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Why is a $2000 AR better than a $600 one?
« on: February 06, 2012, 05:20:42 PM »
Tell me why a $2000 AR by Noveske is better than 3 $600 AR's? or 2 Built up $1000 AR's?

Was at a gun shop today and this guy was wailing about his $2k Noveske.  After listening to him for 5 miin
I just had to say I would rather buy 3 AR's and throw scopes on them and be done.  Then if one breaks
I have 2 more to use........Plus while you're sitting in the ditch trying to fix your $2k gun I have
spare parts....Then I gotta listen to him ramble on about how reliable his is and he will never have that problem..(Yeah Sure!)

..It was like talking to a Ferrari owner....painful.....
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Cougar8045

Re: Why is a $2000 AR better than a $600 one?
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2012, 05:25:00 PM »
I think the top-drawer manufacturers like Noveske and LaRue Tactical do all the work on their rifles on-site, so they're in better control of their materials.  I know LaRue has a 1MOA guarantee on their OBRs, which is pretty good.  Other than that, I think it's customer service, and their rifles are statistically more likely to run better and be more accurate than a $600 AR.  Will every Noveske be better than every Oly?  Probably not, but you're more likely to get a dud with one of the cheaper manufacturers. 

Plus people like to have more expensive toys than the next guy... lol
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Re: Why is a $2000 AR better than a $600 one?
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2012, 05:41:29 PM »
Tell me why a $2000 AR by Noveske is better than 3 $600 AR's? or 2 Built up $1000 AR's?...
I guess it really depends on your point of view. I am more like you. But I prefer bolt actions to AR's. Yeah I know you can bash me!  :thumbsup:

I think his paying $2000 gave him one thing you'll never get with 3 garden variety AR's. Bragging rights. For me, it is not important. Where I came from everyone else felt it was so important that I left.

The way I see it is this. I can go to the range and shoot my $2k AR and put 5 rounds through the same hole by myself. Or I can invite 2 of my friends to come with me to the range and we can have a great time shooting all day. Then go have lunch and a few cold ones afterwards. Which day sounds more fun to you? Just saying....
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Dblnaknak

Re: Why is a $2000 AR better than a $600 one?
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2012, 05:50:24 PM »
Lets put it like this. When the military first adopted the AR platform it went with the cheapest bidder at the time. So price does not have anything to do with quality. In terms of accuracy, a highly trained marksman using a cheapo gun can out shoot a recreational marksman using a high end gun. One of my first hunting guns was a crappy norinko SKS that I bought out of the police evidence room from a guy that had it taken away for domestic violence. That gun has killed more pigs and deer than any of my other guns, or any of my friends other high end guns. I had no problem dropping the gun in mud, water or blood. It always fired when I needed it to, and it didnt require much maint.  I personally would take a $600 AR any day over a $2000 AR. Just my 2 cents...

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Re: Why is a $2000 AR better than a $600 one?
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2012, 06:12:45 PM »
In a business sense I have no problem selling a $2000 gun if thats what the customer wants. 

But my $550 AR that I put together from a hodge podge of parts is wasy better than most of my friends guns.

But when the guy told me a $600 AR is probably a piece of junk I wanted to argue with him but there is no point.

It is hard to express how this guy came off.  It was almost like he sleeps with his damn gun!

If you got money to spend go for it because it makes the world go round.


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Re: Why is a $2000 AR better than a $600 one?
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2012, 06:38:20 PM »
Why spend $600 for a AR that's considered a bottom end gun anyway when you can get a AKMS or Yugo AK and know it will always fire every time you pull the trigger and its cheap to feed and when society melts down 7.62x39 will be the most abundant round out there. AR vs AK = AK wins, Red dawn style.

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Re: Why is a $2000 AR better than a $600 one?
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2012, 06:51:23 PM »
That's why I have a AR in 7.62x39 also which cost $600 also!
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Re: Why is a $2000 AR better than a $600 one?
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2012, 06:55:32 PM »
My brother believes in the AK stigma and went AR in 7.62x39. He had to buy special mags and it doesn't feed well. Don't know if that's what I'd rock at the end of the world party.

vooduchikn

Why is a $2000 AR better than a $600 one?
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2012, 07:03:39 PM »
Shoot a $600 ar and then shoot a $2000 AR and then you will know why.
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Re: Why is a $2000 AR better than a $600 one?
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2012, 07:10:48 PM »
I have I shot lots of $2000 AR's, Havent shot one yet worth it, until it can wash dishes!

To me its all how you use it!
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DonRow

Why is a $2000 AR better than a $600 one?
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2012, 07:13:09 PM »
Its all about the shooter. I don't really think the rifle really matters except the quality of the parts that go into the $2,000 AR is better the $600 one.. I guess.

vooduchikn

Why is a $2000 AR better than a $600 one?
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2012, 07:19:18 PM »
Its all about the shooter. I don't really think the rifle really matters except the quality of the parts that go into the $2,000 AR is better the $600 one.. I guess.
Disagree. An 8 cylinder mustang will not outrun an 8 cylinder BMW M3 or Z06 vette. Tell me its the driver/shooter again? If this is the case, then why are there not cheap ass 50bmg and.338 Lapua rifles for all? 
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DonRow

Why is a $2000 AR better than a $600 one?
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2012, 07:27:13 PM »
Disagree. An 8 cylinder mustang will not outrun an 8 cylinder BMW M3 or Z06 vette. Tell me its the driver/shooter again? If this is the case, then why are there not cheap ass 50bmg and.338 Lapua rifles for all?
Wow sorry voodu didn't mean to make you mad man. You just proved my point. A BMW V8 has better quality parts and better quality engineering compared to the run of the mill ford mustang with a stock V8

vooduchikn

Why is a $2000 AR better than a $600 one?
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2012, 07:31:42 PM »
Wow sorry voodu didn't mean to make you mad man. You just proved my point. A BMW V8 has better quality parts and better quality engineering compared to the run of the mill ford mustang with a stock V8
you didnt make me mad bro, theres a reason they cost that much...the end result. A 3 moa rifle is  exactly as described, same with a 1 or sub one, you get what you pay for. I went for the middle ( daniel defense). I will, however keep my BMWs. 
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DonRow

Why is a $2000 AR better than a $600 one?
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2012, 07:36:57 PM »
Hell I wouldn't give up the BMW either, but then again I don't have enough money for a Beamer.

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Re: Why is a $2000 AR better than a $600 one?
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2012, 07:42:44 PM »
I had a 9 sec 1/4mi Mustang. Haven't seen too many BMW's go 9's
I also had a 11 Sec Rabbit....go figure... :stopjack:

My Modified Bushmaster is the best AR I have.  Added a RRA 2-Stage Trigger and A custom Compensator
Total Spent $750

Havent shot another AR yet that I like.

Waiting for my Adcor Upper to come in. I am going to change the Comp on it to one of mine and see how that goes.
But the only reason I bought it is because of the front cocking.
« Last Edit: February 06, 2012, 07:48:03 PM by SpeedTek »
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Sgl21761

Re: Why is a $2000 AR better than a $600 one?
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2012, 07:47:01 PM »
Mustangs and BMWs, just because the rifle will shoot sub moa doesn't mean the guy pulling the trigger can make it. You can buy the same driver as tiger woods but you probably wont make the tour next year.

vooduchikn

Why is a $2000 AR better than a $600 one?
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2012, 07:49:35 PM »
Mustangs and BMWs, just because the rifle will shoot sub moa doesn't mean the guy pulling the trigger can make it. You can buy the same driver as tiger woods but you probably wont make the tour next year.
at least he has the chance...3 MOA is 3 MOA.
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Cougar8045

Re: Why is a $2000 AR better than a $600 one?
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2012, 07:50:53 PM »
The bottom line is, the $600 AR probably isn't nearly as good as its owner would like to believe...and neither is the $2,000 one.  But I don't know where people get the idea that sub-MOA accuracy is some magical degree of accuracy that's only achievable by a select few gifted individuals, and only on a good day.  With a good rifle, and shooting off sandbags on the bench, it's really not out of the question for anyone who's willing to put in the time and effort to develop a good load and shoot often. 
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vooduchikn

Why is a $2000 AR better than a $600 one?
« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2012, 07:53:42 PM »
The bottom line is, the $600 AR probably isn't nearly as good as its owner would like to believe...and neither is the $2,000 one.  But I don't know where people get the idea that sub-MOA accuracy is some magical degree of accuracy that's only achievable by a select few gifted individuals, and only on a good day.  With a good rifle, and shooting off sandbags on the bench, it's really not out of the question for anyone who's willing to put in the time and effort to develop a good load and shoot often.
its not magical. But having a good sub moa rifle sure helps the effort.
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