Look like Hillary is in the lead over Trump (Read 29058 times)

ren

Look like Hillary is in the lead over Trump
« on: June 26, 2016, 01:07:23 PM »
 :'(
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Look like Hillary is in the lead over Trump
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2016, 07:16:25 PM »
Can't say that is a shocker. The only reason I could consider voting for Trump is for gun rights. I still plan on voting 3rd party this year but that is also considering that Hawaii votes always go democrat anyway.

London808

Re: Look like Hillary is in the lead over Trump
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2016, 07:59:12 PM »
Can't say that is a shocker. The only reason I could consider voting for Trump is for gun rights. I still plan on voting 3rd party this year but that is also considering that Hawaii votes always go democrat anyway.

Your vote is your vote but can i ask why you would throw it away like that ?>
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Look like Hillary is in the lead over Trump
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2016, 08:13:47 PM »
Your vote is your vote but can i ask why you would throw it away like that ?>

For starters, because of the electoral college and the way Hawaii votes democrat anyway I don't think it would matter in electoral points whether I voted Trump or 3rd party, Clinton would still get out electoral votes.

#2 is is that I don't accept the false dichotomy of only two choices. We have alternate choices in the 3rd party candidates and we would take them more seriously if media gave them some attention. But the media, conservative and liberal alike, want you to believe that there are only two candidates and that you have to vote for one or another. If the media gave more time and consideration to 3rd party candidates then maybe we would have a 3rd option. If enough people looked beyond the media brainwashing and considered a 3rd party candidate then they would be a viable option. It is like a cruel self perpetuating cycle where everyone tells you that a candidate does't have a chance so you don't vote for them, which then shows they don't have a chance.

ren

Re: Look like Hillary is in the lead over Trump
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2016, 08:16:24 PM »
Your vote is your vote but can i ask why you would throw it away like that ?>

I agree. Its your vote but if we cross the streams we can have a victory for gun rights. Besides, Trump is the only outsider. We need that. Too many presidencies have been wasted on career politicians. What have Hillary and Obama done on the outside that shows true leadership?
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whynow?

Re: Look like Hillary is in the lead over Trump
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2016, 08:20:44 PM »
Funny that the more info coming out that looks indictable for Hellery, she gains in the polls.   Think this is bogus and supported by liberal media.
Only one alternative to Clinton chaos and that is Trump. 

eyeeatingfish

Re: Look like Hillary is in the lead over Trump
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2016, 08:26:40 PM »
I agree. Its your vote but if we cross the streams we can have a victory for gun rights. Besides, Trump is the only outsider. We need that. Too many presidencies have been wasted on career politicians. What have Hillary and Obama done on the outside that shows true leadership?

I don't consider Trump an outsider. He is still an insider, just from the other side.

If you look at bribery, there are two sides. The side making the bribe and the side accepting the bribe. Both are equally responsible and culpable. Trump is just the one making the bribe and Hillary is the one accepting the bribe. Only difference is that Trump basically admits to his participation.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Look like Hillary is in the lead over Trump
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2016, 08:28:34 PM »
I don't consider Trump an outsider. He is still an insider, just from the other side.

If you look at bribery, there are two sides. The side making the bribe and the side accepting the bribe. Both are equally responsible and culpable. Trump is just the one making the bribe and Hillary is the one accepting the bribe. Only difference is that Trump basically admits to his participation.

Only one of them is under FBI Investigation, and if that's not enough reason to voice an objection by voting for Trump, then your priorities need to be reexamined.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

suka

Re: Look like Hillary is in the lead over Trump
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2016, 08:37:09 PM »
You live in Hawaii, your vote won't count. Only 2 electoral votes compared to the mainland.

The election is nearly over when the polls reach half day  .

eyeeatingfish

Re: Look like Hillary is in the lead over Trump
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2016, 08:38:35 PM »
Only one of them is under FBI Investigation, and if that's not enough reason to voice an objection by voting for Trump, then your priorities need to be reexamined.

And Trump is under investigation by the IRS and also by civil courts for multiple civil lawsuits. Six of one, half dozen of the other.

Since Hawaii will go to Clinton anyway I think my vote for a third party won't negatively affect Trump anyway. That way I can vote against Clinton and lend legitimacy a third party as well.

Even though a 3rd party candidate might not win, I look at it this way: Maybe my vote will lend legitimacy to a 3rd party now which will result in a 3rd party being an actual contender in future elections.  I am considering future possibilities for candidates, not just the ones here and now.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Look like Hillary is in the lead over Trump
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2016, 08:42:55 PM »
And Trump is under investigation by the IRS and also by civil courts for multiple civil lawsuits. Six of one, half dozen of the other.

Since Hawaii will go to Clinton anyway I think my vote for a third party won't negatively affect Trump anyway. That way I can vote against Clinton and lend legitimacy a third party as well.

Even though a 3rd party candidate might not win, I look at it this way: Maybe my vote will lend legitimacy to a 3rd party now which will result in a 3rd party being an actual contender in future elections.  I am considering future possibilities for candidates, not just the ones here and now.

FBI is a Criminal Justice Agency.  IRS and "Civil Courts" are not.

More like Sixty of one, half of another!
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Look like Hillary is in the lead over Trump
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2016, 08:46:47 PM »
FBI is a Criminal Justice Agency.  IRS and "Civil Courts" are not.

More like Sixty of one, half of another!

Don't get me wrong, I would take Tump over Clinton if that were the only choice, but it is not.  When it comes to the case of corruption, I think both are equally culpable.

Basically this, Trump doesn't get away with bribery by saying he was just playing the system. If you are a public official and I bribe you, we can both be arrested for bribery. I am not more or less culpable than you in such a case.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Look like Hillary is in the lead over Trump
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2016, 09:01:24 PM »
Don't get me wrong, I would take Tump over Clinton if that were the only choice, but it is not.  When it comes to the case of corruption, I think both are equally culpable.

Basically this, Trump doesn't get away with bribery by saying he was just playing the system. If you are a public official and I bribe you, we can both be arrested for bribery. I am not more or less culpable than you in such a case.

NEWS FLASH!! 

HILLARY CLINTON HAS DONE MUCH WORSE THAN "BRIBERY" WHILE SECRETARY OF STATE AND AFTERWARD.

Trying to limit yourself to that one issue is true denial.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Look like Hillary is in the lead over Trump
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2016, 09:05:58 PM »
NEWS FLASH!! 

HILLARY CLINTON HAS DONE MUCH WORSE THAN "BRIBERY" WHILE SECRETARY OF STATE AND AFTERWARD.

Trying to limit yourself to that one issue is true denial.

Like I said, if there were only two options I would take Trump over Clinton, but that is not the case. Both are culpable of injustice and undeserving of being the president.

ren

Re: Look like Hillary is in the lead over Trump
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2016, 09:39:15 PM »
storing classified information on an unapproved, personal server is criminal
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edster48

Re: Look like Hillary is in the lead over Trump
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2016, 05:16:18 AM »
If this is about the latest ABC poll it's BS. It was a "weighted" poll, with all the weight on the democrat end. They biased the poll on purpose to make it seem like the Hag was out in front. You just can't believe the rubbish that the networks put out anymore. Every "random" poll that I've seen or participated in has Trump far in the lead, and the properly done weighted polls call it even or within the margin of error. Just the people I talk with here in this state gives me the impression that Trump will win by a large margin. Even hardcore democrats don't trust the Hildebeast.
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kekoa

Re: Look like Hillary is in the lead over Trump
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2016, 05:46:15 AM »
Like I said, if there were only two options I would take Trump over Clinton, but that is not the case. Both are culpable of injustice and undeserving of being the president.

If the rest of the voters are thinking like you we have already lost to Clinton. While our votes may not really count here by the time they are counted its others thinking just like you that will hand the presidency to H. Clinton. Poor thinking  in my book. A third party vote is a positive vote for Clinton no matter how you rationalize it or do the math.

punaperson

Re: Look like Hillary is in the lead over Trump
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2016, 07:47:11 AM »
If this is about the latest ABC poll it's BS. It was a "weighted" poll, with all the weight on the democrat end. They biased the poll on purpose to make it seem like the Hag was out in front. You just can't believe the rubbish that the networks put out anymore. Every "random" poll that I've seen or participated in has Trump far in the lead, and the properly done weighted polls call it even or within the margin of error. Just the people I talk with here in this state gives me the impression that Trump will win by a large margin. Even hardcore democrats don't trust the Hildebeast.
Most (all?) polling is questionable in accuracy and subject to the advocacy of those paying for the polling. In the recent Brexit polling up until the very day of the vote the polls showed the "do not leave the EU" side winning by a narrow margin. I even saw stories afterwards about people shouting "unfair" because the polls were wrong, as if had the polls indicated the real outcome (leaving the EU) more people would have gone out and voted to stay in the EU. Absurd.

The next president will appoint between 1 and 5 Supreme Court justices, who if they are relatively young when appointed and approved by the Senate, will likely serve for 30 or 40 years. If those appointments are by Clinton or whoever replaces her should she get indicted and convicted (never gonna happen even though she likely is deserving) then the Second Amendment providing any significant meaningful protection for the right to keep and bear arms is more or less done for a couple of generations, maybe forever. (Banning various "assault weapons" (all semi-autos) will be merely "commonsense gun safety regulations" enacted for "public safety" and there will be no right to own such dangerous weapons, even if they had been (wrongly) "in common use for lawful purposes"... i.e. Heller was wrong, etc.).

Now, given that Hawaii voters will overwhelmingly (60% to 70%?) vote for Clinton/Democrat does who you vote for for president here in Hawaii have any effect on the outcome of the Supreme Court appointments, etc.? I'm going to (unfortunately have to) say "NO". There is some possibility that local choices for state and county offices could make a difference for local decisions, and that would be where your vote might "count". I wish it weren't so, but unless there is some unimaginable (to me) catastrophic event (what?) that would cause the Dem Drones to wake up and actually apply critical thinking skills to the issues (even then they could still decide Dem on various issues, including 2A if they simply don't want anyone to have guns, just "because"...), Clinton will win here in a landslide (possibly the most lopsided of all states). And if some of the small minority who would have voted for Trump in a binary choice decide to vote for another candidate or not vote at all it's hard to see how that will make any difference.  :( :'( :wtf:

Rocky

Re: Look like Hillary is in the lead over Trump
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2016, 08:14:40 AM »
You live in Hawaii, your vote won't count. Only 2 electoral votes compared to the mainland.

The election is nearly over when the polls reach half day  .

Our vote counts if the race is close !
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Re: Look like Hillary is in the lead over Trump
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2016, 08:45:08 AM »
I just dont trust the polls.  Out of the hundreds of people I know. I know only 1 person who will vote for her.
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