is alive and well....
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2026/06/02/torture-honolulu-police-look-mob-that-attacked-lifeguard-15-year-old/

the same spirit that told the court we don't need firearms to protect ourselves....because Aloha!

is alive and well....
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2026/06/02/torture-honolulu-police-look-mob-that-attacked-lifeguard-15-year-old/

the same spirit that told the court we don't need firearms to protect ourselves....because Aloha!

The mob must have knew that one on one with the boy or lifeguard, none of them would have a fricken chance in hell.

Hence the "Aloha Mob".

By the way, my guess is nothing going happen.  Nothing does in this banana republik.

That's called a Chimp Out. It's been popularized on social media by certain degenerate welfare-addicted ethnic groups and communist rent-a-riots in blue cities with revolving door justice systems.
The attackers are all fairly certain they will get off because if it ever goes before a judge they will say the magic social justice words that grant them leniency and a license for mayhem.

This video made me reconsider my plans for a wheel gun. Small frames are much more convenient to carry, but five shots are clearly not enough to escape/rescue a love one from a Chimp Out.
The chimps abandon honor and humanity, preferring to attack from the back like wild animals. Surviving without someone else on 6 could likely involve rolling like Rittenhouse.

if you were a father witnessing your son getting pummeled like that and you were armed...justified?

if you were a father witnessing your son getting pummeled like that and you were armed...justified?

Or daughter. Plenty of bystander females are getting reconstructive surgery and brain damage lately.

https://www.gbnews.com/news/us/cincinnati-jazz-festival-fourth-man-arrested-dominique-kittle

if you were a father witnessing your son getting pummeled like that and you were armed...justified?

Lemesee…..,

1. Immediate and unavoidable ✅ (yep, already happening),

2. danger of death or grave bodily injury ✅ (yep, victim restrained on the ground while being beaten by a mob),

3. to yourself or an innocent. ✅ (obviously).

Seems like yeah, justified.

But let’s look at it the other way, and say that, for fear of wrongful prosecution by the local Khmer Rouge, you don’t, and they kill your son (or anyone, for that matter).

You forever own the guilt of letting an innocent be killed via inaction in compliance with an unlawful and evil regime.  Some people can live with that, and some people just. will. not. - like the Lifeguard friend.

Good you asked the question - I’m sure all of us ponder this scenario at times, given the degenerate nature of our society today.

Lemesee…..,

1. Immediate and unavoidable ✅ (yep, already happening),

2. danger of death or grave bodily injury ✅ (yep, victim restrained on the ground while being beaten by a mob),

3. to yourself or an innocent. ✅ (obviously).

Seems like yeah, justified.

But let’s look at it the other way, and say that, for fear of wrongful prosecution by the local Khmer Rouge, you don’t, and they kill your son (or anyone, for that matter).

You forever own the guilt of letting an innocent be killed via inaction in compliance with an unlawful and evil regime.  Some people can live with that, and some people just. will. not. - like the Lifeguard friend.

Good you asked the question - I’m sure all of us ponder this scenario at times, given the degenerate nature of our society today.

I'm sure somewhere in that mob were "good boys" that hung around the "wrong crowd" or made "wrong decision" but overall were good guys....

I'm sure somewhere in that mob were "good boys" that hung around the "wrong crowd" or made "wrong decision" but overall were good guys....

Yah sure, I know exactly what you mean.

I routinely target others for violence when I feel like it, and I consider myself to be decent chap once you get to know me

P.S. Never been in a one-on-one fight here.  It was always at least 4 who jumped me - so some things never change here.

That's called a Chimp Out. It's been popularized on social media by certain degenerate welfare-addicted ethnic groups and communist rent-a-riots in blue cities with revolving door justice systems.
The attackers are all fairly certain they will get off because if it ever goes before a judge they will say the magic social justice words that grant them leniency and a license for mayhem.

This video made me reconsider my plans for a wheel gun. Small frames are much more convenient to carry, but five shots are clearly not enough to escape/rescue a love one from a Chimp Out.
The chimps abandon honor and humanity, preferring to attack from the back like wild animals. Surviving without someone else on 6 could likely involve rolling like Rittenhouse.

Somewhat agree.
Unless one of them were armed, I think they would scatter like the cockroaches they are when the first flash of "loud light" came on.

   My local  (Kahalu'u  to Northshore) facebook is on fire with this almost as much as the rock chucker.
Photos are out, some identified three arrested. CRU assisted in the identification and arrest of three juvenile suspects for Kidnapping and Assault offenses.
Additional arrests are anticipated.
My question is whose determined that they be charged with “assault” vs 2nd degree attempted murder?

My local  (Kahalu'u  to Northshore) facebook is on fire with this almost as much as the rock chucker.
Photos are out, some identified three arrested. CRU assisted in the identification and arrest of three juvenile suspects for Kidnapping and Assault offenses.
Additional arrests are anticipated.
My question is whose determined that they be charged with “assault” vs 2nd degree attempted murder?

Certain high profile cases get attention like the California road rage guy, but it's the steady beat of "decline to prosecute" violent assaults give a green light to the chimps.

https://www.kitv.com/news/crime/honolulu-prosecutors-office-declines-to-file-charges-against-suspect-in-laie-assault-case/article_c9298706-11d9-11ed-a74f-d3717fde00d3.html

That's called a Chimp Out. It's been popularized on social media by certain degenerate welfare-addicted ethnic groups and communist rent-a-riots in blue cities with revolving door justice systems.
The attackers are all fairly certain they will get off because if it ever goes before a judge they will say the magic social justice words that grant them leniency and a license for mayhem.

This video made me reconsider my plans for a wheel gun. Small frames are much more convenient to carry, but five shots are clearly not enough to escape/rescue a love one from a Chimp Out.
The chimps abandon honor and humanity, preferring to attack from the back like wild animals. Surviving without someone else on 6 could likely involve rolling like Rittenhouse.

This incident, and the ongoing trend of this "chimping out" crap has got me thinking. If we are in a society that doesn't permit or makes it "difficult" for us to carry our firearms, as well as the prospect of
ammo capacity vs likelihood of jamming during a wrestling match with more than five individuals; its got me thinking we need a different type of weapon for this type of scenario. What if we could carry
smoke bombs, ie like ninjas. It doesn't have to have an explosive component just has to burst quickly, disperse a thick vision-distorting smoke on demand that could fill a room, work in all lighting
conditions and blind a group of attackers long enough for you to wrestle, shove, punch, kick etc. your way out of danger. It could have potential for getting out of political riot situations as well.

No noxious fumes to backfire on you as you are making your escape and if the enemies cant see they can't harm you effectively.

Certain high profile cases get attention like the California road rage guy, but it's the steady beat of "decline to prosecute" violent assaults give a green light to the chimps.

https://www.kitv.com/news/crime/honolulu-prosecutors-office-declines-to-file-charges-against-suspect-in-laie-assault-case/article_c9298706-11d9-11ed-a74f-d3717fde00d3.html

This, this is the reason crime is getting out of control! If they punish these youths and punish them severely. Lock em up throw away the key, let the cops baton them in the nose while in custody,
let the resident inmates have free reign to brutally beat them down etc. then you will see fear enter their souls and make them think twice before they decide to engage in anti-social behavior.

This liberal approach to "criminal justice reform" might as well be called "criminal justice empowerment" Pass federal legislation that allows the federal government (no meddling crooked state boards)
to disbar judges who release violent criminals back on the streets and commit more violent crime. Example; If a murderer gets out and murders again, that judge could be disbarred and arrested for being
an accessory to another murder! Put these liberal f@#%wits in the hotseat and force them to take accountability for every God d@mned case they oversee!




...that and start criminally charging the folks who stand by and videotape the assault with their phones for social media clout, charge them with accessory to the assault! That will give the spineless wimps
something to think about before they reach into their pockets for likes and 5 minutes of fame!

if the mob was attacking a monk seal guaranz all of them would be in jail by now.

Did something happen prior to the 15 yr. old getting mob attacked?

Or is this a thing nowadays.  Pick somebody, anybody, then do a tik tok attack post.

if you were a father witnessing your son getting pummeled like that and you were armed...justified?

I don't care if it was justified or not.  It's happening.  People are going down.  I'll worry about the justification later.  Especially here in Hawaii.  Justice doesn't exist.  My loved one's lives are worth more than mine.

it's ok to attack a monk seal to protect a sea turtle...

if the mob was attacking a monk seal guaranz all of them would be in jail by now.

I cringe when I hear this case described as one of road rage. It gives the term a bad name.
What occurred in that Waikele parking lot was purely and simply evil. The assault was a
reminder of the darkness in the hearts and souls of those who live among us. The only option
is for our law enforcement officials to do their No. 1 job and separate these lawless rogues
from the law-abiding public.

Anything short of that is to sanction such behavior.

https://archives.midweek.com/content/columns/ace_article/a_vicious_attack_not_road_rage/

A man already infamous for violent road rage attacks has learned his fate after a frightening
confrontation in Hawaii, where he attacked a mother and her teenage daughter while they
were practicing parallel parking.

https://thedailycrime.org/2026/05/23/road-rage-driver-attacked-mom-and-teen-daughter-during-parking-lesson/

A jury has found the man accused in a triple stabbing on the H-1 Freeway in 2016 guilty of
attempted murder and two counts of assault.

Mark Char was accused of attacking the victims following a road rage incident.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/03/01/suspect-triple-stabbing-h-freeway-found-guilty-attempted-murder-assault/

There is literally no end to the number of stories in Hawaii where people inflict serious injury on others for no reason other than being yelled at after they almost cause an accident, or because they get pissed that someone accidentally damaged their vehicle.

If you know this, it's justifiable to believe that someone threatening or engaging in violence is potentially going to do the same to you.

If you add the mob element, it's a well-known fact that most people will be incited to act in a group who share the same feelings than an individual acting alone will.

Someone doesn't have to try to kill you or someone else for self defense to be justified.  Potentially causing severe injury is enough to use lethal force.  This is not a sporting event where having an "unfair" advantage over the attacker must be penalized.  I think a fair warning like, "Stop or I WILL shoot you!" is sporting enough.

The continued kicks to the head by the mob was a clear sign that deadly force could be used to save the person.  But you may not know who started the fight, possibly hit the victim, and you could be subject to lawsuits even if you're right.

 A better option would be to use the large can of pepper spray to hose down the area when the fight started and have a gun incase they draw a gun or knife on you.

I wonder what the motive for the fight was.  If it was a disagreement then normally past practice was two people fight it out one on one and they'd stop fighting when someone gave up.  There would be respect on both sides.  If it was a robbery they'd beat someone up, steal stuff, then take off.   I guess this was a gang related fight as they posted it online to use it as an example for their competition.

For the other stories, I don't like the term road rage as it makes an excuse for their behavior.  Same is true for hate crimes, crimes against police and old people, etc.  It should be treated equally and just called violence or assault.

The continued kicks to the head by the mob was a clear sign that deadly force could be used to save the person.  But you may not know who started the fight, possibly hit the victim, and you could be subject to lawsuits even if you're right.

 A better option would be to use the large can of pepper spray to hose down the area when the fight started and have a gun incase they draw a gun or knife on you.

Why does it matter who started the attack?  Anyone participating becomes a threat.

Take out the one who's the most immediate threat and the others will likely scatter.

The person shot may not have instigated it, but they sure could be the one that inflicts the fatal blow/kick.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/video/2026/06/04/covering-cost-cost-incarceration-hawaiis-prison-system/

According to DCR, 6.7 percent of the state’s jail population describe themselves as homeless or having no permanent address. About 30% of those held in OCCC are Native Hawaiian. One in five are held for technical parole violations, not new crimes.

Every legislative session, Brady lobbies lawmakers and other officials to address system inequities and push for policies that ensure humane treatment of those in jails and prisons. Among those lawmakers passed this past session involve SNAP benefits for certain releasees, criminal record expungement for those convicted of violations, and keeping those convicted of non-violent misdemeanors out of deportation proceedings.

She believes officials should fund programs that address the root problems that lead to incarceration, such as homelessness and mental health issues.

those people will never lear.

Why does it matter who started the attack?  Anyone participating becomes a threat.

Take out the one who's the most immediate threat and the others will likely scatter.

The person shot may not have instigated it, but they sure could be the one that inflicts the fatal blow/kick.

Makes a lot of sense.

Another possibility is to come in hot in your vehicle (assuming this is an option), brights on, horn blaring, to disperse them, or at least distract them from their victim.

Exit armed ordering them to disperse.

If some continue the assault, then proceed with what you suggest.

Since these are real events on our island that any one of us could be witness to, I believe it’s of benefit to throw out suggestions with respect to how to best respond.

We’re all just regular guys here, not John Wick (and John Wick isn’t even John Wick, for that matter….).