the jury is still out on that one but seems like MLK lost out.  look at the black community.  bigger ghettos than ever.  most people in poverty and assistance than ever.  highest murder and incarceration rates.  highest abortion and unwed mothers.  the black family has been almost completely destroyed since.  meanwhile black on white crime is almost completely uncovered and even forgiven.  radical black leaders are now respected college professors - ah well we might as well to agree to disagree on that sign.  I don't think you're going to like the one I'm thinking of either LOL

I don't see any colored/white water fountains any more. Also not so many lynchings, although segregated schools is a different matter even though it's done now through redistricting. There is still a massive war on drugs going on despite the fact it was lost a long time ago, private prisons making money off head counts, and manufacturing jobs that headed offshore never to return leaving entire cities out of luck.

Sooner or later you will have to bust out a bell curve to justify your logic.

It would be an upside down one then with Opra and the Obamas on the rich side and the masses of poor on the other  :p 
Anyways, no worries about any divides, we're just talking about the one sign. 

Our common ground is support for the Second Amendment!

Please do share more sign / slogan ideas. 

let's put it this way.  who accomplished more during the civil rights movement?  The Black Panthers?  or MLK?

I am saddened because the truth "does not matter"     What kind of flowery picture of guns will reach into people's brains to make them understand?  Sorry for being argumentative just taking another side.   

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2012/12/29/back-to-the-future-what-history-teaches-about-gun-confiscations/

Both you gentlemen make valid points.  And truth be told you're both right.    We need to speak the truth with a no holds bar but we need to do it at the right time. 
Right now the public( hawaii) is not ready for the whole truth. Do you remember a couple of years ago when ghd Republicans put up a negative add about Hanabusa. That single add cost Djou the house seat.   We need a softer approach for now.   We could talk about how the US government came around and sent Japanesse people to the centers.  I have spoken to a few guys that they remembered the FBI coming to their house when they were kids.


In a month or two might be a better time to come out fighting no holds bar.   We need to get some momentum with people first.   That is Imho

very true x21,
this is a battle for the hearts and minds and we are losing big time right now
we should act like normal citizens and not play into media/public perceptions of gun owners

it doesnt matter.  you're fighting for the perception of the crowd.  its not a structured debate, its about making an impression.  right now, people on the other side think gun owners are crazy and violent.

coming off as aggressive and pugnacious just reinforces that negative stereotype, especially since the other side already expects it and it just feeds their confirmation bias.

this is politics.  understand that the last thing that matters is the truth.  what really matters is what others think of you, and you have control over that.  it really doesnt have anything to do with facts, or who is right or wrong, its a popularity contest.

do you want to be perceived as the crazy gun owner?  or do you want to be seen as part of a mass of reasonable, calm firearms enthusiasts who are supporting their rights in a well mannered way?

http://smith-wessonforum.com/2nd-amendment-forum/287750-terrific-article-mind-anti-gunner.html


this is article is well written and gives some insight to the mind of a anti gun person,  try to repost in some other discussions and email to friends.   

Thanks for the posts everyone    

We are the normal citizens not serfs.

I hope to see Charles Djou there with us!

Watch this


recent NRA segment
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2013/01/13/exp-sotu-nra-pres-david-keene-response-to-wh-task-force-biden.cnn

Wow, here's another recent must watch video!  You're going to love how this guy handles the heat 

Wow, here's another recent must watch video!  You're going to love how this guy handles the heat 

he didnt correct him.  when he said "an assault rifle is not what was used, they're fully automatic", the other guy said "have they not been used in recent shootings?", he conceded and agreed.


too bad there has only ever been only ONE mass shooting with a fully automatic weapon, and it was a cop using one of his duty weapons.

yah I caught that too but overall it was a win.

and doesn't help our case but what about the North Hollywood shootout, they had full autos didn't they?

yah I caught that too but overall it was a win.

and doesn't help our case but what about the North Hollywood shootout, they had full autos didn't they?

i dont think that counts as a mass shooting since it was an active fight between the police, and also because it was a robbery, not just random murder.  they werent killing defenseless victims.

it also doesnt count as a mass shooting, because none of the police officers died, only the shooters.  the general definition being used oor a mass shooting is 4 total victims, i believe.  so the oregon mall shooting technically doesnt count either.

also of note: the North holly wood shootout happened during the AWB.

This from the Facebook link I posted earlier. They were also handing out fliers at the range today. Thought I'd pass along here for them since they hadn't heard of this forum.

This from the Facebook link I posted earlier. They were also handing out fliers at the range today. Thought I'd pass along here for them since they hadn't heard of this forum.

It is a trip on how many Hawaii gun owners do not know about this forum.
Spread the word folks about the forum and the event!

Check this link out for ideas for ideas signs or slogans.

http://cap-n-ball.com/fathers.htm

It is a trip on how many Hawaii gun owners do not know about this forum.
Spread the word folks about the forum and the event!

use all means available,  facebook, twitter, email, mouth to mouth,  signs at local gun shops etc.

I would love to see every Hawaii gun owner with a computer and an Internet connection on here. It would help out the cause greatly.  A one stop shop for current 2A info for Hawaii.   Uniting the gun owner seems to have been very difficult in Hawaii.

Check this link out for ideas for ideas signs or slogans.

http://cap-n-ball.com/fathers.htm

nice find

I would love to see every Hawaii gun owner with a computer and an Internet connection on here. It would help out the cause greatly.  A one stop shop for current 2A info for Hawaii.   Uniting the gun owner seems to have been very difficult in Hawaii.

maybe we could get the LGS to advertise the sites,  most people don't know about this site.   

http://smith-wessonforum.com/2nd-amendment-forum/287750-terrific-article-mind-anti-gunner.html


this is article is well written and gives some insight to the mind of a anti gun person,  try to repost in some other discussions and email to friends.   

Dang -Great read!  Now watch any of the anti's videos and apply.  Projection and all of that so clearly identified.  I'm thinking that older interviewer is quite crafty now.  He is no dummy, he has been through it all at this point in life.  Quite interesting!