Trump bans "transgender" from military (Read 32187 times)

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump bans "transgender" from military
« Reply #80 on: August 01, 2017, 11:26:13 PM »
The whole issue is who pays for such transformation, I don't think the taxpayer aught to, that's my opinion.   

Hey. Whatever floats your boat...  don't make me pay for that yacht, that's all on you...

That is my biggest objection. A sex change is an elective operation, they must pay for it themselves.

All_rice

Re: Trump bans "transgender" from military
« Reply #81 on: August 01, 2017, 11:52:20 PM »
FYI  the don't ask don't tell is no longer regulation.  Some of you are also missing some critical information.  There's the issue of a TG currently serving and a TG that is trying to enlist.

TG trying to enlist are supposed to list all medications, surgeries, medical history.  If they don't, and it comes up after they enlist.  They will be discharged with a fraudulent enlistment.  There are also other factors, are they pre or post op, transitioning, etc.  a male with breast implants would be referred for a psych evaluation. At which point they would be DQ for psych.  If post op same thing.  They would also need to have legally changed birth certificate to sex they changed to, but they would still need to disclose any surgeries, which leads back to a psych eval.

until this goes into affect, The military does not recognize someone as TG just because they say they identify as one.  They would need to have surgery and get their sex legally changed. Up until that point, they will be recognized as what is stated on their BC and held to that standard. So a male can say he's TG all he wants, but his appearance needs to follow the male standards. 

I didn't address a lot in this thread as there is so much. 

I am a Soldier currently serving currently as a Senior Recruiter.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2017, 12:03:51 AM by All_rice »
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump bans "transgender" from military
« Reply #82 on: August 02, 2017, 12:36:06 AM »
So their military opinion only matters when it agrees with you?

Their opinions don't have to agree with me, but they do have to be based in operational reality.  A retired officer has the luxury of publicizing their opinions without the responsibility of implementing the policies nor dealing with any problems they cause.

BTW, Admirals and Generals don't have to share their sleeping quarters with people they don't know.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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drck1000

Re: Trump bans "transgender" from military
« Reply #83 on: August 02, 2017, 07:26:15 AM »
I'm probably missing something, but I can't see why the Government is paying for what is an elective procedure/process.  Even worse, why we paid for the transformation for Bradley/Chelsea Manning while in prison.  Ok, even if it can be justified as a need, I have a friend who has been waiting for a year for surgery to correct things from injuries sustained while deployed.  Ok, I get that common sense is not that common, but I would think that you'd need to prioritize caring for those who were injured (and getting them "back to good" again, or at least as best as possible) while serving honorably before those who want to transition.

robtmc

Re: Trump bans "transgender" from military
« Reply #84 on: August 02, 2017, 11:08:12 AM »
BTW, Admirals and Generals don't have to share their sleeping quarters with people they don't know.
Also, that rank is passed through Congress and approved by them.  A political post if there ever was one.

Who can forget all the senior officers Obunga purged, apparently for not going along with his homosexualization and neutering of the military.  How many of those purged are on this list?

aieahound

Re: Trump bans "transgender" from military
« Reply #85 on: August 02, 2017, 11:34:54 AM »
I don't know about discrediting Generals and Admirals, but good comment about the purge with the repeal of don't ask don't tell, among other issues.

Couple pretty good articles on it listed below, though most quotes are again from retired Generals and high ranking officers.
It's well discussed on the web.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/18/president-obama-wary-of-generals-admirals-commandi/

https://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2014/11/14/list-of-military-elite-purged-and-fired-under-obama-compiled-by-general-paul-vallely-3-17-14/

Also a response from the  Left to the purge claim:

https://skeptoid.com/blog/2014/03/24/president-obama-purge-military/
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zippz

Re: Trump bans "transgender" from military
« Reply #86 on: August 02, 2017, 02:07:34 PM »
You're not going to hear currently serving Generals go against the direction of the President.  Generals are expected to follow the President's orders even if they don't agree with them.  They may state their disagreement in private to the Sec of Def but not publicly.  Retirees don't have the limitation.