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Kalihi Uka

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Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2025, 11:13:15 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on October 07, 2025, 11:03:28 PM
It’s not difficult to outmaneuver those who have lost their grip on reality.
Well, yeah, no way to argue that one … but

why are still above ground though?

That’s what I want to know.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2025, 11:32:46 PM »
Quote from: Kalihi Uka on October 07, 2025, 11:13:15 PM
Well, yeah, no way to argue that one … but

why are still above ground though?

That’s what I want to know.

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Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2025, 06:24:50 AM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on October 07, 2025, 11:32:46 PM

Certainly goes a long way in explaining why I’m still here.
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Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2025, 07:43:31 AM »
Our DC reps arehitting hard and blaming the GOP and how they want to increase your medical insurance.  But same or similar ones were silent on the ACA>

Pre ACA, I was paying $78/mo with Kaiser for 3 years straight.  Then once the ACA passed, I lost my plan and my premium increased to $280.  Then the following year it went up to $600+.

When Barry said "your premiums wont go up", I expect 10% a year or so due to inflation like stuff.  But this increase wasn't it.
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Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2025, 08:47:21 AM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on October 08, 2025, 07:43:31 AM
Our DC reps arehitting hard and blaming the GOP and how they want to increase your medical insurance.  But same or similar ones were silent on the ACA>

Pre ACA, I was paying $78/mo with Kaiser for 3 years straight.  Then once the ACA passed, I lost my plan and my premium increased to $280.  Then the following year it went up to $600+.

When Barry said "your premiums wont go up", I expect 10% a year or so due to inflation like stuff.  But this increase wasn't it.
Obamacare is a disaster here.

If you are close to retirement age, you will pay full freight premiums - comparable or higher than full coverage employer plan premiums - but with coverage equivalent to a high deductible catastrophic plan.

You’re really looking  at about $1000/month, and they own your ass tax-wise.  Must file jointly if married, must estimate your future income precisely, lest you get a nasty surprise at tax time.

All because they limit to only local providers (HMSA / Kaiser).

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QUIETShooter

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2025, 09:57:07 AM »
In my book Obama is an asshole.  Watch Hakeem Jeffries.  He mimicks how Obama talks and got Obama's facial expressions down to science.

He's practicing.  For nothing.

Obamacare is BS.  So is Hakeem Jeffries.

So is their rhetoric about how they care for the American people.  All BS.
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hvybarrels

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2025, 10:04:23 AM »
The Democratic Party is the
party of the corporate elite. We cannot disassemble their influence networks fast enough.

Never be swayed by their arguments about fairness and rule of law.

They consider your belief in that stuff to be a weakness.
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Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2025, 10:41:56 AM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on October 08, 2025, 10:04:23 AM
The Democratic Party is the
party of the corporate elite. We cannot disassemble their influence networks fast enough.

Never be swayed by their arguments about fairness and rule of law.

They consider your belief in that stuff to be a weakness.
If Satan got around to setting up his own political party, how could it possibly be any different from the Democrat party of today?  How?

That’s who we’re fighting.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2025, 11:21:32 AM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on October 08, 2025, 07:43:31 AM
Our DC reps arehitting hard and blaming the GOP and how they want to increase your medical insurance.  But same or similar ones were silent on the ACA>

Pre ACA, I was paying $78/mo with Kaiser for 3 years straight.  Then once the ACA passed, I lost my plan and my premium increased to $280.  Then the following year it went up to $600+.

When Barry said "your premiums wont go up", I expect 10% a year or so due to inflation like stuff.  But this increase wasn't it.
Barrack Hussein Obama lied to the American public.  He swore (1) you can keep your plan and/or doctor if you want to , and (2) premiums would not go up -- that they would go down $2,600 for most families.

Obama gave an interview near the end of his presidency after the truth of Obamacare was too horrible to ignore.

YT isn't readily showing that interview for obvious reasons -- assuming it exists any longer.  However, this is basically his response to being accused of lying about saving $2,600 a year per family on premiums and about being able to keep a plan or doctor if you like them:



He said in general that if you believed what he said, then YOU didn't do your homework.  It's your fault he was able to get away with lying, so don't point fingers at Obama!
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Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2025, 11:43:19 AM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on October 08, 2025, 11:21:32 AM
Barrack Hussein Obama lied to the American public.  He swore (1) you can keep your plan and/or doctor if you want to , and (2) premiums would not go up -- that they would go down $2,600 for most families.

Obama gave an interview near the end of his presidency after the truth of Obamacare was too horrible to ignore.

YT isn't readily showing that interview for obvious reasons -- assuming it exists any longer.  However, this is basically his response to being accused of lying about saving $2,600 a year per family on premiums and about being able to keep a plan or doctor if you like them:



He said in general that if you believed what he said, then YOU didn't do your homework.  It's your fault he was able to get away with lying, so don't point fingers at Obama!
Nice clip, very apropos.

After all, Obama is a Sith …

I mean a gay Sith.

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QUIETShooter

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2025, 12:08:21 PM »
That damn kenyan never sat well with me.

Even when Hawaii was all up and singing praises for the "hawaii boy" that will be president.

hawaii boi my ass.

Never cared a rat's ass for hawaii's people.  Knew they would never help him get to where he wants to be.  So he goes to Illinois where people of his own kind will help him get there.

Hell in my opinion if he wasn't such a political correctness hypocrite he would've had a white blonde trophy nympho for a wife instead of big mike.

Big mike was only for show.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2025, 10:24:38 PM »
Poll shows one-third of voters are
unaware of the government shutdown
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WASHINGTON (TNND) — A new poll reveals only 6% of voters say
they're greatly impacted by the government shutdown, with nearly a
third who don't even know there is one.
https://news4sanantonio.com/news/nation-world/poll-shows-one-third-of-voters-are-unaware-of-the-government-shutdown-healthcare-obama-care-affordable-care-act-medical-insurance-president-donald-trump-chuck-schumer-hakeem-jeffries-republicans-democrats
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2025, 09:07:00 PM »
Now that the Winter holidays are fast approaching, and the uncertainty with the SNAP/EBT benefits after Nov 1, Congress is running options up the flagpole to see what's possible.

The GOP is considering 2 longer term CSRs (continued spending resolutions) that maintain the government spending at last year's levels.  One idea is to set the CRS to pay for government through end of Jan 2026, but the one they would really like is to fund government without spending increases through Dec 1, 2026.

Democrats, however, are trying to reprise the disastrous omnibus spending bill tactic after jamming through a short-term CSR.

Too bad all that "extra" money we had was spent on student loan forgiveness, including grads who are doing well financially and don't need it.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5567999-gop-government-funding-extension-shutdown/
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changemyoil66

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2025, 07:28:39 AM »
Many of the food trucks stopped coming to Pearl Harbor shipyard.  I guess they saw a decline in purchasing.
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Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2025, 09:56:01 AM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on October 28, 2025, 07:28:39 AM
Many of the food trucks stopped coming to Pearl Harbor shipyard.  I guess they saw a decline in purchasing.
Well, that would be expected if 80% of the workforce is furloughed.

That means only 20% would be verifiably essential workers.

I made up the numbers, but from past experience, that's pretty close.
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QUIETShooter

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2025, 10:39:12 AM »
12.5% of people in America are under food welfare from the government.

Notice I said people and not American citizens.

I only think of the children going hungry.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2025, 10:48:22 AM »
Quote from: QUIETShooter on October 28, 2025, 10:39:12 AM
12.5% of people in America are under food welfare from the government.

Notice I said people and not American citizens.

I only think of the children going hungry.
With all this hoopla over SNAP, I haven't seen a single mention of free/subsidized school lunches or school breakfasts.  I think those are also under the USDA if not mistaken.

i'll do some looking ....

UPDATE:

According to the USDA and a couple of state's websites, the school lunch funding is covered through end of Oct, just like SNAP.  if the shutdown continues into Nov, the state will have to fund the school's reduced price or free lunches.  They would then be reimbursed once funding is appropriated after the shutdown.

Here's the interesting part.  Hawaii is urging anyone who was furloughed or terminated from their government job to immediately apply for school lunch subsidies for their kids.  Also, about 1,100 FNS employees that manage the USDA SNAP and school lunch programs are furloughed out of about 1,200. 

How bogged down do you think FNS will be if all 50 states tell their furloughed and terminated employees to apply for school food subsidies?

From what I remember, the state gets school funding  that's tied in part to how many of its students are receiving free or reduced lunches.  I guess it's a litmus test for how many students have parents earning below a certain level, so the school gets more money to offset the smaller tax revenue amount -- lower earnings = less tax owed.  Makes sense that the state would try to capitalize on the current situation by getting as many people enrolled in school lunch programs as they can before the parents start getting a paycheck again.

Anyway, if HI can rustle up the cash to continue feeding kids free and reduced meals at school, then at least the kids in the family won't be suffering much.

Although, I'm sure some might argue that school lunches cause suffering, ...    :geekdanc:
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changemyoil66

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2025, 11:32:26 AM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on October 28, 2025, 09:56:01 AM
Well, that would be expected if 80% of the workforce is furloughed.

That means only 20% would be verifiably essential workers.

I made up the numbers, but from past experience, that's pretty close.

IDK either how many are furloughed, but there are many calling in sick and using their sick days.
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Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2025, 11:51:20 AM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on October 28, 2025, 11:32:26 AM
IDK either how many are furloughed, but there are many calling in sick and using their sick days.
I don't think they need to use sick leave unless they are "excepted" and have to come to work.  Once the shutdown ends, they all get back pay for the shutdown period.  Sick leave likewise would be paid to the employee after the shutdown ends.  i don't see much of an upside to burning leave unnecessarily.

In fact, let's say you have 30 days sick leave available to use.  You put in for that and take a month of sick leave.  When the gov't reopens, instead of getting back pay for the time you were furloughed, you'll get paid 30 days of sick leave.  So, you get the same back pay, but you burned your leave.

There are limits to how much leave you can carry over from one fiscal year to another.  The current rules look like you will be credited for any sick or annual leave you would have accrued during the shutdown.  Any use-or-lose leave scheduled before the shutdown will be credited back to the employee and available to use before next fiscal year ends.

Maybe I'm, missing something?  i'm sure it gets more complicated with people planning to retire this year, people who quit to get a job that's paying, etc.  I just don't see the benefit of buning though sick days/leave if you're allowed to keep more than the carry-over amount due to the furlough.

i skimmed this, so maybe I'm missing a key point?

https://www.fedsmith.com/2025/03/13/pay-and-benefits-for-federal-employees-in-a-government-shutdown/
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changemyoil66

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #39 on: October 28, 2025, 01:36:59 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on October 28, 2025, 11:51:20 AM
I don't think they need to use sick leave unless they are "excepted" and have to come to work.  Once the shutdown ends, they all get back pay for the shutdown period.  Sick leave likewise would be paid to the employee after the shutdown ends.  i don't see much of an upside to burning leave unnecessarily.

In fact, let's say you have 30 days sick leave available to use.  You put in for that and take a month of sick leave.  When the gov't reopens, instead of getting back pay for the time you were furloughed, you'll get paid 30 days of sick leave.  So, you get the same back pay, but you burned your leave.

There are limits to how much leave you can carry over from one fiscal year to another.  The current rules look like you will be credited for any sick or annual leave you would have accrued during the shutdown.  Any use-or-lose leave scheduled before the shutdown will be credited back to the employee and available to use before next fiscal year ends.

Maybe I'm, missing something?  i'm sure it gets more complicated with people planning to retire this year, people who quit to get a job that's paying, etc.  I just don't see the benefit of buning though sick days/leave if you're allowed to keep more than the carry-over amount due to the furlough.

i skimmed this, so maybe I'm missing a ley point?

https://www.fedsmith.com/2025/03/13/pay-and-benefits-for-federal-employees-in-a-government-shutdown/

From the people I know who are telling me this, those using sick pay are required to come to work.  The bosses aren't asking for a doctors note either.
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