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Politicians to Support in 2012 - Why or Why not?
« on: February 10, 2012, 07:37:15 PM »
Mazie Hirono (D) - NO - Supported Assault Weapons Ban
Obama (D) - HELL NO - We all know why!
Ken Ito (D) - Supports 2A
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We need a Pinned topic on which Politician to support! or not to.
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2012, 08:38:49 PM »
Mazie, the hell with her she's just as bad as Obumer.

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Re: Politicians to Support in 2012 - Why or Why not?
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2012, 08:23:44 PM »
Ed Case is a big hell no too. Just watch the PBS special, and you'll see why...

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Re: Politicians to Support in 2012 - Why or Why not?
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2012, 09:42:43 PM »
Obama because he is from Hawaii and goes to Punahou

Sarah Palin because she went to Hawaii Pacific University

paulb3

Re: Politicians to Support in 2012 - Why or Why not?
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2012, 11:35:02 AM »
Surprised no one mentioned Ron Paul

Aegis808

Re: Politicians to Support in 2012 - Why or Why not?
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2012, 05:13:08 AM »
i for one am done with this two party crap.

Funtimes

Re: Politicians to Support in 2012 - Why or Why not?
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2012, 07:50:51 AM »
Surprised no one mentioned Ron Paul

He was never a contender lol. The numbers are wayyyy wayyy not in his favor.
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Politicians to Support in 2012 - Why or Why not?
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2012, 08:12:01 AM »
Cayetano = gun owner + anti rail + A Plus program + proven fiscally responsible
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Caldwell = gun owner + pro rail + former acting mayor for Hannemann
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Re: Politicians to Support in 2012 - Why or Why not?
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2012, 04:40:37 PM »
Cayetano may not be as "pro-gun" as you think. In addition to the link/story I've provided, I saw an interview where he said he didn't support more gun control, but wasn't going to throw himself in front of a bus to prevent folks who wanted it.

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2000/02/15/news/story6.html

Caldwell had been actively involved in trying to improve the range and is a much better "pro-gun rights" choice IMHO

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Re: Politicians to Support in 2012 - Why or Why not?
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2012, 05:54:43 PM »
Charles Djou = YES

Linda Lingle = Yes. She will be at the gun show.
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Re: Politicians to Support in 2012 - Why or Why not?
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2012, 11:04:10 PM »
I was going to vote Cayetano because I'm against rail, but when Caldwell came to the range and expressed how much he supported 2a with some other politicians, I might just vote for him...
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Politicians to Support in 2012 - Why or Why not?
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2012, 12:54:52 AM »
Good point, hnl.flyboy... I was actually mulling the opposite.

As much as I wanted to support Caldwell for his strong 2a stance, I just can't believe how much money rail is taking away from other services the city provides (bus, police, fire upkeep of infrastructure including roads, sewers and parks).

Caldwell is just not tough enough to take on the special interest groups currently supporting the rail. He is too much of a "nice" guy and is also responsible for the mess that is rail right now when he was managing director for Mufi.

On the other hand, Cayetano has balls and I believe he will do what he says he will do. 

Also, isn't 2a a state legislature issue and not a city council one?
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Re: Politicians to Support in 2012 - Why or Why not?
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2012, 07:50:52 AM »
I know some guys like Caldwell because he's said he's pro 2A.  I will say this.............in the time he was #2 in the City and the time he was Mayor..............what did he do for the shooting community? 

To me the answer is nothing.  He's full of hot air.  I know there are others on the site that feel differently, but I again have to ask, what did he do and we all know the answer to that.

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Re: Politicians to Support in 2012 - Why or Why not?
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2012, 09:23:05 AM »
I was in Young Guns yesterday and was surprised to see a Caldwell sign up on the wall. I had to do a double take. I didn't have the time to talk story and find out why.
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Re: Politicians to Support in 2012 - Why or Why not?
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2012, 09:08:40 PM »
I know some guys like Caldwell because he's said he's pro 2A.  I will say this.............in the time he was #2 in the City and the time he was Mayor..............what did he do for the shooting community? 

To me the answer is nothing.  He's full of hot air.  I know there are others on the site that feel differently, but I again have to ask, what did he do and we all know the answer to that.

That's what's got me sort of torn.  I really want to believe he'll help out 2A, but I'm really against rail too.  Meh.  I probably won't know exactly who will get my vote until I'm at the ballot.
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Re: Politicians to Support in 2012 - Why or Why not?
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2012, 06:34:42 PM »
Caldwell seems to say anything he thinks we want to hear. The consmmate politician. Need to know mor to substantiate his commitment to our causes.
What about City Prosecutor??. One does not hear much about that race. Is there anyone we really want.
Still lean towards Ben. At least he will save us some money on Rail. If he is only ambivilant on our issues, that is a plus. The Prosecutor may end up being really important.

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Re: Politicians to Support in 2012 - Why or Why not?
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2012, 10:46:03 AM »
I know some guys like Caldwell because he's said he's pro 2A.  I will say this.............in the time he was #2 in the City and the time he was Mayor..............what did he do for the shooting community? 

To me the answer is nothing.  He's full of hot air.  I know there are others on the site that feel differently, but I again have to ask, what did he do and we all know the answer to that.

Ask yourself what Ben did for gun owners while he was in office. As for what Caldwell tried to do, I can tell you that I was personally involved in several discussions with him about firearms and range improvements. During his short tenure as acting Mayor, he began the process to make significant range improvements, including building a classroom. And, after witnessing his demeanor in that meeting, I can GUARANTEE you that Caldwell is neither "full of hot air" nor is he "not tough enough" to get the job done. To illustrate the point, when Caldwell's legal staff kept giving excuses as to why things like a public/private effort to improve the range and build the classroom could not be done, Caldwell, said "I don't want to hear why we can't do it...I want to know how we can do it. I want to see your report on my desk detailing how to proceed by Monday [a little less than a week]." So, myself and the other attendees of that particular meeting (which included the HRA President, HCR-PAC Chair, and the LIFE Vice President) can all attest to both his genuine desire to help us, the shooting community, as well as his willingness to fight for what he wants. Don't let what you see on the TV or the political ads fool you...he's got the stones to do what he thinks is right, and he truly believes in "our" issues.

As for what he did when he was Managing Director, well Mufi was his boss at the time and while we (HRA) were working with Mufi, Caldwell was not in a position to effect any independent changes or efforts.

As for the rail issue, that's another matter and each voter will need to determine how much weight to give that issue in regards to determining who to vote for. But, I can assure you that on the issue of firearms and firearms rights, Caldwell is not blowing hot air and has the tenacity and strength of character to be of great help to us. 

GZire

Re: Politicians to Support in 2012 - Why or Why not?
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2012, 05:50:53 AM »
Ask yourself what Ben did for gun owners while he was in office. As for what Caldwell tried to do, I can tell you that I was personally involved in several discussions with him about firearms and range improvements. During his short tenure as acting Mayor, he began the process to make significant range improvements, including building a classroom. And, after witnessing his demeanor in that meeting, I can GUARANTEE you that Caldwell is neither "full of hot air" nor is he "not tough enough" to get the job done. To illustrate the point, when Caldwell's legal staff kept giving excuses as to why things like a public/private effort to improve the range and build the classroom could not be done, Caldwell, said "I don't want to hear why we can't do it...I want to know how we can do it. I want to see your report on my desk detailing how to proceed by Monday [a little less than a week]." So, myself and the other attendees of that particular meeting (which included the HRA President, HCR-PAC Chair, and the LIFE Vice President) can all attest to both his genuine desire to help us, the shooting community, as well as his willingness to fight for what he wants. Don't let what you see on the TV or the political ads fool you...he's got the stones to do what he thinks is right, and he truly believes in "our" issues.

As for what he did when he was Managing Director, well Mufi was his boss at the time and while we (HRA) were working with Mufi, Caldwell was not in a position to effect any independent changes or efforts.

As for the rail issue, that's another matter and each voter will need to determine how much weight to give that issue in regards to determining who to vote for. But, I can assure you that on the issue of firearms and firearms rights, Caldwell is not blowing hot air and has the tenacity and strength of character to be of great help to us.

..............and what has Caldwell accomplished?  Again, he has accomplished nothing.  You stated that he told his staff he wanted to see why the C&C could do something...........where is it?  Did Kirk share that with you?  Caldwell is part of the Old Boy Network.  I personally feel his is part of the problem, not part of the solution. 

Also having the stones and the brains to do things is something else entirely.  He is a grade A moron.  One only has to watch the debates to see that.  As Director I remember seeing him on TV during a debate where is has 0 awareness of what his project entailed, the only person on the panel (including the moderator) who was unaware of what the City proposal was stating.  Take a look at the lies that Mufi, Caldwell, & Carlisle have perpetuated regarding Rail.  Do you not remember how we were guaranteed $3B and now it's acknowledged by those same people as $5.5+B?  Do you not remember how the C&C knew of redesign issues required by the Airport 1 year in advance of the required changes?  Probably not...............nor probably do you remember how this cost $125M in changes.  Just think what a fraction of that could do to help all the people of the C&C.  What about the rumored 10,000 additional jobs from Rail?  Well Rail is stopped right now and by accounts Kiewit laid off approximately 30 people.


Make no mistake about it, this upcoming election for the Mayors race is primarily regarding Rail will have a long lasting impact on the State of Hawaii and Oahu especially easily for the next 50+ years.  All this while we have $3B in EPA mandated changes or we will be fined more money.  Think about that.......in the next 10 years we need to come up with $10B in changes............the people in charge at the C&C have done nothing to address these issues.

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Re: Politicians to Support in 2012 - Why or Why not?
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2012, 06:04:36 AM »
take a look at this sh*t... :wtf:




I hope you are thinking about who you vote for, real serious.

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Re: Politicians to Support in 2012 - Why or Why not?
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2012, 06:39:40 AM »
Wow
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