Wow

..............and what has Caldwell accomplished?  Again, he has accomplished nothing.  You stated that he told his staff he wanted to see why the C&C could do something...........where is it?  Did Kirk share that with you?  Caldwell is part of the Old Boy Network.  I personally feel his is part of the problem, not part of the solution. 

Also having the stones and the brains to do things is something else entirely.  He is a grade A moron.  One only has to watch the debates to see that.  As Director I remember seeing him on TV during a debate where is has 0 awareness of what his project entailed, the only person on the panel (including the moderator) who was unaware of what the City proposal was stating.  Take a look at the lies that Mufi, Caldwell, & Carlisle have perpetuated regarding Rail.  Do you not remember how we were guaranteed $3B and now it's acknowledged by those same people as $5.5+B?  Do you not remember how the C&C knew of redesign issues required by the Airport 1 year in advance of the required changes?  Probably not...............nor probably do you remember how this cost $125M in changes.  Just think what a fraction of that could do to help all the people of the C&C.  What about the rumored 10,000 additional jobs from Rail?  Well Rail is stopped right now and by accounts Kiewit laid off approximately 30 people.


Make no mistake about it, this upcoming election for the Mayors race is primarily regarding Rail will have a long lasting impact on the State of Hawaii and Oahu especially easily for the next 50+ years.  All this while we have $3B in EPA mandated changes or we will be fined more money.  Think about that.......in the next 10 years we need to come up with $10B in changes............the people in charge at the C&C have done nothing to address these issues.

Yes, but many people forget in the context of this forum, most of us are looking at 2A viable candidates.  This may mean just who doesn't hate as much as the next guy does lol.  I hope that people are not just making the decision off of 2A; although, arguably, I think it is one of the more important amendments if we need to defend the other stuff.

..............and what has Caldwell accomplished?  Again, he has accomplished nothing.  You stated that he told his staff he wanted to see why the C&C could do something...........where is it?  Did Kirk share that with you?  Caldwell is part of the Old Boy Network.  I personally feel his is part of the problem, not part of the solution. 

Also having the stones and the brains to do things is something else entirely.  He is a grade A moron.  One only has to watch the debates to see that.  As Director I remember seeing him on TV during a debate where is has 0 awareness of what his project entailed, the only person on the panel (including the moderator) who was unaware of what the City proposal was stating.  Take a look at the lies that Mufi, Caldwell, & Carlisle have perpetuated regarding Rail.  Do you not remember how we were guaranteed $3B and now it's acknowledged by those same people as $5.5+B?  Do you not remember how the C&C knew of redesign issues required by the Airport 1 year in advance of the required changes?  Probably not...............nor probably do you remember how this cost $125M in changes.  Just think what a fraction of that could do to help all the people of the C&C.  What about the rumored 10,000 additional jobs from Rail?  Well Rail is stopped right now and by accounts Kiewit laid off approximately 30 people.


Make no mistake about it, this upcoming election for the Mayors race is primarily regarding Rail will have a long lasting impact on the State of Hawaii and Oahu especially easily for the next 50+ years.  All this while we have $3B in EPA mandated changes or we will be fined more money.  Think about that.......in the next 10 years we need to come up with $10B in changes............the people in charge at the C&C have done nothing to address these issues.

Plans for massive wastewater tunnel in Windward Oahu

Posted: Oct 04, 2012 10:07 PM
Updated: Oct 04, 2012 11:39 PM

By Ben Gutierrez

KAILUA, OAHU (HawaiiNewsNow) -
City officials are pushing for a project in which in a three-mile-long tunnel, about ten to 13 feet in diameter, would be built to carry wastewater from Kaneohe to Kailua.
 
The tunnel would replace an aging 42-inch force main under Kaneohe Bay Drive. Engineers said it is needed to prevent a disaster similar to the one that happened in Waikiki in 2006, when a similar force main failed.
 
"There is only one force main that carries all that water, and if anything should happen to the force main, if it goes down like the one in Waikiki, there's the potential for major spillage in Kaneohe Bay until that force main can be repaired," said Earl Matsukawa of the engineering firm Wilson Okomoto Corporation.
 
Matsukawa and others showed the plans to the Kailua Neighborhood Board Thursday night.
 
The tunnel would be built beneath the Oneawa Hills area of Kailua, mauka of Kaneohe Bay Drive. The project would include improvements to the Kaneohe Wastewater Pre-Treatment Facility and the Kailua Regional Wastewater Treatment Plant. Engineers said it would cost a total of about $280 million dollars, and take five years to complete.
 
Some neighborhood board members are still skeptical about the project.
 
"This is absolute madness," said board member Ron Weinberg. "What is the value of it? What is the value added? Why are you doing this?"
 
Matsukawa reiterated the risk that a force mail failure would spill sewage into Kaneohe Bay. He also noted that some residents along the tunnel's proposed route are worried about the digging that will be required.

"Many of the concerns are related to the unstable soil conditions in some of the residences, and some of the concerns that vibrations from the tunnel boring machines could aggravate soil conditions and possibly cause property damage," he said.
 
Questions also were raised about what would be done with the material dug up by the machines, and if they would be trucked along Quarry Road. "Everybody is aware of the very poor condition of the Quarry Road, and if it is decided to take a hundred trucks a day, for years, years, over that road, what is the impact going to be?" asked board member Donna Wong.
 
Matsukawa said that ultimately, it would be up to the company that eventually gets the contract to do the work.
 
Public hearings will be held next month on the project, which is estimated at $280 million. Construction is scheduled to begin in November 2013, and take five years to complete.

City engineers have Lost the knowledge that the old Retired guys have.

I think they will be in for  a Very Rude surprise when the tunnel boring machines start drilling.

As #2 under Mufi, Caldwell just can't go and change things as he see fit, Mufi is still in charge.

As I said before, Mufi inherited problems CAUSED by Jeremy.

If Rail is your main concern, then vote for Ben.  But, give very Serious consideration to what he Says and What consequences there are

if Rail is Totally Stopped.   

Just What Legal ramifications will there be.  Some one(the Tax Payer) will be footing the Ultimate bill, Win, Loose or Draw.

As far as Which politician to vote for, do your Homework.

Linda Lingle,  put 17 Conservative Judges in the Sate Judiciary.  Abercrombie is Now filling Judicial Appointments with Very Left wing LIBERAL Judges.

Some of you are very Naive about local Politics.  There is a Lot of Behind the Scens Activity that you don't know about

Just because a person is A rated and elected into office doesn't mean he/she can work miracles.  Politics is a Give and Take situation, Compromises must

be made if a politician wants Enough Support to get his/her Bill passed thru Committee and the House and Senate.

Many politicians have Never Worked a Real job.  Idealist liberals have no clue what the REAL world is about.

If one of them is Your Rep/Senator, then it is your job to "educate" them to what Real Life is all about.

What you do Not want to do is to Piss them off and alienate them to the 2A viewpoint.

My 2 cents, for what it's worth.

HiCarry.........did I ever say that Ben is pro-2A or that he is not part of the Old Boy network?  No I did not.

I said that Caldwell is an idiot and he's ineffectual.  There has only been one single person better able to affect change in the C&C than Caldwell and that guy was Mufi.  Rail.............yes I am pro Ben because of Rail.  I am also against Caldwell because as the #2 person in the C&C it was his responsibility to run the C&C while Mufi wasn't around.  Under their watch you are looking at EPA mandated improvements to the sewer systems or massive fines will be levied.  This is in addition to the EPA already fining the C&C.  The cost for the changes will affect all the tax payers of the C&C, there is no bailout from the tourists via a 0.5% tax increase.  The cost for the sewer improvements will be more than the original cost of Rail.

The fact of the matter is Mufi, Caldwell, Carlisle, Ben............they are part of the problem.  The issue in my mind is that Ben is the least problematic.  I have never said anything else.

You get angry and bent when I voice my opinions about Caldwell.........well guess what I am still waiting for answers on what he has done as the #2 person in the C&C.  I am still waiting for the plan to make improvements to Kokohead given that he was supposed to get that on his desk several days after he met with you.  What did he say when you guys had your follow up meeting?  What did he do as far as directing changes?  We all know here that the budget for Kokohead + the other area lumped in with it is in the several hundreds of thousands of dollars.........where are the changes?

take a look at this sh*t...




I hope you are thinking about who you vote for, real serious.

You may not have said Ben was "pro-gun" but you certainly inferred that he was by asking what Caldwell did for the shooting community. As for the follow up on the plans for the improvements discussed at the shooting range, he was following up and did have plans for moving forward. Unfortunately all those plans were dashed when he was not elected. Instead Carlisle was elected and.....

GZ - I am not "angry" or "bent" over anything....you have every right to voice your opinion. All I was attempting to point out is that you seem to saying Caldwell is not really "pro-2A" because he hasn't done anything for the shooting community. I was pointing out that neither has Cayetano, who you seem to support over Caldwell. You then seem to accuse Caldwell of being part of the problem, part of the old boy network you identify as part of the problem as you perceive it. It is you that seemed to get "bent" over this by saying that you never said Ben wasn't part of that same old boy problem you accuse Caldwell of being.

As I have said, numerous times, there are a multitude of issues one might use to determine for whom to vote. I have focused my reasons for supporting Caldwell solely on gun rights issues. You ask what Caldwell has done and I have offered you my observations and interpretations of those actions. You may use that as you see fit in making your voting choices.

You're right, I can not find an instance where you said Ben was pro-2A, but you seemed to infer it when challenging Caldwell's 2A accomplishments and support. IMHO, It does seem a little disingenuous to challenge so vociferously Caldwell's 2A support/accomplishments and then leave out any evaluation of Ben's......

This should be a "friendly" discussion about the merits of various candidates, and in this forum, their respective views and support of 2A issues. We should be able to do this without assuming anyone is angry or bent....mainly because regardless of the outcome of this election, we all will need to come together to continue fighting for our 2A rights....so, if I have somehow offended you, or caused you to believe I was attacking your view, I was not. I was simply trying to provide my view, based on my personal interactions and observations of the Candidate that I believe would best serve the interests and issues of Hawaii's shooters. I purposefully avoided other issues because, well, this is a firearms forum.

Aloha

I disagree HiCarry.

I have never said or implied that Ben was pro-2A.  I have always and still maintain that this race for Mayor is built around the Rail.  This is the case while not one of the candidates is even talking about the EPA mandated changes to Oahu's sewer system. Changes which will be nearly as much as the Rail.

just because I said Caldwell has done squat doesn't mean that I am saying or implying that Ben is pro-2A and it's unfortunate that you interpreted it that way.  I did ask about the report that Caldwell promised and I have yet to see if he came up with that.  Did Caldwell give you his peoples findings?  You mentioned it and I asked for it before.  I am asking for it again.  Did Caldwell come up with the reports and if so what did they say?  I also point to the fact that while Caldwell only spent several months as Mayor, he was still the Mayor and I think if he was truly motivated to do so, could have made changes.

So in no uncertain terms I will say it again;
I have never said or implied that Ben was pro-2A.  This race for Mayor is built around the Rail.  The next Mayor will also need to deal with several billion dollars of EPA mandated changes to Oahu's sewer system.


I certainly hope that if Caldwell wins that I am totally wrong about him and his support of 2A issues. 

I will also say that I understand that you are focusing your discussion of Mayor on 2A issues, however the title of this thread is "Politicians to Support in 2012 -  Why or Why not?"  The title is not "Which Politicians are 2A" because you folks at HRA already put that out.

GZ - Caldwell was Acting Mayor from 20 July to 11 October 2010, less than 3 months. If I recall correctly, we met with him mid-to late September. Did we get a report from his people? No. But I didn't hold that against him as he was out of office just a few weeks after we met. And, if you somehow believe that even a motivated person could accomplish any meaningful changes within that short period of time, especially when working with uncooperative City employees who know "you" could be out of office in a few short weeks, you simply don't understand how slowly the wheels of government turn....or you are imposing unrealistic expectations on him because of your personal bias.

Bottom line - If you want a pro-gun candidate who has been truely interested and involved in "our" issues, it is my opinion that Caldwell is the guy.

Aloha