Oh bradda.

Oh Braddah!! 

Defend Hawaii
Just curious ...what firearms do you currently own?

Okay, just for a little more information, why did you decide to post this thread?

Is it just to say that concealed carry permit holders commit crimes too?

States with higher gun ownership rates and weak gun laws have the highest rates of overall gun death according to a new analysis by the Violence Policy Center (VPC) of just-released 2007 national data (the most recent available) from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s National Center for Injury Prevention and Control.

The analysis reveals that the five states with the highest per capita gun death rates were Louisiana, Mississippi, Alaska, Alabama, and Nevada. Each of these states had a per capita gun death rate far exceeding the national per capita gun death rate of 10.34 per 100,000 for 2007. Each of the top-ranking states has lax gun laws and higher gun ownership rates. By contrast, states with strong gun laws and low rates of gun ownership had far lower rates of firearm-related death. Ranking last in the nation for gun death was Hawaii, followed by Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and New York.

States with "weak" gun laws as those that add little or nothing to federal restrictions and have permissive laws governing the open or concealed carrying of firearms in public. States with "strong" gun laws were defined as those that add significant state regulation in addition to federal law, such as restricting access to particularly hazardous types of firearms (for example, assault weapons), setting minimum safety standards for firearms and/or requiring a permit to purchase a firearm, and restrictive laws governing the open and concealed carrying of firearms in public. State gun ownership rates were obtained from the September 2005 Pediatrics article “Prevalence of Household Firearms and Firearm-Storage Practices in the 50 States and the District of Columbia: Findings From the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System, 2002,” which is the most up-to-date, comprehensive source for state gun ownership rates

Good enough for me!!!

So why does places like DC and Chicago have such high murder rates?

That study is BS.  It shows absolutely nothing.  Of course more guns present will cause more gun deaths.  Just like more cars on the road = more accidents.

So which anti-CCW persona is really you? The intelligent, polite persona who cites references and can debate in an adult manner or the childish, disrespectful one who has been posting useless garbage? Please clear this up. I think we're all confused as to why you're really here and what your agenda is. I have my theories but I'll keep them to myself and see if they pan out.

Well isn't this funny, you went from a 2nd Amendment believer to a Brady Campaign/VPC spokesman. I guess that about says it all. Where do California and Maryland rank on those lists of yours?

For anyone interested the VPC's statistics lump suicides in with the lot. Not very related to your personal safety now, is it.
The good news: VPC is trying to reduce suicides
The bad news: There are many better ways than through gun control

There are good and bad people in this world. Bad people don't follow laws. Police officer to civilian ratio isn't 1 to 1 obviously....we can't pull a police officer out of our pocket or handbag as needed. There's only one reason to keep " guns" away from good people...aaaaaahhhhhh DING! Control...

So which anti-CCW persona is really you? The intelligent, polite persona who cites references and can debate in an adult manner or the childish, disrespectful one who has been posting useless garbage? Please clear this up. I think we're all confused as to why you're really here and what your agenda is. I have my theories but I'll keep them to myself and see if they pan out.

He's cut and past *OTHER* peoples gun arguments, and still doesn't demonstrate a knowledge or understanding of the topics contained therein. As far as the VPC statistics goes, you could probably thank Asian culture for suicide being a total disgrace.

My Opinion:   TROLL

If he wants to play THAT game.  Disprove this Web Site:  Texas Department of Public Safety.  They issue the CCW permits AND they have kept Records of EVERY violation made by a Permittee since inception
in 1996 to 2007.  Because of the justice system, Reports come out 2 years afterwards.

This is CCW permittees versus the General Texas population.

          http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/convrates.htm

Florida, one of the First, if Not the First state to go SHALL issue, report showed that the CCW people had a Better gun safety record than Maiami-Dade PD.

Vermont and Alaska do NOT normally issue CCW permits.  Only to residents who travel out of state and need "papers".  Both are so trouble free that No Permit to CCW is issued.

Minnesota went CCW in one week from the time it was introduced into the legislature.  Zipped thru House, Senate and Governor in one Week.

At least 42 states are SHALL ISSUE, if CCW were Sooo BAD as the TROLL Claims why are there so many SHALL ISSUE states and Not May issue like Hawaii?

For the Record 36 states allow ownership of FULL AUTO firearms AND Sound Surpressors.  Ownership of FA and Supressors Must be Approved by the Chief Law Enforcement Officer
of that particular jurisdiction.   Considering How Many private citizens own supressors and Full Auto, a lot of Chiefs must be OK with citizens in their jurisdiction owning Supressed Full Auto Firearms.
Look at how many Full Auto Machine Gun shoot there are all over the US. From  Tennessee to Oregon to Texas.

IF FA and supressors were legal in Hawaii, the Wife would own a Sgt Saunder's type Thompson SMG just for kicks and giggles.
I'd have me a Beretta 93R. 
BTW, Beretta's e store is selling Genuine Beretta 92/93, 20 and 30 round magazines, On Sale.  Too bad they're a No No here in Hawaii.
   Best mags for the 92 seires Beretta, 

PS:  Next time I want to photograph Night Blooming Cerus flowers can I ask for a Police Escort and NOT  a Special Duty Officer.  After Mau-Gefredo we are in fear of our
        personal safety.  I can get a Permit from the City Transportation Department, Street Usage Section for All of Tanatalus Drive.

Defend Hawaii
Just curious ...what firearms do you currently own?

An honest question gets an honest answer.

I am a registered gun owner in the State of Hawaii.

Currently I own 3 pistol, a shotgun and a rifle.


Yes folks i am a gun owner who is against CCW!!!!

Okay, just for a little more information, why did you decide to post this thread?

Is it just to say that concealed carry permit holders commit crimes too?

No Sir.

So why does places like DC and Chicago have such high murder rates?

That study is BS.  It shows absolutely nothing.  Of course more guns present will cause more gun deaths.  Just like more cars on the road = more accidents.

Thank You we agree on something

Quote from: stegosaurus on December 23, 2010, 03:30:42 PM

So which anti-CCW persona is really you? The intelligent, polite persona who cites references and can debate in an adult manner or the childish, disrespectful one who has been posting useless garbage? Please clear this up. I think we're all confused as to why you're really here and what your agenda is. I have my theories but I'll keep them to myself and see if they pan out.

He's cut and past *OTHER* peoples gun arguments, and still doesn't demonstrate a knowledge or understanding of the topics contained therein. As far as the VPC statistics goes, you could probably thank[b]  asian culture [/b] for suicide being a total disgrace.

And you say that i am a racsit and sterotype people

There are good and bad people in this world. Bad people don't follow laws. Police officer to civilian ratio isn't 1 to 1 obviously....we can't pull a police officer out of our pocket or handbag as needed. There's only one reason to keep " guns" away from good people...aaaaaahhhhhh DING! Control...

There is no credible evidence that "right-to-carry" laws, which allow qualified adults to carry concealed handguns, either decrease or increase violent crime.

My Opinion:   TROLL

If he wants to play THAT game.  Disprove this Web Site:  Texas Department of Public Safety.  They issue the CCW permits AND they have kept Records of EVERY violation made by a Permittee since inception
in 1996 to 2007.  Because of the justice system, Reports come out 2 years afterwards.

This is CCW permittees versus the General Texas population.

          http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/convrates.htm

Florida, one of the First, if Not the First state to go SHALL issue, report showed that the CCW people had a Better gun safety record than Maiami-Dade PD.

Vermont and Alaska do NOT normally issue CCW permits.  Only to residents who travel out of state and need "papers".  Both are so trouble free that No Permit to CCW is issued.

Minnesota went CCW in one week from the time it was introduced into the legislature.  Zipped thru House, Senate and Governor in one Week.

At least 42 states are SHALL ISSUE, if CCW were Sooo BAD as the TROLL Claims why are there so many SHALL ISSUE states and Not May issue like Hawaii?

For the Record 36 states allow ownership of FULL AUTO firearms AND Sound Surpressors.  Ownership of FA and Supressors Must be Approved by the Chief Law Enforcement Officer
of that particular jurisdiction.   Considering How Many private citizens own supressors and Full Auto, a lot of Chiefs must be OK with citizens in their jurisdiction owning Supressed Full Auto Firearms.
Look at how many Full Auto Machine Gun shoot there are all over the US. From  Tennessee to Oregon to Texas.

IF FA and supressors were legal in Hawaii, the Wife would own a Sgt Saunder's type Thompson SMG just for kicks and giggles.
I'd have me a Beretta 93R. 
BTW, Beretta's e store is selling Genuine Beretta 92/93, 20 and 30 round magazines, On Sale.  Too bad they're a No No here in Hawaii.
   Best mags for the 92 seires Beretta, 

PS:  Next time I want to photograph Night Blooming Cerus flowers can I ask for a Police Escort and NOT  a Special Duty Officer.  After Mau-Gefredo we are in fear of our
        personal safety.  I can get a Permit from the City Transportation Department, Street Usage Section for All of Tanatalus Drive.

PSS  I thought some of your friends said that LEO do not need to protect you or your property...

All of u the Police Bashing is really truly childish.  These men and women are sworn to protect you, your loved ones, and your property, whether you wanna believe it or not. 

How many of u actually talk to HPD about guns, range, shooting, gun laws etc??


 

Personally I know LEO that support CCW.

You haven't really answered the question...."Why are you on here?"

I have a lot of childhood friends that are police officers. But I can't pull a police officer out of my pocket when in need of emergency. No police bashing intended. My wife and kids got robbed in Daiei while I was at work a while back. The perp took my wifes purse right out of my daughters lap when my wife turned to get something off the shelf for a split second. Now we're fighting indentity theft and a few other legal battles. I wonder if the perps having a good time knowing we "good folk" don't pack.......

You haven't really answered the question...."Why are you on here?"

I am here to Defend Hawaii against CCW Permits.