PDs will hate it because they will need more personnel in the firearms section and they must be certified gunsmith on eachbtypenof firearm and modification.  An impossible task.

Not disputing it would make more work. Just that they could default to non- compliant if left up to individual making determination.

3) Can someone explain how our bill to law process works?  I got the district rep proposes bill.  Then it goes to committee (5 people?)  who votes if it goes to...and how many people are involved.

Like this?

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=29982.0

And this?
 https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=29599.0

Like this?

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=29982.0

Thanks zipps, I guess I'm one of those lazy F*kka's.

What determines if a proposed bill goes to the house or senate?  I want to make sure I contact the right person.  Example: Mike Gabbard proposed 17rd mag limits (Senate), but Scott Nishimoto proposed CCW (House).

Thanks zipps, I guess I'm one of those lazy F*kka's.

What determines if a proposed bill goes to the house or senate?  I want to make sure I contact the right person.  Example: Mike Gabbard proposed 17rd mag limits (Senate), but Scott Nishimoto proposed CCW (House).

The House or Senate first votes on bills in committees depending if the bill is proposed/"introduced" by a Representative or a Senator. Sometimes the bills have a "companion" bill in the other chamber that is virtually identical, when a senator and rep get together prior to submitting bills. If not, then if the one chamber's committees pass the bill, it goes to the other chamber and if it passes committees there it goes to the full chamber... at which point, I believe, a joint senate-house committee make any final changes before the floor votes in each chamber. Then to the governor if it passes.

Senator Gabbard also has a CCW shall issue bill (SB2067) and the stun gun ban repeal bill (SB2068). The handgun mag limit to 17 is SB2066.

The House or Senate first votes on bills in committees depending if the bill is proposed/"introduced" by a Representative or a Senator. Sometimes the bills have a "companion" bill in the other chamber that is virtually identical, when a senator and rep get together prior to submitting bills. If not, then if the one chamber's committees pass the bill, it goes to the other chamber and if it passes committees there it goes to the full chamber... at which point, I believe, a joint senate-house committee make any final changes before the floor votes in each chamber. Then to the governor if it passes.

Senator Gabbard also has a CCW shall issue bill (SB2067) and the stun gun ban repeal bill (SB2068). The handgun mag limit to 17 is SB2066.

Got it, the arrow and dotted/solid lines on the flow chart were confusing. So Follow either the solid line or the dotted (depending if a rep or a senator submitted the bill), but either way, each bill goes to both the house and senate before going to the lower portion of the flow chart.

Got it, the arrow and dotted/solid lines on the flow chart were confusing. So Follow either the solid line or the dotted (depending if a rep or a senator submitted the bill), but either way, each bill goes to both the house and senate before going to the lower portion of the flow chart.

one VERY important thing to know is that conference committee takes place WITHOUT PUBLIC COMMENT
and the conference committee has the power to change any language it chooses
it can even change the complete bill or restore language that was already defeated in committee or house/sentate floor
this is why it is important to always testify and call/email and make sure everyone knows where we stand and that they will be held accountable (cough)

S 2/9/2018: Reported from PSM (Stand. Com. Rep. No. 2177) with recommendation of passage on Second Reading and referral to JDC.   
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2018/bills/SB2046_.pdf   
SB2046   Firearms; Trigger Modification Devices; Bump Stocks   
RELATING TO FIREARMS.   Prohibits trigger modification devices, including bump stocks, that are designed or function to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic firearm.   
Oppose.   K. RHOADS, S. CHANG, KEITH-AGARAN, NISHIHARA, Shimabukuro   PSM, JDC   

S 2/9/2018: Reported from PSM (Stand. Com. Rep. No. 2177) with recommendation of passage on Second Reading and referral to JDC.   
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2018/bills/SB2046_.pdf   
SB2046   Firearms; Trigger Modification Devices; Bump Stocks   
RELATING TO FIREARMS.   Prohibits trigger modification devices, including bump stocks, that are designed or function to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic firearm.   
Oppose.   K. RHOADS, S. CHANG, KEITH-AGARAN, NISHIHARA, Shimabukuro   PSM, JDC   

BUMP

Copy and pasting JI808's post in another thread:

These 2 bills have moved on to the Senate JDC committee. 

S 2/9/2018: Reported from PSM (Stand. Com. Rep. No. 2177) with recommendation of passage on Second Reading and referral to JDC.   
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2018/bills/SB2046_.pdf   
SB2046   Firearms; Trigger Modification Devices; Bump Stocks   
RELATING TO FIREARMS.   Prohibits trigger modification devices, including bump stocks, that are designed or function to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic firearm.   
Oppose.   K. RHOADS, S. CHANG, KEITH-AGARAN, NISHIHARA, Shimabukuro   PSM, JDC   
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=2046&year=2018

S 2/9/2018: Reported from PSM (Stand. Com. Rep. No. 2165) with recommendation of passage on Second Reading, as amended (SD 1) and referral to JDC.   
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2018/bills/SB2436_SD1_.pdf   
SB2436 SD1   Firearms; Ammunition; Disqualification; Voluntary Surrender   
RELATING TO FIREARMS.   Shortens the time period for voluntary surrender of firearms and ammunition upon disqualification from ownership, possession, or control from 30 days to 24 hours. (SD1)   
Oppose.   NISHIHARA, BAKER, K. RHOADS, Espero, L. Thielen, Wakai   PSM, JDC
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=2436&year=2018

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Please contact your senators if they are in this committee.

JDC Committee:
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/committeepage.aspx?comm=JDC&year=2018


Brian T. Taniguchi (HRA 2012 B rating and NRA 2010 B+ rating)
Senate District 11
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 219
phone: 808-586-6460
fax: 808-586-6461
sentaniguchi@capitol.hawaii.gov


Karl Rhoads (NRA and HRA F rating)
Senate District 13
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 204
phone: 808-586-6130
fax: 808-586-6131
senrhoads@capitol.hawaii.gov


Mike Gabbard (HRA 2012 A rating and NRA 2010 A Rating)
Senate District 20
Hawaii State Capitol
Room 201
phone: 808-586-6830
fax: 808-586-6679
sengabbard@capitol.hawaii.gov


Donna Mercado Kim (HRA 2014 F rating and NRA 2010 F rating)
Senate District 14
Hawaii State Capitol
Room 218
phone: 808-587-7200
fax: 808-587-7205
senkim@capitol.hawaii.gov


Laura Thielen (HRA 2012 C Rating)
Senate District 25
Hawaii State Capitol
Room 231
phone: 808-587-8388
fax: 808-587-7240
senthielen@capitol.hawaii.gov

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There are 2 VERY Anti-2A senators and 2 lukewarm pro-2A senators and 5th neutral one who has already voted for this bill on the PSM committee (Laura Thielen). 

We're screwed.

Please contact Gabbard, Taniguchi and Thielen to encourage them to vote against these bills.

Late Friday "document dump ala D.C.:

This means written testimony must be submitted by Monday at 9:30 AM to not be "LATE".

SB2436

(SB2046 will be considered at same meeting!)

COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY

Senator Brian T. Taniguchi, Chair

Senator Karl Rhoads, Vice Chair

NOTICE OF DECISION MAKING

DATE: Tuesday, February 27, 2018

TIME: 9:30 a.m.

PLACE: Conference Room 016

Decision making meeting only, no oral testimony will be accepted.

Persons wishing to submit written testimony may do so up to 24 hours prior to the hearing.

Late Friday "document dump ala D.C.:

This means written testimony must be submitted by Monday at 9:30 AM to not be "LATE".

SB2046

(SB2436 will be considered at same meeting!)

COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY

Senator Brian T. Taniguchi, Chair

Senator Karl Rhoads, Vice Chair

NOTICE OF DECISION MAKING

DATE: Tuesday, February 27, 2018

TIME: 9:30 a.m.

PLACE: Conference Room 016

Decision making meeting only, no oral testimony will be accepted.

Persons wishing to submit written testimony may do so up to 24 hours prior to the hearing.

I need help collecting testimonies at koko head sat afternoon and Sunday.  Also at gun stores.  Msg me your phone number and ill contact you.

If you signed the paper testimony at koko head last weekend, you don't have to do new testimony online.

If you do want to submit testimony online, like to add comments, msg me so I can discard the paper one.

I'll be submitting online sometime by Sunday night. Out with the boy scouts for the annual pew pew camp.

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Done

I need help collecting testimonies at koko head sat afternoon and Sunday.  Also at gun stores.  Msg me your phone number and ill contact you.

 They've attempted to allay concerns about the bill affecting other devices and accessories twice now.   In light of the updated bill narrowing the restriction to bump stocks and binary triggers, what arguments would you use against the bill now?

They've attempted to allay concerns about the bill affecting other devices and accessories twice now.   In light of the updated bill narrowing the restriction to bump stocks and binary triggers, what arguments would you use against the bill now?

This bill, SB2046, was not changed since introduction.

Clarification there are 2 separate bills.  HB1908 was amended to only affect bumpstocks, trigger cranks, etc.  SB2046 has not changed and still affects trigger mods.

If you are asking this question, you should've attended the legislative workshop.

They've attempted to allay concerns about the bill affecting other devices and accessories twice now.   In light of the updated bill narrowing the restriction to bump stocks and binary triggers, what arguments would you use against the bill now?

If you want to learn more about how the legislative process works, read my other thread https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=29982.0 or msg me and we'll meet up and I'll go over all the questions that you have.

They've attempted to allay concerns about the bill affecting other devices and accessories twice now.   In light of the updated bill narrowing the restriction to bump stocks and binary triggers, what arguments would you use against the bill now?

HB 1908 was limited to only bump stocks and trigger cranks

this is SB 2046, which still includes the trigger mods
we need to fight this one too, especially since we will not be able to testify in person at the hearing

one thing you could say is to adopt the wording of HB 1908
or you can argue against the trigger modification part