If you are looking to what the income tax or any other tax rate should be for a society, I personally think we should let democracy decide and put it up for a popular vote.  If that amount is not enough for the government to handle its obligations, then it should either borrow for the difference, reduce its obligations, or have everyone vote again for a higher rate.

Kuleana

How to destroy a country in one easy step.

That, again is naive.  You seriously think it's FAIR to let those who will benefit  the most and pay the least decide how much those earning the most should pay?  LOL!

Up to this point, you never asked me to comment on what could be considered fair share from the poor.

Allow me to enlighten you.

The poor do not have the financial resources to maintain daily life or pay taxes by the unfortunate virtue of being poor for whatever reason.  Recall that I said universal accountability for all citizens.  With respect to taxes, the ultra-wealthy should be made to pay their fair share since they have the means to do so. The poor, since they do not have resources would need to make it up in-kind.  This would be mean mandatory community service that could come in the form federal, state, or city and county work on tasks consummate to their skills and ability.  These people would have access to the very basic necessities of life, but that is all.  No free lunch.

 
Not laughing at you, just the fact you think we aren't already doing that.  Romney called it.  How do you convince the voters a tax cut is something they should vote for when 47% pay no tax?

Having said above, allowing the populace to then democratically decide what their income tax rate will be, assuming a theoretical flat rate tax, would be one alternative to achieving a fair tax for all in a society.


Kuleana

That's your opinion and opinions vary.

Kuleana

The problem with your idea of a fair share is that it results in  people paying for stuff they don't use (welfare) and carrying those who don't pay.

Please see my post regarding universal accountability for all citizens.


A true fair share tax system would\shpikd work like this. The government sets a budget for services used by all people, military, police, fire, Sanitation , eduction  Ect..... This budget would then be divided by the number of people using the services and that's fair shatre every one should pay. This fair system works because every one is paying an equal amount for the services they have access to.

Sounds good theoretically, but not possible in practice.

The problem with what you are suggesting would require accurate measures on real time use of government services.  Although I think it is a great idea, I do not think the government has the technological means to ascertain who actually uses what.  For example, why should I pay the same amount for using KHSC if I only use it once a year versus daily shooters?


Not the government collecting an undetermined number and then deciding what \ who to spend it with non consideration of who paid into the system. If you can't pay your fair share then you should be given the opportunity to work out of via social project's that benefit the people (reducing overall cost for everyone)

I agree.


A fair share is not taking more from one person because they have more, but should  making sure every onenis contributing for the services they utilize

I agree somewhat.


Kuleana

The problem with what you are suggesting would require accurate measures on real time use of government services.  Although I think it is a great idea, I do not think the government has the technological means to ascertain who actually uses what.  For example, why should I pay the same amount for using KHSC if I only use it once a year versus daily shooters?

ask 100 people how much taxs they want to pay and i can tell you what the answer will be : NONE

Of course, everyone will knee jerk and say none, but if you add the caveat that their income tax rate will be set for them by the government, I think you will get a straight answer.


Kuleana

But yet you want people that earn more to pay more so that people that pay nothing can get stuff....... The bottom people do not work, They do not contribute they only take.

I think you need to reread my posts in regards to universal accountability and no free lunch for the poor.

Kuleana

Thats future dreaming (and will never happen) What you have said tho is that you want the 1% to pay their fair share instead of dogging their taxs (using legal loop holes) , The % set for those that earn more is higher then those that earn less, (those that earn nothing can still get money back that they never paid and never earned in the form of credits )

Fairness... Life isn't.

... Some are born smarter, stronger, faster, or more good looking.  Some, not so much.

... Some develop their talent. Some don't.

... Some live long lives. Some die too soon.

... Some are born in wealth or influence.  Some in poverty.

... Some have passion and put in the effort. Some don't know what they want to do in life.

... Some are in the right place at the right time. Some don't have the right timing.

You have something to say about life not being fair?  Tell it to this guy.







We have one life to live and are blessed to be alive. Live a good life and make each day count.

I remember when I went to school. My parents would prepare food for me. I went to school to learn.
http://khon2.com/2016/08/23/some-parents-say-unacceptable-breakfast-served-at-public-schools/

Well said JL808.

there is no better example of why we should whine about "Life's not fair"
He is a shining example of dealing with the cards Life dealt you.
I strive to have an ounce of his motivation, his drive in life.
I used to whine about "it's not fair" - when I was about 10 years old. I then had to make a decision to continue to pout about it or do something FOR MYSELF. Fairness is a relative thing when you STOP and think about it. The key is not to stop but to keep moving and forget about "what is fair". You'll look back from a happier place. When I look back I'm a monument to my own failed dreams. I was Max the cab driver. I had to continue down the infinite hallway of life looking for an open door.

Why should the wealthy pay for social services they don't use? As homage to this great country they live in? If they did, would the people that use them thank the wealthy? Probably not. They'd likely demand more stuff.
I remember when I went to school. My parents would prepare food for me. I went to school to learn.
http://khon2.com/2016/08/23/some-parents-say-unacceptable-breakfast-served-at-public-schools/

I think you need to reread my posts in regards to universal accountability and no free lunch for the poor.

Kuleana