HPD, particularly,  the guys at the firearms window, have nothing at all to do with all this bull shit. The energy should be directed in a direction that matters. The legislature is the direction. If an organized, concerted effort is not made, NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE. .

No matter what happens,  I hope it gets done soon. Those lines are ridiculous.

Online pre-registration.  Pick and choose certain times to come in. Whatever can be done to get the ball rolling.  Most of that paperwork can be filled out before we even get there.

Great idea.  Apple store does it.

HPD, particularly,  the guys at the firearms window, have nothing at all to do with all this bull shit. The energy should be directed in a direction that matters. The legislature is the direction. If an organized, concerted effort is not made, NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE.

Exactly...I have said similar comments in several other threads. Everyone should be a registered voter and the 2a community should have a well organized, concentrated effort to vote some of these legislators out of office. Even if we fall short in some efforts, it will send a clear message to these boneheads every time they cast a vote that potentially infringes on our constitutional rights, that it can and will impact their reelection prospects if gun owners are adversely affected and in disagrement with their position..

Conversely, legislators we want to keep in office, we should provide the same level of effort to keep them. I will use Bob McDermott (R), State Representative, District 40, as an example since I personally know him, although he doesn't represent my district. He is a huge gun advocate and fully supports the 2a, and has voted in support of our position on the various bills. He won in 2012 by 142 votes, 3249 to 3107. That is extremely close and I would suggest gun owners and/or 2a supporters in his district ensure they vote to keep him in office.

Some of these races are very close and I believe we can make a difference via this forum and spreading the word through other venues, but the key is an organized effort as Heavies stated. This community puts a great deal of effort discussing and vetting the various gun bills and provides subsequent testimony supporting our position. That same level of energy, if not more, should also be focused on elections. Then there is the Hawaii gun organizations, gun clubs and gun shops that have a dog in this race too. We have absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain. Complaining is just that, whining with no action...elections is the only way to make an impact and potentially change the political dynamics in Hawaii. Just my 2 cents on the matter.

HPD, particularly,  the guys at the firearms window, have nothing at all to do with all this bull shit. The energy should be directed in a direction that matters. The legislature is the direction. If an organized, concerted effort is not made, NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE. .

true, but im sure the higher ups in HPD are apart of it at some level.

true, but im sure the higher ups in HPD are apart of it at some level.

Probably a true statement but orders come from the top. In this case a chief who is well aware of the media coverage about the long lines and cumbersome process, and is in bed with the democratic party, and who refuses to issue ccw permits to anyone other than the very select few that are connected. They could easily change the process if the chief directed them to do so and still satisfy all the requirements, but he does not want to make life easier for gun owners and that is obvious.

why officers for the registration window? can they use civilian workers? can they use that records window since its so empty all the time?

true, but im sure the higher ups in HPD are apart of it at some level.

Definitely a big part of it.   The legislature passes the laws but the executive branch decides how to execute them.  HPD, who reports to the mayor,  makes decisions about procedures, manpower, etc.  I think an appeal to the mayor may have better results and may be more expedient.  Note the different procedures on Hilo vs Honolulu.  This is pure executive branch stuff.  Same law, different execution.

If we must register !  Have it done at the gun shops like some states,when you purchase .

abolish registry and permits. any system which keeps track of who is asking for permission to have a gun a pseudo registration.

we need to start making people ask about how much this registry is costing the taxpayers each year for it to stop zero crimes and diverting the police from actually serving the community. ask how many people were stopped from getting a permit that wouldn't have already been stopped by a NICS check. we also need to demand why the permit system isn't considered a violation of our 5th amendment rights.

The StarAdvertiser printed a Letter to the Editor on this today.
Letter advocates allowing registration at multiple police stations ( actually says any police station with a tape measure, typewriter and internet connection.)
It also pointed out the thousands of work hours that are being wasted in line at HPD.

At the minimum, they should have registration at both Kapolei and Downtown.       (Pearl City would nice too.)

abolish registry and permits. any system which keeps track of who is asking for permission to have a gun a pseudo registration.

we need to start making people ask about how much this registry is costing the taxpayers each year for it to stop zero crimes and diverting the police from actually serving the community. ask how many people were stopped from getting a permit that wouldn't have already been stopped by a NICS check. we also need to demand why the permit system isn't considered a violation of our 5th amendment rights.

Historically, registration has been permitted. The state needed to know upon whom they could call to bring arms. Additionally, while the permit system doesn't violate your fifth amendment rights, it does violate the rights of felons (as does the registration system).

In regards to yourself, what would you be self-incriminating, or how is the federal government seizing your stuff when you get a permit?

why officers for the registration window? can they use civilian workers? can they use that records window since its so empty all the time?

That's not what needs to be sped up.  What needs to be more efficient is the people doing the processing in the back, typing up the permits (really in today's age it's manual?), allow the public to fill out forms ahead of time, pre-check filled out forms ahead of time, etc.

That's not what needs to be sped up.  What needs to be more efficient is the people doing the processing in the back, typing up the permits (really in today's age it's manual?), allow the public to fill out forms ahead of time, pre-check filled out forms ahead of time, etc.

now thats a good idea that wouldnt really cost much more to do

In the private sector, doing nothing in the face of increased business, like permits and registration, is inexcusable. We all hear a local supermarket's slogan, "End long lines. We'll open another register if there's more than X in a current line."

I know they're a business and not a government office but look at one poster's comments about the process in Hilo: They place the permit forms for the public to take and fill out in ADVANCE, Why won't HPD allow this? It's a simple solution. A person who knows they want to apply for a permit can get the forms in ADVANCE and fill them out before they reach the window, saving themselves and others hours of having to wait in line. Or, they can have a friend pick up the forms for them. But, as one poster mention, HPD closely monitors these forms, only passing them out to those inside the service room. But why???

For registration, why not give the gunstore a supply of HPD's registration forms. The buyer can fill out the form during the purchase/firearm pickup process at the store. The dealer, or the buyer, can fax the completed registration form in ADVANCE. Once HPD receives it, they can type out the registration form in ADVANCE. The buyer then goes to HPD with the firearm for checking and to sign and pick up the registration. Many hours can be saved with these two simple fixes of passing out the HPD forms (permits and registration info) in ADVANCE.

The only cost to implement these fixes is printing more forms. You don't even have to hire more staff or pay overtime. Again, why not??? 

BRILLIANT !

Historically, registration has been permitted. The state needed to know upon whom they could call to bring arms. Additionally, while the permit system doesn't violate your fifth amendment rights, it does violate the rights of felons (as does the registration system).

In regards to yourself, what would you be self-incriminating, or how is the federal government seizing your stuff when you get a permit?

i'm not concerned about the self incrimination part f the 5th amendment but the part where the government is depriving us of our right to property. they're making us prove why we should be allowed to have firearms when it should the other way around.

............The only cost to implement these fixes is printing more forms. You don't even have to hire more staff or pay overtime. Again, why not??? 

Making this an easier process is well........easy.

IMHO the issue is the higher ups in HPD (as has been mentioned before) don't want to make things easier for the public.  It's not about that here on Oahu because there is no accountability.  If the Chiefs were elected officials as in the mainland, there would be direct accountability.

the mayor seems to be friendly to our cause, as he recently increased range hours
or i guess i should say restored range hours

The Mayor is friendly to our cause and the issue of the long lines and other registration issues was discussed. The problem is that the Chief of Police is the sole determiner of how the process goes. In other words, the Mayor could ask the Chief to modify the process, incorporating some of the very excellent suggestions mentioned here (especially having access to the forms, via computer or at gun shops, faxing in the completed forms in advance of your trip down there....) but has no authority to compel him to do so. Neither can the City Council, as the Chief only answers to the Police Commission....so, the question then becomes, especially in light of the fact that we know other police agencies in the State have made changes to the process, why won't he? Is it that he isn't aware of the problem or potential solutions, or does he just not want to? I would suggest that, based on the efforts to shorten the lines thus far, he knows about the problem, but isn't quite ready to do more.

So what can we do to help sway him to do more?

Hopefully they come up with a better solution. Im sure they hate the long lines as well