There's 4 of us here.  Still waiting for HB1908.

Thanks for the update zippz. They finally posted the testimony:

FOR     3 (three) (includes identical letter as for SB2064 from Harry Kim on government stationery)

OPPOSED  90 (ninety)(includes 27 handwritten oppsositions as a results of zippz's outreach effort!)
OPPOSED LATE 22 (twenty-two)

OPPOSED TOTAL: 112 (one hundred and twelve)

A ratio of more that 37 to 1 OPPOSED! Will it pass unanimously?!

Bill was passed with 1 nay from McDermott.  It was amended with language to make it more clear it only affects bump stocks and trigger cranks instead of regular trigger replacements/mods.

Bill was passed with 1 nay from McDermott.  It was amended with language to make it more clear it only affects bump stocks and trigger cranks instead of regular trigger replacements/mods.

Thanks zippz. Since the amended version won't likely be available until tomorrow, could you tell us if they left the "multiburst" and "burst" terminology in, and was there any mention of the testimonies that pointed out that that terminology refers to the already banned automatic and/or select fire weapons? Still includes rubber bands, etc.?

Thanks for the update Zippz.

In my opinion stop mentioning rubber-bands and belt loops unless we want semi-auto's banned.
(Yeah go off into your folks pipe -dream shall not be infringed speeches)

With amendments, if it really is just bump stocks and trigger cranks, and it passes over SB 2046, we win. IMO.
SB2046 is pure evil.

And I'm upset at the names missing from the testimony list.
I've dealt with a crap load of members. And only a fraction testify or are using aliases.

For the record.

H 2/13/2018: The committees on JUD recommend that the measure be PASSED, WITH AMENDMENTS. The votes were as follows: 7 Ayes: Representative(s) Nishimoto, San Buenaventura, Brower, C. Lee, Morikawa, Takayama, Thielen; Ayes with reservations: none; 1 Noes: Representative(s) McDermott; and Excused: none.   
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2018/bills/HB1908_.pdf   
HB1908   Prohibited; Multiburst Trigger Activators   
RELATING TO FIREARMS.   Prohibits multiburst trigger activators.   
Oppose.   TAKAYAMA, CREAGAN, DECOITE, GATES, ING, KEOHOKALOLE, LOPRESTI, LOWEN, NISHIMOTO, SAY   JUD, CPC   

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JUD Committee members are the following:

McDermott is the only one who voted NO on this bill.


Bob McDermott (HRA 2016 Rating A)
House District 40
Hawaii State Capitol
Room 330
phone: 808-586-9730
fax: 808-586-9738
repmcdermott@Capitol.hawaii.gov


So with 3 testimonies in support and 122 testimonies in opposition, these are the rest of the jokers people's representatives who voted FOR this bill.


Scott Y. Nishimoto (HRA 2016 Rating F, NRA 2014 Rating D)
House District 21
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 421
phone: 808-586-8515
fax: 808-586-8519


Joy A. San Buenaventura (HRA 2016 Rating F)
House District 4
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 302
phone: 808-586-6530
fax: 808-586-6531
repsanbuenaventura@Capitol.hawaii.gov


Tom Brower (HRA 2016 Rating D, NRA 2014 Rating B)
House District 22
Hawaii State Capitol
Room 315
phone: 808-586-8520
fax: 808-586-8524
repbrower@Capitol.hawaii.gov


Chris Lee (HRA 2016 Rating F)
House District 51
Hawaii State Capitol
Room 436
phone: 808-586-9450
fax: 808-586-9456
replee@Capitol.hawaii.gov


Dee Morikawa (HRA 2016 Rating C)
House District 16
Hawaii State Capitol
Room 442
phone: 808-586-6280
fax: 808-586-6281
repmorikawa@Capitol.hawaii.gov


Gregg Takayama (HRA 2016 Rating D)
House District 34
Hawaii State Capitol
Room 323
phone: 808-586-6340
fax: 808-586-6341
reptakayama@Capitol.hawaii.gov


Cynthia Thielen (HRA 2016 Rating D, NRA 2014 Rating C-)
House District 50
Hawaii State Capitol
Room 443
phone: 808-586-6480
fax: 808-586-6481
repthielen@Capitol.hawaii.gov

Thanks zippz. Since the amended version won't likely be available until tomorrow, could you tell us if they left the "multiburst" and "burst" terminology in, and was there any mention of the testimonies that pointed out that that terminology refers to the already banned automatic and/or select fire weapons? Still includes rubber bands, etc.?

Gotta see the bill when it's posted, they don't go over the exact wording of the amendment at the hearing.

When does the governor start signing bills usually?  Just so I know when to have my shit at the post office.

When does the governor start signing bills usually?  Just so I know when to have my shit at the post office.

May-June

Our clowns aren’t even that creative the amendments are verbatim from a California law, https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=16930

PENAL CODE - PEN
PART 6. CONTROL OF DEADLY WEAPONS [16000 - 34370]  ( Part 6 added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. ) 
TITLE 1. PRELIMINARY PROVISIONS [16000 - 17360]  ( Title 1 added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. ) 
DIVISION 2. DEFINITIONS [16100 - 17360]  ( Division 2 added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. ) 
16930. 
As used in this part, a “multiburst trigger activator” means either of the following:
(a) A device designed or redesigned to be attached to a semiautomatic firearm, which allows the firearm to discharge two or more shots in a burst by activating the device.
(b) A manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed and designed so that when attached to a semiautomatic firearm it increases the rate of fire of that firearm.
(Added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. (SB 1080) Effective January 1, 2011. Operative January 1, 2012, by Sec. 10 of Ch. 711.)

Our HB1908

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2018/bills/HB1908_.HTM

 
RELATING TO FIREARMS.
 
 
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF HAWAII:
 

     SECTION 1.  Chapter 134, Hawaii Revised Statutes, is amended by adding a new section to part I to be appropriately designated and to read as follows:
     "§134-    Multiburst trigger activator; prohibition.  (a)  Any person in this State who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the State, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, or possesses any multiburst trigger activator shall be guilty of a class C felony.
     (b)  As used in this section, "multiburst trigger activator" means:
     (1)  A device designed or redesigned to be attached to a semiautomatic firearm, which allows the firearm to discharge two or more shots in a burst by activating the device; or

     (2)  A manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed and designed so that when attached to a semiautomatic firearm it increases the rate of fire of that firearm."

     SECTION 2.  New statutory material is underscored.
     SECTION 3.  This Act shall take effect upon its approval.
 

Our clowns aren’t even that creative the amendments are verbatim from a California law, https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=16930

Yea, doesn't matter now that the bill's language was changed today.
Go to calguns.net to see how they interpreted their law.

Our clowns aren’t even that creative the amendments are verbatim from a California law, https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=16930

A lot of the anti-rights stuff is spoon-fed by civilian disarmament groups (Moms Demand Action, Violence Policy Center, et al.) who have huge phalanxes of lawyers paid for by Bloomberg, et al. to create the anti-rights legislation... which is usually adapted to each state's existing statutory language if necessary. The "progressive" Hawaii legislature has an abundance of clowns (who share the civilian disarmament goal) who willingly throw this stuff against the wall, probably without even the quid pro quo of a "donation".

When the amended version is posted by "our" government, I will post it here. Any bets on whether or not it will qualify for the adjective "stupid"? Or "ignorant"? Or "useless"? Or "unenforceable"? Etc.

Meanwhile, our government refuses to even schedule a hearing for a bill that will repeal the ban on stun guns, which the Supreme Court of the United States has already issued a UNANIMOUS (yes, even Ginsburg agreed!) per curiam decision that such bans are unconstitutional.

That's how much they honor their oaths to uphold the Constitution(s).

  

Talked to chair Nishimoto's and vice chair San Buenaventura's offices. The bill goes to the House Majority Staff Office to be rendered into the amended form. It may be two days until it is posted, maybe sooner.

Can  you also post the link to the testimonies

Yea, doesn't matter now that the bill's language was changed today.
Go to calguns.net to see how they interpreted their law.

You got the link?  I visited but there are 40 sub forums and I checked the politics one and others and couldn't find it.

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One click way to email all reps on JUD re HB1908 via NRA-ILA:

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20180210/hawaii-trigger-modification-bill-scheduled-for-hearing

DONE

We should have to require our legislators to take a course on the subject they are making legislation on and then pass a test indicating they understand the course material

We should have to require our legislators to take a course on the subject they are making legislation on and then pass a test indicating they understand the course material

That would result in a legislature of zero members. Which, come to think of it, is a great idea!

Just the tests on GMOs and guns would be enough to eliminate most of them, though given the makeup of the legislature they would have the "tests" created by advocates for the positions they already hold (GMOs Bad! Guns Bad!), so they'd all pass with flying colors.

Just like they won't even consider (even schedule a committee hearing) a bill that would change Hawaii from being the only state in the United States that has none of the following: Initiative, Referendum, Recall, Term Limits.

And then they wonder (rejoice?) why Hawaii has the lowest voter turnout in the entire United States...