Our local politicians always campaign on making Hawaii affordable. They lie.
https://www.khon2.com/top-stories/bill-introduced-to-double-hawaii-beverage-container-fee/

“Maybe by increasing it, it will encourage people to recycle,” said State Representative Cory Chun, who introduced House Bill 109.
While some of those we spoke with said a fee increase won’t likely change their buying habits, there could be an economic impact to retailers. That issue would likely be raised during the hearings.

Representative Chun said this is just one of several bills being introduced this session aimed to encourage recycling. The money from the increase would also support recycling efforts.

“If there is more revenue from people who don’t recycle, that money could be used to just make recycling more convenient, because that’s really what it’s all about,” said Chun.

Our local politicians always campaign on making Hawaii affordable. They lie.
https://www.khon2.com/top-stories/bill-introduced-to-double-hawaii-beverage-container-fee/

“Maybe by increasing it, it will encourage people to recycle,” said State Representative Cory Chun, who introduced House Bill 109.
While some of those we spoke with said a fee increase won’t likely change their buying habits, there could be an economic impact to retailers. That issue would likely be raised during the hearings.

Representative Chun said this is just one of several bills being introduced this session aimed to encourage recycling. The money from the increase would also support recycling efforts.

“If there is more revenue from people who don’t recycle, that money could be used to just make recycling more convenient, because that’s really what it’s all about,”

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What he really meant...

“If there is more revenue from people who don’t recycle, that money could be used to just make raises for politicians more convenient, because that’s really what it’s all about,”
 

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What he really meant...

“If there is more revenue from people who don’t recycle, that money could be used to just make raises for politicians more convenient, because that’s really what it’s all about,”
 

yep.  they've been raiding different funds since forever.  anybody who believes their bs must be in on their bs.

all in the name of recycling my a$$.

I always see lots of people at the recycling centers, is this really going to change much? I guess the homeless will be even more interested in recycling but then this just creates an increased reason to steal. That bag of cans just doubled in value.

I don't drink that much canned or bottled beverages so I am not affected much if they double the beverage fee. I don't really care one way or another. If it does make us a cleaner state then maybe it is worth it.

I always see lots of people at the recycling centers, is this really going to change much? I guess the homeless will be even more interested in recycling but then this just creates an increased reason to steal. That bag of cans just doubled in value.

I don't drink that much canned or bottled beverages so I am not affected much if they double the beverage fee. I don't really care one way or another. If it does make us a cleaner state then maybe it is worth it.

I've seen a crackhead guy stealing my neighbors empty can bin. He said he got permission, which was a lie of course.  With the law of getting money back from cans, this created another venue for crackheads to make money to support their habbit.

I've seen a crackhead guy stealing my neighbors empty can bin. He said he got permission, which was a lie of course.  With the law of getting money back from cans, this created another venue for crackheads to make money to support their habbit.

My neighbor 2 doors down posted a video on the Ring Neighbors app of 2 guys in a Tacoma stopping at the curb by his house.  He had 3 very large clear plastic bags full of cans next to his garage.  The 2 jumped out, grabbed the cans, and were gone in about 10 seconds.  Not worried about any surveillance cameras or anyone catching them.  It was about 7:30 am IIRC.

If the redemption payment increases, that kind of theft is just going to get worse.

Personally, when looking at the prices of canned and bottled beverages, I don't think about the recycling fee as a redemption "discount".  It's money out of my pocket at the point of purchase no mater what it's for. 

It takes time to collect enough containers to justify the time needed for cleaning, counting bottles and cans, inspecting them to ensure they have the Hi-5 logo, and driving to the recycling center, waiting in line, etc.  it also costs a little money for water to rinse out the containers and reserve enough space in your home to store them before recycling.  At present, you get $10 for recycling 200 containers if you have them counted.  Is the time, effort, gas, water and storage space worth that $10?  Would $20 make it more worthwhile?  For those who religiously recycle, there's no difference other than the state holds onto more of your money until you make the time to redeem containers.  For those tossing containers in the trash, I think it depends on the number of containers they go through. 

The state anticipates (or hope for) a certain percentage of deposits to go unclaimed.  That's money for the state.  Raising the fee means the estimated $58M collected each year will go up to $106M.  If the percentage of redemptions remain close to the same, that's a nice little bump of about 45% to the state.

According to the Hi-5 website, the program collects 6 cents per container.  5 cents is a returnable deposit, and 1 cent goes to the recycling centers.

However, the state pays 2-4 cents per container for recycling and shipping, 1-3 cents of which comes out of everyone's taxes whether or not they purchase beverages in recyclable containers.

58 x 2 = 116

My neighbor 2 doors down posted a video on the Ring Neighbors app of 2 guys in a Tacoma stopping at the curb by his house.  He had 3 very large clear plastic bags full of cans next to his garage.  The 2 jumped out, grabbed the cans, and were gone in about 10 seconds.  Not worried about any surveillance cameras or anyone catching them.  It was about 7:30 am IIRC.

If the redemption payment increases, that kind of theft is just going to get worse.

Personally, when looking at the prices of canned and bottled beverages, I don't think about the recycling fee as a redemption "discount".  It's money out of my pocket at the point of purchase no mater what it's for. 

It takes time to collect enough containers to justify the time needed for cleaning, counting bottles and cans, inspecting them to ensure they have the Hi-5 logo, and driving to the recycling center, waiting in line, etc.  it also costs a little money for water to rinse out the containers and reserve enough space in your home to store them before recycling.  At present, you get $10 for recycling 200 containers if you have them counted.  Is the time, effort, gas, water and storage space worth that $10?  Would $20 make it more worthwhile?  For those who religiously recycle, there's no difference other than the state holds onto more of your money until you make the time to redeem containers.  For those tossing containers in the trash, I think it depends on the number of containers they go through. 

The state anticipates (or hope for) a certain percentage of deposits to go unclaimed.  That's money for the state.  Raising the fee means the estimated $58M collected each year will go up to $106M.  If the percentage of redemptions remain close to the same, that's a nice little bump of about 45% to the state.

According to the Hi-5 website, the program collects 6 cents per container.  5 cents is a returnable deposit, and 1 cent goes to the recycling centers.

However, the state pays 2-4 cents per container for recycling and shipping, 1-3 cents of which comes out of everyone's taxes whether or not they purchase beverages in recyclable containers.

58 x 2 = 116

$58M / 6 cents = ~9.67M containers

~9.66M containers * 5 cents =  ~$48.3M

$58M + $48M = $106M

Math isn't hard, but grasping the problem may be.

Current 6 cent fee would go up to 11 cents per container.  That's not a 50% increase in the fee charged.



The change only increases the 5 cent deposit.  You still have to account for the 1 cent recycling cost you pay on top of the redeemable deposit.

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my apologies...

$58M / 6 cents = ~9.67 containers

~9.66 containers * 5 cents =  ~$48.3M

$58M + $48M = $106M

Math isn't hard, but grasping the problem may be.

The change only increases the 5 cent deposit.  You still have to account for the 1 cent recycling cost you pay on top of the redeemable deposit.

got it
my apologies...

See, it isn't hard to admit when a mistake was made.  This is how its' done. 

Instead of trying to move goal post, deflect, change the topic, etc...

My neighbor 2 doors down posted a video on the Ring Neighbors app of 2 guys in a Tacoma stopping at the curb by his house.  He had 3 very large clear plastic bags full of cans next to his garage.  The 2 jumped out, grabbed the cans, and were gone in about 10 seconds.  Not worried about any surveillance cameras or anyone catching them.  It was about 7:30 am IIRC.

If the redemption payment increases, that kind of theft is just going to get worse.

Personally, when looking at the prices of canned and bottled beverages, I don't think about the recycling fee as a redemption "discount".  It's money out of my pocket at the point of purchase no mater what it's for. 

It takes time to collect enough containers to justify the time needed for cleaning, counting bottles and cans, inspecting them to ensure they have the Hi-5 logo, and driving to the recycling center, waiting in line, etc.  it also costs a little money for water to rinse out the containers and reserve enough space in your home to store them before recycling.  At present, you get $10 for recycling 200 containers if you have them counted.  Is the time, effort, gas, water and storage space worth that $10?  Would $20 make it more worthwhile?  For those who religiously recycle, there's no difference other than the state holds onto more of your money until you make the time to redeem containers.  For those tossing containers in the trash, I think it depends on the number of containers they go through. 

The state anticipates (or hope for) a certain percentage of deposits to go unclaimed.  That's money for the state.  Raising the fee means the estimated $58M collected each year will go up to $106M.  If the percentage of redemptions remain close to the same, that's a nice little bump of about 45% to the state.

According to the Hi-5 website, the program collects 6 cents per container.  5 cents is a returnable deposit, and 1 cent goes to the recycling centers.

However, the state pays 2-4 cents per container for recycling and shipping, 1-3 cents of which comes out of everyone's taxes whether or not they purchase beverages in recyclable containers.

Well anyone who is an alcoholic or a buyer of 50 packs of bottle water via Costco is gonna be f@#%d should this bill pass! The alcoholic can make the effort to quit drinking; but even if you buy something else that comes in a recycled drink container, you would be just as f@#%d as the alcoholic with a habit they refuse to kick. My old man unfortunately is one of these guys who can't stop pounding the beer.

Somebody should make this case in testimony before our state reps or we'll all be forced to drink from the tap if we want to save ourselves from the wrath of our leeching state!

F@#%!^g parasites, just pass legalized gambling or pass fully legal recreational pot and you'll get all your state revenue already!

Instead of lowering the cost of living our politicians intend to lower 2 other things:

1) Our standard of living

2) The IQ of the people

Instead of lowering the cost of living our politicians intend to lower 2 other things:

1) Our standard of living

2) The IQ of the people

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They're doing a great job.

Instead of lowering the cost of living our politicians intend to lower 2 other things:

1) Our standard of living

2) The IQ of the people

And increasing taking our right away (2a).

got it
my apologies...

Was it a blue moon the other night?

See, it isn't hard to admit when a mistake was made.  This is how its' done. 

Instead of trying to move goal post, deflect, change the topic, etc...

I never thought it was possible. . .   

Instead of lowering the cost of living our politicians intend to lower 2 other things:

1) Our standard of living

2) The IQ of the people

Veteran demorat politician to new freshman demorat politician:

"Control the masses and you control the contents of your pocketbook."