when is it enough?! (Read 7869 times)

ren

when is it enough?!
« on: January 01, 2025, 09:52:41 AM »
Born and raised here and I still don't get the infatuation with fireworks.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2025/01/01/least-2-dead-22-injured-fireworks-related-incident-salt-lake/
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oldfart

Re: when is it enough?!
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2025, 11:18:04 AM »
 New report says 4, maybe more fatalities.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the dead are young kids.

Some people blame government or cops.
I blame stupid adults who want to impress their friends and neighbors. I bet there is video on social media from that neighborhood.
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"Hey look at me cuz I get plenty money fo' burn and I know da guy dat bring in the stuff...and I know da cops so I'm da best!"
........
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: when is it enough?!
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2025, 11:49:13 AM »
I was thinking about Mililani, and the Mililani Town Association in particular. 

We get fined for homes that need painting, grass needing cutting, debris from tearing down fences and walls that sit longer than a few days, and for anything that we do they require a design committee permit to do if we didn't get one such as installing exterior surveillance cameras.

They police the areas to ensure home owners comply with the Mililani Home Owners' Covenants and bylaws which lay out how properties are to be kept up, including what colors your house can be.

There's a section on noise, stating you can't make any noise that disturbs the neighbors weekdays from 9PM to 8AM, and weekends from 9PM to 9AM.  That includes operating lawn equipment, electric saws and other tools, and loud music.

It would be very interesting if a home owner decided to sue the Town Association for not policing the fireworks noise after 9PM.  Seems they are sticklers for the rules but with exceptions that are not in the MTA bylaws.

Since they make money in part through fines, they could fund the entire year on fireworks violations alone -- at least until people decide continuing their tradition is no longer worth it.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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zippz

Re: when is it enough?!
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2025, 11:55:53 AM »
Blangiardi wants to be tough on illegal fireworks and wants people to call it in.

I wonder how many people he called in to police last night?  Mustve been a lot.

ren

Re: when is it enough?!
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2025, 12:10:01 PM »
a gun shot is reported and a police respond with a list of known firearms owners in area.
illegal fireworks reported and dispatch is meh....maybe...

on another note, this should be a great example of how laws FAIL People should stop looking towards government for answers and realize the problem and answer is with the person in the mirror. Time for adults to grow up.
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macsak

Re: when is it enough?!
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2025, 12:14:26 PM »
news just reported that "homemade fireworks" were found at the scene...

ren

Re: when is it enough?!
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2025, 05:44:11 PM »
they should go after the manufacturers of the fireworks in China
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RSN172

Re: when is it enough?!
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2025, 06:23:27 PM »
I was watching a YouTube video of the fireworks in Waipahu.   Must have had several million $$ worth of fireworks going off from 2359 to 0005. 

Meanwhile, where I live in Puna, I didn't hear a single firecracker or any other type of fireworks noise.
Happily living in Puna

ren

Re: when is it enough?!
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2025, 07:38:02 PM »
https://www.khon2.com/local-news/a-booming-problem-0-illegal-fireworks-arrests-in-hawaii-this-year/

HALAWA HEIGHTS, Hawaii (KHON2) — Honolulu police say there have been hundreds of 911 calls over the past couple of months to report illegal fireworks, but no arrests.

Some residents said the nightly explosions are only getting worse.

Jim Cook has lived in Halawa Heights for decades and used to pop fireworks as a kid on New Year’s Eve.

“You can understand that. What I’m against is fireworks going off every night ever since Thanksgiving. 1030 at night on a weekday. I mean, everybody’s asleep,” he said, “Boom! My friend who’s a Vietnam vet, we were eating dinner one night. Concussion bomb went off. He dove under the table. It’s really hard on people.”

Jim’s pup is not a big fan of the nightly explosions either.

“She jumps up, she starts pacing back and forth, she quivers, she drools, and she can’t settle down after that,” Cook said. “I spend up to 2 hours petting her and trying to calm her down!”

Honolulu police said there have been 624 calls on Oahu to report illegal fireworks since Sunday, Nov. 3, but there have been no arrests made in all of 2024.
Pearl City’s major said officers can not take a suspect into custody without a witness.
Igniting fireworks for the holidays? HFD reminds you of this

“If they’re willing to meet with an officer, that will help us. If not, we’ll get the call in the office, we’ll check the area. Many times they’ll see the officer coming, officers are patrolling with a blue light on, and people will run,” said Maj. Randall Platt.

Video evidence can be shown to responding officers to aid in an arrest, but a Kaneohe lawmaker said prosecution can be tricky too.

“Department of Law Enforcement has told me that in order to prosecute someone successfully for an aerial, you need to actually find a piece of that aerial. And when you’re shooting the evidence, you know, a thousand feet in the air, it’s difficult to find a piece of that piece of that firework,” said Rep. Scot Matayoshi.
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QUIETShooter

Re: when is it enough?!
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2025, 10:46:02 PM »
How about videos of the retardeds setting off the illegal fireworks?

Would that be enough evidence?

Or will the Aloha Spirit kick in.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

rpoL98

Re: when is it enough?!
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2025, 08:48:56 AM »
Born and raised here and I still don't get the infatuation with fireworks.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2025/01/01/least-2-dead-22-injured-fireworks-related-incident-salt-lake/
must be you're not chinese?  JK.




is Waipahu the worst?  must be Nanakuli/Waianae is more worse?  Kalihi?

rpoL98

Re: when is it enough?!
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2025, 09:49:32 AM »
the only way this stops:

every cop has to be called up on duty for patrol from 11pm to 1am New Years Eve, double overtime or whatever, and be driving up and down the streets of the known hot spots.  They need to flood the hot spots with overwhelming police presence, stifling police presence.  no need patrol in Mililani or Hawaii Kai or those kinds of genteel places.  They know where the hot spots are.

if a cop driving down the street sees somebody lighting off something in the street or driveway and it goes into the sky, he's gotta jump out of his comfortable car and bum rush the guy and tackle him in the street, with everybody filming it on their smart phone, uploaded to Youtube "excessive violence".  Yeah, not happening.  so don't expect anything to change.  in the mean time, C&C rakes in the revenue from the permits (taxation), "The King was in his counting house, counting all his money" (paraphrased slightly).

Customs inspectors gotta inspect the containers coming in from the sources (China?), probably can whittle it down to specific sources, specific destinations (too hard work).  But of course, they'll says it's not possible to inspect that many containers.  don't want to make the effort.

it would take hard work, unpleasant work, it would be costly, and extremely unpopular work for there to be any effect.  yeah, not happening anytime soon.

for the Salt Lake incident, investigative journalist should look into how many times complaints were called in for that location, and HPD did nothing.  Where they got the fireworks from, HPD should investigate that.  Isn't that what detectives are supposed to do?  Sherlock Holmes?  Will they?  don't hold your breath.




"just my humble opinion".

Flapp_Jackson

Re: when is it enough?!
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2025, 11:15:04 AM »
the only way this stops:

every cop has to be called up on duty for patrol from 11pm to 1am New Years Eve, double overtime or whatever, and be driving up and down the streets of the known hot spots.  They need to flood the hot spots with overwhelming police presence, stifling police presence.  no need patrol in Mililani or Hawaii Kai or those kinds of genteel places.  They know where the hot spots are.

if a cop driving down the street sees somebody lighting off something in the street or driveway and it goes into the sky, he's gotta jump out of his comfortable car and bum rush the guy and tackle him in the street, with everybody filming it on their smart phone, uploaded to Youtube "excessive violence".  Yeah, not happening.  so don't expect anything to change.  in the mean time, C&C rakes in the revenue from the permits (taxation), "The King was in his counting house, counting all his money" (paraphrased slightly).

Customs inspectors gotta inspect the containers coming in from the sources (China?), probably can whittle it down to specific sources, specific destinations (too hard work).  But of course, they'll says it's not possible to inspect that many containers.  don't want to make the effort.

it would take hard work, unpleasant work, it would be costly, and extremely unpopular work for there to be any effect.  yeah, not happening anytime soon.

for the Salt Lake incident, investigative journalist should look into how many times complaints were called in for that location, and HPD did nothing.  Where they got the fireworks from, HPD should investigate that.  Isn't that what detectives are supposed to do?  Sherlock Holmes?  Will they?  don't hold your breath.

"just my humble opinion".
There's no need for excessive force.  They have dash and body cameras plus any other cameras they feel the need for.  That's good evidene of what was observed.  If it's too dark, just drive up close enough to hit them with the headlights or spotlight. 

There are also drones that can sneak up on law breakers and take very good low-light video.  With the noise and amount of distractions going on, drones would easily go unidentified.

All I'm saying is there are ways of gathering evidence short of tackling the person in the act.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: when is it enough?!
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2025, 11:31:07 AM »
Thanks to the fireworks bans now kids are making pipe bombs.

Is it too late for us to go back to m-80s and bottle rockets?
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changemyoil66

Re: when is it enough?!
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2025, 11:47:44 AM »
This was nothing more than an accident.

Question:
Had aerials and others been legal, would the owner have had as much stockpiled?  As in, it's easy to buy off the shelf, so no need by in bulk.

I hope everyone here pays attention to what happens next. HI is 1 active shooting away from banning "assault rifles".  The ban came close last year, and there was no active shooter here. Bruen will not save you as our lawmakers and AG don't care and will lie to pass bills.

macsak

Re: when is it enough?!
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2025, 11:49:51 AM »
i once asked a patient who was a longshoreman, "how come they cannot use dogs to find the fireworks?"
he told me, "you don't need dogs to figure out which containers have the fireworks. humans can smell the gunpowder right away."
so the issue is not detection, it's the corruption...

the only way this stops:

every cop has to be called up on duty for patrol from 11pm to 1am New Years Eve, double overtime or whatever, and be driving up and down the streets of the known hot spots.  They need to flood the hot spots with overwhelming police presence, stifling police presence.  no need patrol in Mililani or Hawaii Kai or those kinds of genteel places.  They know where the hot spots are.

if a cop driving down the street sees somebody lighting off something in the street or driveway and it goes into the sky, he's gotta jump out of his comfortable car and bum rush the guy and tackle him in the street, with everybody filming it on their smart phone, uploaded to Youtube "excessive violence".  Yeah, not happening.  so don't expect anything to change.  in the mean time, C&C rakes in the revenue from the permits (taxation), "The King was in his counting house, counting all his money" (paraphrased slightly).

Customs inspectors gotta inspect the containers coming in from the sources (China?), probably can whittle it down to specific sources, specific destinations (too hard work).  But of course, they'll says it's not possible to inspect that many containers.  don't want to make the effort.

it would take hard work, unpleasant work, it would be costly, and extremely unpopular work for there to be any effect.  yeah, not happening anytime soon.

for the Salt Lake incident, investigative journalist should look into how many times complaints were called in for that location, and HPD did nothing.  Where they got the fireworks from, HPD should investigate that.  Isn't that what detectives are supposed to do?  Sherlock Holmes?  Will they?  don't hold your breath.




"just my humble opinion".

macsak

Re: when is it enough?!
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2025, 11:52:24 AM »
plus, i'n told that some of the distribution is done by fire and police, and the ones who are not have friends and customers who are...

i once asked a patient who was a longshoreman, "how come they cannot use dogs to find the fireworks?"
he told me, "you don't need dogs to figure out which containers have the fireworks. humans can smell the gunpowder right away."
so the issue is not detection, it's the corruption...

rpoL98

Re: when is it enough?!
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2025, 01:08:05 PM »
i once asked a patient who was a longshoreman, "how come they cannot use dogs to find the fireworks?"
he told me, "you don't need dogs to figure out which containers have the fireworks. humans can smell the gunpowder right away."
so the issue is not detection, it's the corruption...
i figured somebody was getting paid to look the other way.  "cross my palm with silver..."
« Last Edit: January 02, 2025, 01:15:01 PM by rpoL98 »

ren

Re: when is it enough?!
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2025, 04:42:55 PM »
must be you're not chinese?  JK.




is Waipahu the worst?  must be Nanakuli/Waianae is more worse?  Kalihi?

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ren

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