Could the Kingdom of Hawaii provide better 2A protections? (Read 13036 times)

nf9648

Re: Could the Kingdom of Hawaii provide better 2A protections?
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2013, 06:16:28 PM »
When I come back to Hawaii next visit Im gonna become the new Monarch.  Class III for all, vote for me!

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Re: Could the Kingdom of Hawaii provide better 2A protections?
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2013, 06:51:17 PM »
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bass monkey

Re: Could the Kingdom of Hawaii provide better 2A protections?
« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2013, 07:15:17 PM »
I would highly recommend visiting an Indian reservation before you start advocating for the same deal the Indians got.  Sure, they get free stuff from the government; but they also get chronic alcoholism, high unemployment, a sky-high suicide rate, and all the other trappings that go along with living on handouts.  Indian reservations bring all the joys of the inner city to the rural countryside, and for the exact same reason--welfare is toxic to its recipients.

this is true. females also have the highest rate of sexual assault, and the list goes on and on.  Casinos were the best worst thing that every happened to them.  that along with fire water.


also of note, like i mentioned earlier, other people have fought for their lands.  another point of interest though is the people had equal leverage to the government for negotiations.
native americans had treaties with the government since the dawn of time. the government would just push them around as they saw fit, gold here, prime lands there.  as someone explained to me, after waring with the tribes for so long and so many treaties, reservations were the outcome. forced? maybe, but they thought they was getting a deal.

also for alaska, the reason they had their tribes/nation within a nation whatever they got was because of the alaskan oil pipeline. the people have/had a vested interest in the land, always will till you die. the pipeline wouldnt have been built and their would have been to much conflict. how do you get people to give up their claim? allow them their nation or whatever makes them think they got the better deal.

i dont think honestly hawaii has any leverage right now.  i could be wrong though. 

as far as the public figures go, i would have to agree about the ones portrayed on the news.  they never show the smart intellectual ones that are knowledgeable ones. those are usually the ones that get killed/assassinated/go missing

clshade

Re: Could the Kingdom of Hawaii provide better 2A protections?
« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2013, 08:18:02 PM »
Oh, a unified sovereignty effort would have legal leverage. As mentioned earlier the UN has ruled against the United States' occupation of Hawaii several times and the US has officially apologized twice.

There are only 2 problems: the sovereignty movement is anything but unified and there is no power on earth that can (or would) force the US to relinquish possession - or even pay its back bills that are already due to the Kingdom.

Which, I might add, should give you some insight into why so many parties are interested in being the official Kingdom.

bass monkey

Re: Could the Kingdom of Hawaii provide better 2A protections?
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2013, 09:07:09 PM »
Oh, a unified sovereignty effort would have legal leverage. As mentioned earlier the UN has ruled against the United States' occupation of Hawaii several times and the US has officially apologized twice.

There are only 2 problems: the sovereignty movement is anything but unified and there is no power on earth that can (or would) force the US to relinquish possession - or even pay its back bills that are already due to the Kingdom.

Which, I might add, should give you some insight into why so many parties are interested in being the official Kingdom.


thats true. no matter how many times they apologize, like you said, no power on earth can or would make the us change their mind, and thats with the UN ruling.  not gonna happen.
me, i just keep the culture alive, thats how i ku'e

clshade

Re: Could the Kingdom of Hawaii provide better 2A protections?
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2013, 09:37:47 PM »
ho'o manawa nui   :shaka:

Surf

Re: Could the Kingdom of Hawaii provide better 2A protections?
« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2013, 10:29:50 AM »
Are you embarrassed for the people because of the lack of speaking skills or lack of knowledge of the subject?  Please elaborate.  If so maybe the movement can find better spokesmen with a little help. 

   From my perspective; there is a lack of education here in Hawaii with regard to how government is supposed to work and I am going to add some constructive comments that our basic school system here has failed our kids and that is partially the fault of the parents and a larger blame can be laid at the feet of the Democratic Party here in Hawaii.  A lot of people are not aware that the history of the Communist Party of Hawaii in the 1950's were involved a takeover of the Plantaion labor, local governments, and the school system and ultimatly some of those people became prominant members of the CURRENT Democratic Party.  ....Frank Marshall Davis was insrumental in promoting Marxism here in Hawaii and was one of Obama's biggest influences...... Flame Suit ON.

This is not a simple question, so I will not give a simple answer.  I will only answer part 1 of the question and will ignore part 2. 

I have great pride in my heritage, racial extractions / ethnicity and my nationality.  While I believe more can be done for the Native Hawaiian peoples, I accept where we are in this time and the reality of our Statehood.  I am proud to be Hawaiian and proud to be American.  I love the Hawaiian people and I enjoy living in an area that is predominantly people of Hawaiian decent.  While I take great pride in my culture and the true beauty of our islands and Native Hawaiian people, there is no denying the ugliness that exists among us.  I know, I just need to walk down my street and see it all.  From the great aunties and uncles that I have known since childhood that are the epitome of the true meaning of Pono and Aloha all the way to the dirtbag drug dealing / drug abusing / alcoholic / wife beating / child abusing / welfare abusing losers.  Yes this is a social problem that extends beyond the boundaries of the Hawaiian people, however I will not stick my head in the sand and deny that we as Hawaiians seem to be a bit more socially problematic than others.  I am not proud of the "I am owed something" so I have the right to be lazy attitude that infects pockets of our community.  It is an excuse.  They can chose an apathetic life, bitch, moan and make excuses for being a lazy drug using POS, or they can be productive for themselves, their family, community, culture and enrich who we are as a people. 

I was raised in more than one place my entire childhood and young life.  Homestead one third of the year, the other two thirds on the mainland.  I see things from wide spectrum of backgrounds or viewpoints and I like to think I have an informed opinion that comes from this varied upbringing.  I definitely have strong convictions and I know where my heart lies.  I love my Hawaiian heritage and I love my country.  When returning full time to Hawaii I decided to try to dedicate my life to the residents of this State, Hawaiian and non-Hawaiian alike in an attempt to make a difference.  I gave up a lot financially perhaps, but I am rich in my beliefs and my life and my family.  My family is deeply rooted in its cape wearing Hawaiian societies and I have spent time as a child caring for the Royal Mausoleums, so yes, I am a more than a bit particular when I see certain individuals making certain claims and attempting to speak on behalf of the Hawaiian people.  My offense often comes from the the hypocrisy that they show in their everyday life, when they truly do not practice what they preach as I am often privy to a lot of information.  This I must add does not pertain to all who speak, but often times the bad apples often spoil the proverbial bunch.  And as is often seen, those few bad apples often find a way to be in front of the camera.  No one is perfect and I surely fit into that category, however when peoples intentions and heart are just, I find no embarrassment in their words, or perhaps their lack of communication or speaking skills.  Their heart tends to communicate what their words may lack and they will touch those who are listening.  Those who's intentions and hearts are not just, they will wear it on their sleeve, both in life and especially in front of a camera.

Aloha,
Surf

lippy laroux

Re: Could the Kingdom of Hawaii provide better 2A protections?
« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2013, 10:39:18 AM »
Interesting perspective and well said.. You appear to have what it takes to speak with authority and with credibility on the subject. We need more like you.

macsak

Re: Could the Kingdom of Hawaii provide better 2A protections?
« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2013, 10:50:57 AM »
great answer
i admire your thoughts and actions

i remember years ago, when one of the news station showed a clip of i believe haunani trask smoking a cigarette and flicking the but on the ground
they even went as far as to loop it, so that the butt was going back and forth from her hand to the ground
http://2ahawaii.com/Smileys/extended/shake.gif

This is not a simple question, so I will not give a simple answer.  I will only answer part 1 of the question and will ignore part 2. 

I have great pride in my heritage, racial extractions / ethnicity and my nationality.  While I believe more can be done for the Native Hawaiian peoples, I accept where we are in this time and the reality of our Statehood.  I am proud to be Hawaiian and proud to be American.  I love the Hawaiian people and I enjoy living in an area that is predominantly people of Hawaiian decent.  While I take great pride in my culture and the true beauty of our islands and Native Hawaiian people, there is no denying the ugliness that exists among us.  I know, I just need to walk down my street and see it all.  From the great aunties and uncles that I have known since childhood that are the epitome of the true meaning of Pono and Aloha all the way to the dirtbag drug dealing / drug abusing / alcoholic / wife beating / child abusing / welfare abusing losers.  Yes this is a social problem that extends beyond the boundaries of the Hawaiian people, however I will not stick my head in the sand and deny that we as Hawaiians seem to be a bit more socially problematic than others.  I am not proud of the "I am owed something" so I have the right to be lazy attitude that infects pockets of our community.  It is an excuse.  They can chose an apathetic life, bitch, moan and make excuses for being a lazy drug using POS, or they can be productive for themselves, their family, community, culture and enrich who we are as a people. 

I was raised in more than one place my entire childhood and young life.  Homestead one third of the year, the other two thirds on the mainland.  I see things from wide spectrum of backgrounds or viewpoints and I like to think I have an informed opinion that comes from this varied upbringing.  I definitely have strong convictions and I know where my heart lies.  I love my Hawaiian heritage and I love my country.  When returning full time to Hawaii I decided to try to dedicate my life to the residents of this State, Hawaiian and non-Hawaiian alike in an attempt to make a difference.  I gave up a lot financially perhaps, but I am rich in my beliefs and my life and my family.  My family is deeply rooted in its cape wearing Hawaiian societies and I have spent time as a child caring for the Royal Mausoleums, so yes, I am a more than a bit particular when I see certain individuals making certain claims and attempting to speak on behalf of the Hawaiian people.  My offense often comes from the the hypocrisy that they show in their everyday life, when they truly do not practice what they preach as I am often privy to a lot of information.  This I must add does not pertain to all who speak, but often times the bad apples often spoil the proverbial bunch.  And as is often seen, those few bad apples often find a way to be in front of the camera.  No one is perfect and I surely fit into that category, however when peoples intentions and heart are just, I find no embarrassment in their words, or perhaps their lack of communication or speaking skills.  Their heart tends to communicate what their words may lack and they will touch those who are listening.  Those who's intentions and hearts are not just, they will wear it on their sleeve, both in life and especially in front of a camera.

Aloha,
Surf