Most are people are pretty sure the chief of police knows about the long lines. After all, nearly all local news networks have run stories about this situation, along with the nice piece from Hawaii Reporter by Malia Zimmerman. A recent news article also mentioned HPD added at least another policeman to help at the firearms desk so he must know what's going on.

Since he knows the situation, it's pretty obvious that he doesn't want to do anything about it. After all, why would HPD want to make it easier for law abiding citizens to get guns? He's also hoping the problem "will take care of itself" and the lines will decrease. They sure have not.

I have to give kudos where it's deserved and offer a big thanks to Mayor Caldwell. He did a noteworthy thing for shooters and that's to reinstate normal hours at the Koko Head range starting in April. He even added the cameras to help people see the lines before going to satellite city halls for drivers license and state ID requests.

Looks like we're all waiting for the chief of police to at least talk about starting something to improve the long lines for firearms purchasers. But, I won't hold my breath.

The Mayor is friendly to our cause and the issue of the long lines and other registration issues was discussed. The problem is that the Chief of Police is the sole determiner of how the process goes. In other words, the Mayor could ask the Chief to modify the process, incorporating some of the very excellent suggestions mentioned here (especially having access to the forms, via computer or at gun shops, faxing in the completed forms in advance of your trip down there....) but has no authority to compel him to do so. Neither can the City Council, as the Chief only answers to the Police Commission....so, the question then becomes, especially in light of the fact that we know other police agencies in the State have made changes to the process, why won't he? Is it that he isn't aware of the problem or potential solutions, or does he just not want to? I would suggest that, based on the efforts to shorten the lines thus far, he knows about the problem, but isn't quite ready to do more.

So what can we do to help sway him to do more?

We have to remember that this is the same police chief who isnt even considering allowing any of the soon to be traded in issue guns, because he "doesnt want any more guns on the street", when every handgun purchase needs a separate permit, we have no gun crime whatsoever and we cant legally carry anyways, so technically, there never WILL be guns on the street outside of criminals.

Maybe we could start a mail in campaign to the chief of police citing our concern and possible  ways to fix the situation. If everyone that's in the databases mailed in that would be choke people

call me a pessimist, but i dont think our current police Chief would give a damn what any of us did.

"Squeaky wheel gets the oil"

.

call me a pessimist, but i dont think our current police Chief would give a damn what any of us did.

Pessimist nah, realist yes. IMO the chief is politically motivated and his agenda is in line with the democrat machine, so he has made a conscious decision not to improve efficiency with this process. This is low hanging fruit in any large public organization and something as simple as improving a troubled process while improving efficiency is something that typically a division or branch manager would have the authority to implement, as long as the legal requirements are satisfied. He is well aware of the negative impact and burden this imposes on gun owners but he is one of those bleeding heart liberals that believe less guns prevents and reduces crime, so he makes life as difficult as possible for law abiding gun owners to legally possess firearms.

I don't know how you get people like him to change their mindset unless the public outcry is so overwhelming to the point he can't ignore it or makes him look bad publicly. Like HiCarry mentioned, the Mayor could only make suggestions or recommendations to him but he's not obligated to act on any of them.

call me a pessimist, but i dont think our current police Chief would give a damn what any of us did.

 I agree he would probably do nothing if one or two of us voiced our opinions. However, if thousands of us did, it would be pretty hard to ignore. Strength is in numbers. Just saying.

the first thing we need to do is show up tomorrow at the range and support the mayor and the parks department for restoring range hours
a great showing, and thanking them personally will go a long way
be sure to tell them that you are a registered voter and that you are a 2a supporter!

I agree he would probably do nothing if one or two of us voiced our opinions. However, if thousands of us did, it would be pretty hard to ignore. Strength is in numbers. Just saying.

what about petitioning with the police commission?

waive signs outside the police station? hahaha

Maybe we could bug the news stations that already did a story on this to follow up, or get a statement from the chief or something.

I agree he would probably do nothing if one or two of us voiced our opinions. However, if thousands of us did, it would be pretty hard to ignore. Strength is in numbers. Just saying.

he already ignored thousands of us flooding the lines at HPD for the past 4 months, actually.

he doesnt give a shit.  or if he does, he actively hates us.

Pessimist nah, realist yes. IMO the chief is politically motivated and his agenda is in line with the democrat machine, so he has made a conscious decision not to improve efficiency with this process. This is low hanging fruit in any large public organization and something as simple as improving a troubled process while improving efficiency is something that typically a division or branch manager would have the authority to implement, as long as the legal requirements are satisfied. He is well aware of the negative impact and burden this imposes on gun owners but he is one of those bleeding heart liberals that believe less guns prevents and reduces crime, so he makes life as difficult as possible for law abiding gun owners to legally possess firearms.

I don't know how you get people like him to change their mindset unless the public outcry is so overwhelming to the point he can't ignore it or makes him look bad publicly. Like HiCarry mentioned, the Mayor could only make suggestions or recommendations to him but he's not obligated to act on any of them.

i hope one day, he is attacked, and a citizen comes to his rescue with a firearm and saves his life.

i hope one day, he is attacked, and a citizen comes to his rescue with a firearm and saves his life.

 That citizen is gonna have a whole lot of explaining to do about why the hell he was armed in public.

That citizen is gonna have a whole lot of explaining to do about why the hell he was armed in public.

this is assuming that the current Case goes well, actually.

.

He can call 911

And wait the minutes while he has seconds

And wait the minutes while he has seconds

of course, he is a cop, he's probably carrying.


who's willing to bet he never fires his guns?

And wait the minutes while he has seconds

 Correction.  Wait half an hour while he has seconds