I want a CCW permit.

I was kinda wondering if HPD is still shredding every application without even reading it.

I was kinda wondering if HPD is still shredding every application without even reading it.

is Kealoha still the police chief?

I want a CCW permit.

You should apply for one the next time you register a firearm....all you need is two passport photos, I'm going to. I think the more people that apply, the better!

From what I understand they aren't shredding them because people are still receiving denial notices. Which would make me assume that there is still some sort of recorded process the paperwork goes through.....I could be wrong though.

On the Big Island we have a saying about CCW. Apply to deny. Keep trying ladies and germs. It CANNOT hurt us God Bless all you knuckleheads.

I want a CCW permit.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but it will never happen. CCW in hawaii is like Santa Claus. You hope and wish that it was real yet you will alway be disappointed at the end of the day.

Although I havent applied for CC yet what criteria are they basing their denial on?  Just the fact that they have the option to apply should overide any denial based upon the second 2A.  If anything; the first time a denied person is subject to a crime or personal injury should allow standing to sue the living crap out of the government for damages.

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Although I havent applied for CC yet what criteria are they basing their denial on?  Just the fact that they have the option to apply should overide any denial based upon the second 2A.  If anything; the first time a denied person is subject to a crime or personal injury should allow standing to sue the living crap out of the government for damages.

the criteria is that Kealoha is an anti gun douchebag.

There's an actual HPD CCW application form at the window now?

The criteria is that there are more non-Communists, both by raw numbers and as a percentage of the total, in China's Peoples' Congress than there are Republicans in Hawaii's state legislature.  The takeaway is that Hawaii voters are more fond of a one-party system than are the Communist Chinese.  If folks would stop voting Democrat, things might turn around, but we all know that's less realistic than the tortured dreams of an opium addict.

There's an actual HPD CCW application form at the window now?

It's not at the window. I believe you have to ask for it, you know, so they can keep track of the forms and make sure they are in numerical order and whatnot

I wouldn't be too harsh on Kealoha. At least not specifically. I don't think the policy really comes directly from him. I know that the police here on the BI are plenty gun friendly but they aren't the ones setting policy.

The whole of the state government is more derived in character from Japan than it is from the US and is predisposed to concentrate authority to itself. Not maliciously, just consistently - more about stability and predictability than about authoritarian control or what is "right." Its BS, but its kind of like a union job: the police are in charge of safety so no one else should even try to help. It isn't "right" but it is predictable and stable.

The other factor is pressure from the HTA and the fact that tourism is our #1 industry. Hawaii consistently ranks in the top 10 safest states and HTA doesn't want to do anything that might change that or the perception of it. The police chiefs may well understand that armed citizens are safer citizens but if they start granting CCW's they will be out on their arses in a heartbeat.

One other thing I've heard but have no way to verify is that organized crime here in Hawaii is fairly well entrenched. The heavies in the organization tend to be in professions that allow CCW, many from the same families that tend to populate HPD. Not the same people, but the same families. Think yakuza instead of mafia. So between the police and the organized criminals having the only weapons on the streets, the less predictable small time criminals don't stand much of a chance. Predictable and stable even if it isn't "right."

Things are simply NOT likely to change. No one that matters is interested in armed citizens and our feelings on the matter are largely irrelevant to them.

I wouldn't be too harsh on Kealoha. At least not specifically. I don't think the policy really comes directly from him. I know that the police here on the BI are plenty gun friendly but they aren't the ones setting policy.

The whole of the state government is more derived in character from Japan than it is from the US and is predisposed to concentrate authority to itself. Not maliciously, just consistently - more about stability and predictability than about authoritarian control or what is "right." Its BS, but its kind of like a union job: the police are in charge of safety so no one else should even try to help. It isn't "right" but it is predictable and stable.

The other factor is pressure from the HTA and the fact that tourism is our #1 industry. Hawaii consistently ranks in the top 10 safest states and HTA doesn't want to do anything that might change that or the perception of it. The police chiefs may well understand that armed citizens are safer citizens but if they start granting CCW's they will be out on their arses in a heartbeat.

One other thing I've heard but have no way to verify is that organized crime here in Hawaii is fairly well entrenched. The heavies in the organization tend to be in professions that allow CCW, many from the same families that tend to populate HPD. Not the same people, but the same families. Think yakuza instead of mafia. So between the police and the organized criminals having the only weapons on the streets, the less predictable small time criminals don't stand much of a chance. Predictable and stable even if it isn't "right."

Things are simply NOT likely to change. No one that matters is interested in armed citizens and our feelings on the matter are largely irrelevant to them.

perhaps.

but when he says that he would rather destroy the multitude of police issue firearms than allow them to be sold to the public, in a state with no concealed carry, where registration is mandatory, and we have more in depth background checks than anywhere in the nations, as well as virtually no gun crime, because he doesnt want to "put more guns on the streets", it seems pretty clear to me that he's either a personally or politically motivated anti gun douche bag.

especially when they are essentially throwing away at least half a million + the cost of the destruction just to do that.

Yeah, I'm not wholeheartedly defending the guy. Just putting his position into context.

Its the same context that our pro-gun attempts vanish into - which is pretty much the only reason I mention it.

I wouldn't be too harsh on Kealoha. At least not specifically. I don't think the policy really comes directly from him. I know that the police here on the BI are plenty gun friendly but they aren't the ones setting policy.

The whole of the state government is more derived in character from Japan than it is from the US and is predisposed to concentrate authority to itself. Not maliciously, just consistently - more about stability and predictability than about authoritarian control or what is "right." Its BS, but its kind of like a union job: the police are in charge of safety so no one else should even try to help. It isn't "right" but it is predictable and stable.

The other factor is pressure from the HTA and the fact that tourism is our #1 industry. Hawaii consistently ranks in the top 10 safest states and HTA doesn't want to do anything that might change that or the perception of it. The police chiefs may well understand that armed citizens are safer citizens but if they start granting CCW's they will be out on their arses in a heartbeat.

One other thing I've heard but have no way to verify is that organized crime here in Hawaii is fairly well entrenched. The heavies in the organization tend to be in professions that allow CCW, many from the same families that tend to populate HPD. Not the same people, but the same families. Think yakuza instead of mafia. So between the police and the organized criminals having the only weapons on the streets, the less predictable small time criminals don't stand much of a chance. Predictable and stable even if it isn't "right."

Things are simply NOT likely to change. No one that matters is interested in armed citizens and our feelings on the matter are largely irrelevant to them.

+1 I agree with clshade's assessment of the situation in Hawaii.

Yeah, I'm not wholeheartedly defending the guy. Just putting his position into context.

Its the same context that our pro-gun attempts vanish into - which is pretty much the only reason I mention it.

the only reason i mentioned him by name is because, ultimately, he could decide to issue permits, but wont.

there are no doubt many many other factors, but the decision does ultimately rest with him.

as for whether things will change, well, they wont, at least not through our legislature.

the courts are a different matter, though.  the 9th circuit sucks, but there is a far better chance there.

the courts are a different matter, though.  the 9th circuit sucks, but there is a far better chance there.

Apparently you don't know much about the 9th circuit and their view on guns. CCW ain't happening....

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I'd be interested to see what HiCarry says about this. Got to get the digs in while we have a 2A friendly person in office.  To me this is the test.