be careful when using words like "civil war" and "fight". I don't believe anyone wants that.

**Before you get all bent and defensive about it, KK, understand that you were quoted to put things in context. I doubt even you are insane enough to actually want a civil war.
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Just a word of caution:

Given the climate of the nation over this topic, we should all be very careful what we post. It doesn't take much for an unscrupulous individual to create an account, post a seemingly innocuous question, then using "off the cuff" extreme responses to suit their goals. Being that this site is: "Hawaii's Firearm, Shooting, and Hunting Community", one might take what an individual says as representative of ALL. Just remember, having someone misquoted or taken out of context can do a lot of damage.

From this topic alone, they might walk away thinking Hawaii gun owners will disregard the law, are willing to lie to police, and want civil war.

...Not sure about anyone else, but that's far from the idea of gun owners being honest, responsible and law biding citizens.

This is not paranoia speaking, it has happened before and can again. Speak your mind, but exercise caution and restraint is all I'm saying.

It seems that this generation myself included, views the 2a as more of a material possession right. I speak of this only through my observation of this buying frenzy in anticipation of a ban by the government. I'd like to say that it is more than that. It is a means to defend ourselves and this right should not be parsed out to anyone but ourselves - an inalienable responsibility to ourselves and our family.
All this buying-of-anything that might be banned is actually in favor for the anti gunners. We run for our possessions while they continue with an eraser to our 2a right. Right now since supply can't meet our insatiable demand, we gouge and gorge ourselves on prices and stuff. In the short run, its great for business but in the long run, it can prove detrimental to the industry. http://blog.rainierarms.com/2012/12/22/boom-doom-gun-dealers-perspective/
Our focus seems to be getting what we can while we can. Our short-sightedness is that we can't get them in the future therefore we need to get them now; where our long-term strategic vision should be what must we do to ENSURE we can get what we want in the future. I'm at a loss besides writing to our legislators and writing what I can in social media. Popular opinion seems to be favoring a ban on something/anything in reaction to recent tragedies.
We're losing and we're OK with that.

This is what I was trying to say in my previous post.
Instead of worrying about what might get banned, how about we do our part and NOT let the ban happen.

sometimes they are not even read by staff
they are just counted for/against
and even if the staff members read them, they may only read the first sentence or two

+1. Agree with you, ren.

Edited at 3:19 PM:   Writing to legislators will only accomplish so much.  More times than not, the mail/emails are not even read by the legislator.  The mail/emails are read and answered with politely-written responses that are written by the legislator's support staff.  Like I said in another thread, a more public and concerted effort needs to be made.

I don't believe long time real/serious gun owners are selling off their guns. It's the hobbyist/profiteering bunch that are jumping in on the panic. A true gun enthusiast,  that has spent years building their collection, knows well enough to wait and assess what's going on before doing something drastic. My opinion is: People "giving up" and selling off their stuff, have already given up and have never truly supported the Second Amendment.

Generally I agree with your comment but I also know first hand several lifelong firearm collectors/enthusiast whose main passion in life is firearms who have already made their own assessment of the situation and have decided to sell many of their cherished firearms that they fear may be potentially banned. Now that's there own personal assessment and many other contributing factors may be involved but it's the choice they have made. These are older guys who have been down this road in 1989 and 1994 and are getting up there in age. Spoke with a friend yesterday who has owned a gun shop for many years and he's calling it quits...he sounded so frustrated and depressed about liquidating his shop, again his choice. These are people who are so deep into the Second Amendment and I personally would never characterize them as never truly supporting the Second Amendment. As for selling off there stuff, I have seen this happening and it's not just the hobbyist/profiteering bunch, although that is the majority. I'm talking about serious collectors selling off stuff like Chinese Type 81s, as an example. One of these guys sold his three mint Type 81s for a total of $26K. I can tell you he was cringing the whole time but I guarantee he will support the 2nd Amendment until the day he dies.

all i'm saying, i expect nothing to pass, and i hope these guys feel alright when it runs out they gave up a bunch of their collectors pieces over a scare.

It seems that this generation myself included, views the 2a as more of a material possession right. I speak of this only through my observation of this buying frenzy in anticipation of a ban by the government. I'd like to say that it is more than that. It is a means to defend ourselves and this right should not be parsed out to anyone but ourselves - an inalienable responsibility to ourselves and our family.
All this buying-of-anything that might be banned is actually in favor for the anti gunners. We run for our possessions while they continue with an eraser to our 2a right. Right now since supply can't meet our insatiable demand, we gouge and gorge ourselves on prices and stuff. In the short run, its great for business but in the long run, it can prove detrimental to the industry. http://blog.rainierarms.com/2012/12/22/boom-doom-gun-dealers-perspective/
Our focus seems to be getting what we can while we can. Our short-sightedness is that we can't get them in the future therefore we need to get them now; where our long-term strategic vision should be what must we do to ENSURE we can get what we want in the future. I'm at a loss besides writing to our legislators and writing what I can in social media. Popular opinion seems to be favoring a ban on something/anything in reaction to recent tragedies.
We're losing and we're OK with that.

Well I'm personally not ok with it. Unfortunately the problem is far bigger than guns and it started over four years ago when Obama first got elected and now he's not worried about reelection, which makes matters worst. IMO, little by little Obama is infringing on the constitutional rights of the American people with his own self-serving agenda and getting away with it, and that sickens me to no end.

all i'm saying, i expect nothing to pass, and i hope these guys feel alright when it runs out they gave up a bunch of their collectors pieces over a scare.

You may be right, I personally hope you are right. Just saying some folks have already made their decision. Only time will tell if they made the right choice and if not, they will have to live with the regret. Just their own assessment of the situation and individual choice.

i hope nothing passes so all the assholes who over bought and hogged all the ammo will start selling them for cheap because they'd rather have $$$ than 50000 rounds of .223 and 7.62x39.

It seems that this generation myself included, views the 2a as more of a material possession right. I speak of this only through my observation of this buying frenzy in anticipation of a ban by the government. I'd like to say that it is more than that. It is a means to defend ourselves and this right should not be parsed out to anyone but ourselves - an inalienable responsibility to ourselves and our family.
All this buying-of-anything that might be banned is actually in favor for the anti gunners. We run for our possessions while they continue with an eraser to our 2a right. Right now since supply can't meet our insatiable demand, we gouge and gorge ourselves on prices and stuff. In the short run, its great for business but in the long run, it can prove detrimental to the industry. http://blog.rainierarms.com/2012/12/22/boom-doom-gun-dealers-perspective/
Our focus seems to be getting what we can while we can. Our short-sightedness is that we can't get them in the future therefore we need to get them now; where our long-term strategic vision should be what must we do to ENSURE we can get what we want in the future. I'm at a loss besides writing to our legislators and writing what I can in social media. Popular opinion seems to be favoring a ban on something/anything in reaction to recent tragedies.
We're losing and we're OK with that.

Very well put!  What we are essentially seeing happen before our eyes is the deconstruction of our nation's Constitution and Bill of Rights.  So yes it should mean more to each and everyone of us than our precious guns.  I'm 100% with you on this.

i hope nothing passes so all the assholes who over bought and hogged all the ammo will start selling them for cheap because they'd rather have $$$ than 50000 rounds of .223 and 7.62x39.

or those guys who paid 100 bucks a piece for pmags.

Who can  I contact  or were ?  I have never felt like any of them ever listen or even cared, they just do what the money tells them but this is the only time I feel moved to say somthing now any thoughts .

The NRA site is a good place to find all those who make laws and ttell them your views.
http://www.nraila.org/get-involved-locally/grassroots/write-your-reps.aspx

I'm with Heavies.  Any time there's a scare like this, I quantify my level of uneasiness and then donate a proportionate dollar amount to the NRA.  The other organization that would be an excellent choice if your funds are limited is the Firearms Policy Coalition, which is a bunch of California 2A outfits that have banded together to fight all this bullshit legislation. 

Although Leatherface Feinstein's bill is DOA when she submits it, Pelosi has a magazine capacity limit bill in the works, and I'm sure Lautenburg and all the rest of those turds will have their own bullshit bills ready to go.  Some of them will be less noticeable and stand a better chance of passing.  Everyone is so worried about Leatherface's bill, which won't pass either house of Congress, and certainly wouldn't withstand SCOTUS review if it did, that we're not going to notice when the lesser swine pass bills limiting magazine capacity, prohibiting guns to anyone who has ever thought a dirty thought, and taxing ammunition at 10,000%. 

Some interesting views and points being said.  Im keeping my weapons and hope to build my ammo supply in the next few months if it allows.
 From what I understand, its mostly 223, AK, and other assault ammo prices gone up or sarce right now.  If so, im going to at least build my 9mm and .40 stash and .223 when prices get reasonable.

i hope nothing passes so all the assholes who over bought and hogged all the ammo will start selling them for cheap because they'd rather have $$$ than 50000 rounds of .223 and 7.62x39.

Spoken like someone who didn't get any ammo.   

Although Leatherface Feinstein's bill is DOA when she submits it, Pelosi has a magazine capacity limit bill in the works, and I'm sure Lautenburg and all the rest of those turds will have their own bullshit bills ready to go.  Some of them will be less noticeable and stand a better chance of passing.  Everyone is so worried about Leatherface's bill, which won't pass either house of Congress, and certainly wouldn't withstand SCOTUS review if it did, that we're not going to notice when the lesser swine pass bills limiting magazine capacity, prohibiting guns to anyone who has ever thought a dirty thought, and taxing ammunition at 10,000%.

this, so much.  the only reason im even following the whole scare is because, DAMN, people are putting out some fantastic youtube videos out now. 

i dont think the mag ban is likely to pass either.  there is a sizable majority in the house, and there are dems who are from gun states.  and i think most republicans, regardless of views, will vote it down just to spite pelosi. 

the most likely change isnt a change for us, but the only real things i see are closing the gun show loophole "aka, just do the damn background check" like we all have to do anyways here because of the forced registration and permitting process.