Government shutdown (Read 10525 times)

Heavies

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #120 on: November 10, 2025, 10:31:14 AM »
These clowns created the problem of Obama care and purposefully made it unsustainable to use it as leverage against the people and to launder the kickbacks from the insurance companies.  Nothing about this government healthcare helps people.  It helps these politicians and insurance companies make billions of dollars.

QUIETShooter

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #121 on: November 10, 2025, 10:46:51 AM »
Senator Kennedy also exposed some 4.5 million dollars the demorats want to send to Uganda or someplace in Africa to promote LGBQT elo-meno-P rights.

4.5 million dollars.  To f*ckers in Uganda while our own citizens struggle to make ends meet.  Yeah, I wonder how much of that money actually reaches those pukes in Uganda.  Maybe 1 million?  The rest in you know who pockets.

Same as this Obama care crap.  How much actually filters down to help the ones it was intended to help.

My opinion of course.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #122 on: November 10, 2025, 10:56:53 AM »
These clowns created the problem of Obama care and purposefully made it unsustainable to use it as leverage against the people and to launder the kickbacks from the insurance companies.  Nothing about this government healthcare helps people.  It helps these politicians and insurance companies make billions of dollars.

Trump posted that any subsidies should be paid to the individual and not the company.

changemyoil66

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #123 on: November 10, 2025, 10:58:23 AM »
I hope they also use this for DOGE. All those who didn't show up are then fired.  It made no sense to not show up as you will eventually get your pay.  By not showing up, no pay. Unless sick pay or PTO/vacay was used, but then what is their sick pay protocol.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #124 on: November 10, 2025, 11:30:47 AM »
I hope they also use this for DOGE. All those who didn't show up are then fired.  It made no sense to not show up as you will eventually get your pay.  By not showing up, no pay. Unless sick pay or PTO/vacay was used, but then what is their sick pay protocol.
One of the concessions Trump made to end the shutdown is all the federal employees terminated when the shutdown began have to be reinstated.

In other words, they are mad Trump took advantage of the Dem shutdown, so they wanted to undo it.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #125 on: November 10, 2025, 05:33:23 PM »

ren

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #126 on: November 11, 2025, 04:46:25 PM »
I don't understand. If the shutdown was blamed on Trump and Republicans why are they blaming the Democrats for opening govt.? ???
Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #127 on: November 11, 2025, 06:32:58 PM »
I don't understand. If the shutdown was blamed on Trump and Republicans why are they blaming the Democrats for opening govt.? ???
It's easy.  Democrats lie.  Republicans lie, just not as blatantly.  You can't reconcile the facts in a place where truth is the first and constant casualty.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #128 on: November 13, 2025, 11:22:39 AM »
The longest government shutdown in US history is officially over.

President Trump signed the bill to fund the government through the end of January 2006.  SNAP was extended to end of September.

One of the downsides:  the CR continues funding the government at last year's levels. That means we are extending the Biden/Democrat budget that was in place when Trump took office.

And the Democrats today are whining that they "lost" in this CR bill.

So, don't get caught up in the rhetoric.  if you really want to know what the impacts of the CR might be, do your own research.

(Real research.  Not the "I Googled something and this link was at the top" research -- i.e. EEF-search)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #129 on: November 13, 2025, 12:23:08 PM »
I wonder if the same crap will happen come Jan.30th 2026 when the CR ends.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #130 on: November 13, 2025, 12:43:16 PM »
I wonder if the same crap will happen come Jan.30th 2026 when the CR ends.
Supposedly the ACA subsidies part of the budget will be discussed in December, so the answer to your question is, "We'll have to wait and see."

My guess is the Dems would be shooting themselves in the foot to have agreed to table that issue and reopen the gov't just to shut it down again after being given the chance to present their case to the House and Senate.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #131 on: November 14, 2025, 10:03:19 AM »
I wonder if the same crap will happen come Jan.30th 2026 when the CR ends.

NINE ZEROS.........90 Billion dollars estimated of what this shutdown cost. 

Check out @ 1:30 of the video what the obama wannabe said in light of the government opening back up.

I have some words for you mr. hakeem jeffries:  F*ck you and everyone like you.

Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

ren

Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #133 on: November 14, 2025, 10:25:09 PM »
So, only Democrats voted for Obamacare at the 11th hour just before they lost the majority in the House.

They lied to the nation and SCOTUS -- first saying they were authorized to force uninsured adults pay a tax, then arguing to the SCOTUS that the mandate was not a tax.

They lied for years about how much everyone would save, and that we can keep our doctors and our plans.

They balked at every plan offered to fix the ACA.

Then they used COVID emergency powers to pass a larger subsidy for ACA subscribers.

Now that the COVID emergency is over (has been for awhile), the Dems are terrified that the ACA will again be exposed for the unaffordable BS that it's alwys been.

But, that's the Republican's fault?   :crazy: :wtf:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Heavies

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #134 on: November 17, 2025, 04:43:10 AM »
party before the people of Hawaii

https://www.khon2.com/wake-up-2day/rep-jill-tokuda-heads-to-d-c-to-vote-no-on-latest-bill-to-reopen-the-government/

This is the typical and classic Communist.  What’s not typical and classic is the insane party platform of the new left which is illegals, weirdo cross dressing perverts, and racial criminal coddling. 

QUIETShooter

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #135 on: November 17, 2025, 08:36:47 AM »
Seems like the extreme left does not believe in capitalism anymore.  Without capitalists to leech off of, how are the extreme left gonna get money to give to their lazy voter base?

I wonder if Bernie and A1c and mom-dani would willingly share their wealth or do they consider themselves the elite group that is above their constituents.

Capitalism for me, but not for thee.  The mantra of the socialist elite.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #136 on: November 17, 2025, 09:15:38 AM »
How does the shutdown cost money?  Are people making overtime cause otehrs are calling in sick?  Were contracts lost?

hvybarrels

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #137 on: November 17, 2025, 09:44:46 AM »
How does the shutdown cost money?  Are people making overtime cause otehrs are calling in sick?  Were contracts lost?

Wealth was not properly redistributed
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #138 on: November 17, 2025, 10:57:11 AM »
How does the shutdown cost money?  Are people making overtime cause otehrs are calling in sick?  Were contracts lost?
With no money flowing, most government employees aren't getting paid during. 

Basically, if the government ain't paying, the payees ain't spending, and the people selling to them ain't making money.

Gov't contracts had to be put on hold unless the contractor was willing to proceed "at risk" -- meaning they have no guarantee the gov't will pay them for all the work they did.  Those not willing to proceed may have to postpone hiring or even place people on leaves of absence while the money isn't coming in.  just like above, the money isn't making its way into the economy because there's a dam upstream.

Imagine all the grocers, especially the small mom & pop stores, having to meet payroll and pay their bills if a large percentage of their customers are SNAP recipients.  Once that money is halted, grocers in lower income areas might have problems with their monthly cashflow, threatening their business' very existence.

Those are high-level issues.  At the micro level, you may have parents unable to pay tuition for their kids' college or private school, new car purchases that have to be put on hold even though their old car is costing lots to keep it running, Same for new appliances or major work on homes -- new roof or kitchen renovation.  Then there are services the employees can't all afford without a paycheck, like their yard maintenance or house cleaning, and on and on.  Each person who depends on the gov't money reaching their customers (gov't employees) will be impacted.

Then there's the $5 Billion we owe in back pay for gov't employees, which almost all will be paid for zero hours worked -- money for nothing.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #139 on: November 17, 2025, 11:16:43 AM »
With no money flowing, most government employees aren't getting paid during. 

Basically, if the government ain't paying, the payees ain't spending, and the people selling to them ain't making money.

Gov't contracts had to be put on hold unless the contractor was willing to proceed "at risk" -- meaning they have no guarantee the gov't will pay them for all the work they did.  Those not willing to proceed may have to postpone hiring or even place people on leaves of absence while the money isn't coming in.  just like above, the money isn't making its way into the economy because there's a dam upstream.

Imagine all the grocers, especially the small mom & pop stores, having to meet payroll and pay their bills if a large percentage of their customers are SNAP recipients.  Once that money is halted, grocers in lower income areas might have problems with their monthly cashflow, threatening their business' very existence.

Those are high-level issues.  At the micro level, you may have parents unable to pay tuition for their kids' college or private school, new car purchases that have to be put on hold even though their old car is costing lots to keep it running, Same for new appliances or major work on homes -- new roof or kitchen renovation.  Then there are services the employees can't all afford without a paycheck, like their yard maintenance or house cleaning, and on and on.  Each person who depends on the gov't money reaching their customers (gov't employees) will be impacted.

Then there's the $5 Billion we owe in back pay for gov't employees, which almost all will be paid for zero hours worked -- money for nothing.

I still don't understand.  I mean, I look at it as everyone above iwll get their money. So even steven.  So how is it a "loss" or costing that much extra due to the shutdown.  If anything, the government "saved" money for a month.

When I see a headline like " the shutdown cost X billions", that's the normal spending for that time. It's not like it cost X billions on top of what would have been spent normally.