The Rapback legal action Thread (Read 204034 times)

oldfart

Re: The Rapback legal action Thread
« Reply #200 on: January 21, 2017, 07:05:41 AM »
BUMP

What, Me Worry?

zippz

Re: The Rapback legal action Thread
« Reply #201 on: January 27, 2017, 11:21:27 AM »
Me and London808 had a good discussion with Daniel from NRA ILA today on Rapback strategies.  Dan said it is a tough case to fight, especially under the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, however London808 brought up some very good points and new legal angles that we can base the case on, along with alternative strategies that we'll look into.  Looks promising.

punaperson

Re: The Rapback legal action Thread
« Reply #202 on: January 27, 2017, 01:52:56 PM »
Me and London808 had a good discussion with Daniel from NRA ILA today on Rapback strategies.  Dan said it is a tough case to fight, especially under the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, however London808 brought up some very good points and new legal angles that we can base the case on, along with alternative strategies that we'll look into.  Looks promising.
Mahalo. Give 'em hell my brothers.  :shaka:

London808

Re: The Rapback legal action Thread
« Reply #203 on: January 27, 2017, 02:56:35 PM »
Thanks Zippz for taking the time to make the connection and the help you are providing in this fight. It was a very productive phone call and gave us a lot to think about and work on. Hopefully something really productive comes out of this and we can move forward with the NRA's support.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

dustoff003

Re: The Rapback legal action Thread
« Reply #204 on: February 03, 2017, 12:53:50 AM »
I support London808 and his efforts and I donated to the cause. I cut and pasted a message that I sent to the HRA in this thread I have still yet to get a response, oh well. I got what Jl808 was saying and I plan on seeing how I can best help the HRA in the future. With all that said I wrote another message to the contact us at the HRA and told them to disregard my previous message I also wrote and mailed a check to the Hawaii Citizens' Rights Political Action Committee.

Please support London with  his efforts and the HCR-PAC this supports the HRA's lobbying.


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zippz

Re: The Rapback legal action Thread
« Reply #205 on: February 07, 2017, 04:49:56 PM »
Thanks for the buyers who bought the 2 mountain house buckets, CMMG 22lr AR15 kit, and Bushnell red dot sight.   $375 raised in total from the sales.

London808

Re: The Rapback legal action Thread
« Reply #206 on: February 08, 2017, 11:49:20 AM »
I can confirm have a table at the gun show for the legal fight of stooping rapback & disseminating information on the legal process of of creating and changing laws.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

oldfart

Re: The Rapback legal action Thread
« Reply #207 on: February 08, 2017, 12:15:00 PM »
I can confirm have a table at the gun show for the legal fight of stooping rapback & disseminating information on the legal process of of creating and changing laws.
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Great I'll try to get some time off to help with your table.
What, Me Worry?

dustoff003

Re: The Rapback legal action Thread
« Reply #208 on: March 21, 2017, 10:15:35 PM »
London808 any post gun show updates?

London808

Re: The Rapback legal action Thread
« Reply #209 on: March 21, 2017, 10:41:22 PM »
London808 any post gun show updates?

« Last Edit: April 18, 2017, 06:50:59 PM by London808 »
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

London808

Re: The Rapback legal action Thread
« Reply #210 on: April 19, 2017, 07:14:00 PM »
OK so heres where we stand.

I have a bunch of money in the chest (over $5k). I am witing for the new chief to be hired as thats who makes the decisions on who can get permits and what forms are required. I am also looking into filing lawsuits in the state courts for procedural problems with the law (signing the waiver, paying the fee, who gets the fee, how the data is stored and transferred ect... )

I have had a lot on my plate recently and have had to taqke care of some life stuff before having the time to work on this.

I also have letters going out to the FBI and the AG (USA) seeking clarification on what the city/county/state is using rapback for and if it is legal/approved.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

London808

Re: The Rapback legal action Thread
« Reply #211 on: April 19, 2017, 07:15:59 PM »
I am also still looking for a volunteer who is in the rapback system to help with a possible legal (no risk, no cost {will cost about $5 in mailing fees but i will cover those costs}) option that was bought to my attention.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

rklapp

Re: The Rapback legal action Thread
« Reply #212 on: April 19, 2017, 08:11:31 PM »
Perhaps you can show us examples of the letters so we can send out our own along with the addresses.
Yahh! Freedom and justice shall always prevail over tyranny, Babysitter Girl!
https://ronsreloading.wordpress.com/

London808

Re: The Rapback legal action Thread
« Reply #213 on: April 19, 2017, 08:44:17 PM »
Perhaps you can show us examples of the letters so we can send out our own along with the addresses.

HPD has to many people on this forum to be putting the letters out publicly, This is a unique legal option and the less time they have to prepare the better.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

Shooter26

Re: The Rapback legal action Thread
« Reply #214 on: May 01, 2017, 11:53:45 PM »
So as many of you know I am moving forward with Legal Action against HPD, City and State with regards to Rapback, The implementation of which starts tomorrow December 5th 2016.

For those unfamiliar with Who I am, My Name is Andre Namiki Roberts, I am a permanent resident of the Untied states having moved here from the untied kingdom in 2006. In 2015 i Applied for a firearms permit and was denied based on a HPD policy that would require me to travel back to the untited kingdom to get a background check done on myself and provided it to them at my own expense (somewhere around $4000) This policy was made with the intention of denying non  citizens there 2nd amendment rights. I recognized the implication of what they were doing and confronted them, Over a peiod of 3 days i explained them them what they were doing was wrong. they would not budge, So i contacted a lawyer here in Hawaii who handles civil rights cases and we got working on a lawsuit. After approximately 3 months of work and a lawsuit in federal court,  HPD settled with me (whilst admitting no wrong doing) and as well as stooping the unconstitutional/illegal policy they also had to cover my legal expenses.
If you would like to read about this lawsuit you can do so here, http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/30504334/uk-citizen-alleges-honolulu-police-depriving-his-gun-rights or see the actual lawsuit here http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Portals/0/Article%20Attachments/Roberts%20v%20Honolulu%202nd%20Amendment.pdf

I might be hated for this, but I'll be the devil's advocate.

***Why don't you just apply for a citizenship??? Second Amendment is a right that is for Citizens of the US??? Are you trying to sue them to change the bill of rights???  I was an immigrant, and I knew about the rights per Constitution, so I strived to be a good citizen and eventually was able to obtain my citizenship.  I am sorry to say, but your rights are not as much as an American Citizen. I cannot afford to help you fight you personal vendetta with the Constitution.  It's not HPD, C&C, or even the State of Hawaii.  You are asking to amend the Constitution.  About this Rap Back, if you guys are not doing anything wrong, why worry about it?  Kinda remind me of all those protesters that's out there creating chaos, but does it with their face covered.  I feel like this post was left here to incite people to react with their feelings rather that logic.  Let's put your situation with someone who has bad intentions to disrupt the peace in the island, would you guys like that person / terrorist to have easier access? What makes this guy's situation different?***

Now why is this information important ?
I want you to know who i am, That im a real person who is willing to step up when needed to defend my rights (and those of others) I want you to see that im not going to hide behind an online Alias and that i am going to be upfront with thing. Why ? Because im going to ask for help. I have spoke to both Rick and Alan, the lawyers who helped me with my previous lawsuit and they are willing to again work with me to stop rap back. But to do so its going to cost money. The minimum amount given to me was $15k, Why so much ? This is going to be a long fight and lawyers have bills to pay. A lawsuit like this can drag on for months into years and although there is a very good chance we can stop rapback it may take some time.

***Like I said, I cannot afford to fund your attempt to try to amend the constitution.  I remember when Arnold Swartzenegger try to change the law to accommodate his desire to run for president when he was the Governor of California.  And how will I know that Rick and Alan are better that Beavis and Butthead? I don't know their background, cases won, achievements, ...etc.  I could guarantee you that your 5 year mark (minimum time to be a permanent resident to apply for citizenship) will get here before you could ask everyone here to pitch in money to fund your case.  I'm sorry if I'm coming out rude, but don't try to change the law if your not even a citizen here.  It's like refugees in Europe that tries to implement Sharia Law to accommodate their desire.***

Ways you can help
The biggest way you can help is with cold hard cash. I personally have put $500 in the kitty and so far have had another $300 pledged to help but we need more. You can donate direct to me
via paypal : a_roberts_84@yahoo.co.uk OR info@stoprapback.com
or
via mail you can make a check or money order payable to Andrew Namiki Roberts and mail it to Andrew Namiki Roberts, P.O. BOX 283182, Honolulu, HI 96828
or
In person, I am going to be making more effort to visit the range on weekends (usualy i go weekdays when its quite so no one laughs at me missing)

I am in the process of setting up a gofund me account But was given this notfication :
"The content of your campaign has led us to believe that you may be trying to raise money for a legal matter. You may view our terms and conditions here."
So i am waiting/looking into what caused this.

[Edit] Added GoFundMe Link from this thread https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=25630.msg226820#msg226820

https://www.gofundme.com/stop-rapback-in-the-state-of-hawaii

***The funny thing is that if people don't know you in this board, I would think that this is some kind of a scam.  Yahoo from UK, not real address (P.O. Box being used instead), and breaking the Go Fund Me page rules for realistically personal gain.  I don't think anyone else on this board has the same predicament as you.***

I might come out harsh, but it's my Constitutional Right under the first Amendment as a US Citizen.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The Rapback legal action Thread
« Reply #215 on: May 02, 2017, 12:12:55 AM »
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Not being "hateful."  Just pointing out that you don't have any real idea what you are talking about.

I don't think HPD would have settled and paid attorney's fees if they had been in the right. 
Obviously, the state was not abiding by the Constitution or state and federal law, which does cover legal residents.

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The Constitutional rights are of three different types:

1.    Constitutional rights that are only secured for citizens. The most notable of these are the rights
to vote and be elected for office.

2.    Constitutional rights that are secured for citizens and permanent residents. The common
interpretation of the Constitution is that where it says "the people," it usually refers to citizens and permanent residents.
An example of such right is the second amendment - "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms,
shall not be infringed" (since it says "the people," it refers to citizens and permanent residents, not any other aliens).

3.    Rights that everyone has. For example, no one should be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process
of the law, regardless of their immigration status.

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-basic-rights-of-legal-immigrants-to-the-US-Are-the-constitutional-rights-the-same-as-American-citizens

In fact, the entire Bill of Rights apply to all legal residents.  That's the first 10 amendments, which includes the 2nd.  The 5th and 14th guarantee these rights for all residents, not just citizens,

https://www.uscis.gov/green-card/after-green-card-granted/rights-and-responsibilities-permanent-resident/rights-and-responsibilities-green-card-holder-permanent-resident

« Last Edit: May 02, 2017, 12:37:56 AM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

London808

Re: The Rapback legal action Thread
« Reply #216 on: May 02, 2017, 08:45:10 AM »


Pretty much everything you said is incorrect,

The bill of rights applies to all legal residents of the u tied statesas people they are citizens,although there is a difference between natural born and immigrants.

This has been affirmed in Yick Wo v. Hopkins, Wong Win v. United States as well as many others throughout the years.

It is not the constitution or bill of rights I was fighting but illegally implemented policy's of the city and HPD. The obvious evidence that they were illegal is that they settled with me and paid my legal fees.

What makes this different to some one that is trying to cause chaos is the fact that I was right from day one, they were infringing on my rights and the rights of other non citizens who now thanks to my first lawsuit can own firearms without having their conditional rights infringed

With regards to eyeing a U.K. E-mail address, that's my e-mail address I have had it since before I moved to the US, rather gen create one just to use for collecting fund I used my real e-mail??

I'm using a USPS mailing address so that I don't have random people Turing up at my door for every pro gun person there is an anti gunner, not to mention potentially tiring my property into a target for some one looking to steal firearms. Using a USPS mail box to scam people would constitute a fellony and they have my ID and information on file. What would you recommend ?

"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

rklapp

Re: The Rapback legal action Thread
« Reply #217 on: May 02, 2017, 06:14:17 PM »
There's a difference between unconstitutional and changing the Constitution. The courts can declare if a bill or law is unconstitutional. Changing the Constitutional is a huge process requiring a supermajority of Congress and a super supermajority of the States to ratify.

I agree that if we keep our noses clean, this won't affect us but that's not why the FF put the 2nd Amendment into the Bill of Rights. It's to prevent any tyrant in the future from using the rapeback system to identify firearm owners and take the guns away.
Yahh! Freedom and justice shall always prevail over tyranny, Babysitter Girl!
https://ronsreloading.wordpress.com/

London808

Re: The Rapback legal action Thread
« Reply #218 on: May 02, 2017, 06:26:29 PM »
I agree that if we keep our noses clean, this won't affect us but that's not why the FF put the 2nd Amendment into the Bill of Rights. It's to prevent any tyrant in the future from using the rapeback system to identify firearm owners and take the guns away.

I would disagree, This affects us very much, When you go into the rapback system you are required to sign a waiver to your 4th and 5th amendment rights. This is more then just about a tyrannical goverment (which is a concern) but  this is also about being forced to give up some constitutional rights to have another.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

rklapp

Re: The Rapback legal action Thread
« Reply #219 on: May 02, 2017, 07:15:01 PM »
I would disagree, This affects us very much, When you go into the rapback system you are required to sign a waiver to your 4th and 5th amendment rights. This is more then just about a tyrannical goverment (which is a concern) but  this is also about being forced to give up some constitutional rights to have another.
What I meant is that we (probably) won't end up in jail if we keep our noses clean. Of course it affects or rights.
Yahh! Freedom and justice shall always prevail over tyranny, Babysitter Girl!
https://ronsreloading.wordpress.com/