I respectfully disagree.

I pay taxes for Hawaii's children to go to school to learn and, if possible, the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.  What better way for them to learn about the First Amendment than actually participating in a protest?  If they have very responsive parents, the parents will learn of whatever the subject matter of that protest and discuss it with their child.

Being made aware of the nature of protests goes a long way to creating an informed populace of the most pressing issues facing society and that's good for democracy.


Kuleana

Surprised you send your kids to the Imperialist American education system. I would've guessed that you would home school them.

If the goal of a protest is to create an awareness of an important issue, then so be it.  So what if the anti-Second Amendment crowd gets uncomfortable, that is what protests are suppose to do.  They are conducted to get people out of their comfort zone and made conscious of those societal issues that need their attention.

I strongly agree with Limey on this one. There's no way they would allow a pro-2A protest. Effectively what's happening is a 2 minutes of hate straight out of 1984. The only approved opinion is that of Democratic party who have apparently gone full INGSOC since Hillary started dressing like Dr. Evil and blaming Russia for the loss of her crappy campaign.

All this is teaching the kids is how to put on the straight jacket of eternal victim hood, squash all original and/or critical thought processes, and kowtow to the imperial state.

Surprised you send your kids to the Imperialist American education system. I would've guessed that you would home school them.

I am a staunch supporter of public school education and the DOE.  Never said I like the current curriculum they teach though.

By the way, you do realize that Hawaii's DOE had its beginning during the Hawaiian Kingdom era.   

I am a staunch supporter of public school education and the DOE.  Never said I like the current curriculum they teach though.

By the way, you do realize that Hawaii's DOE had its beginning during the Hawaiian Kingdom era.   

You'd be shocked to find what's lurking under those school playgrounds.

If someone wants to put together a 2a walkout, just follow their walkout instructions...

https://www.womensmarch.com/enough-toolkit

I strongly agree with Limey on this one. There's no way they would allow a pro-2A protest. Effectively what's happening is a 2 minutes of hate straight out of 1984. The only approved opinion is that of Democratic party who have apparently gone full INGSOC since Hillary started dressing like Dr. Evil and blaming Russia for the loss of her crappy campaign.

All this is teaching the kids is how to put on the straight jacket of eternal victim hood, squash all original and/or critical thought processes, and kowtow to the imperial state.

Being an Orwell fan, don't know how I missed this one, now on my list.
Sounds like it's the playbook for DNC, MSNBC, CNN  ETC...

I asked my daughter if she knew about this and she did.
She also said that she has a lot of stuff to do in school so she wouldn't want to waste time with this walkout.
At her school, the protesters are supposed to gather along Kalanianaole highway.

I asked my daughter if she knew about this and she did.
She also said that she has a lot of stuff to do in school so she wouldn't want to waste time with this walkout.
At her school, the protesters are supposed to gather along Kalanianaole highway.

This is exactly what is suppose to happen.  Parent finds out about a school sponsored protest; parents discuss with their child the issues surrounding the protest; child gains experience on their First Amendment rights and decide for themselves whether the protest makes sense to them or not.

This is what the school system should foster, not prevent, regardless of the nature of the protest.

This is exactly what is suppose to happen.  Parent finds out about a school sponsored protest; parents discuss with their child the issues surrounding the protest; child gains experience on their First Amendment rights and decide for themselves whether the protest makes sense to them or not.

This is what the school system should foster, not prevent, regardless of the nature of the protest.

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1- this is not a school sponsored project. Apparently the school has designated the side of the highway as their place of protest.
I think they did that to eliminate liability. A smart move.
2- if they step off school grounds they are committing truancy and could be arrested.

So basically the school will not stop the kids from protesting at that time, but the kids that do decide to walk out and protest can be arrested.
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story about truancy arrests from a few years ago:
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/13401033/truancy-arrests-common-on-oahu
 

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1- this is not a school sponsored project. Apparently the school has designated the side of the highway as their place of protest.
I think they did that to eliminate liability. A smart move.
2- if they step off school grounds they are committing truancy and could be arrested.

So basically the school will not stop the kids from protesting at that time, but the kids that do decide to walk out and protest can be arrested.
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story about truancy arrests from a few years ago:
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/13401033/truancy-arrests-common-on-oahu

As I explained, having talked to your child and discussing with them what this protest is all about, the child can make a decision of whether to participate or not.

If the school is not sanctioning the event, I don't think they can compel any student to participate, if the parents or child does not want them to participate.

As I explained, having talked to your child and discussing with them what this protest is all about, the child can make a decision of whether to participate or not.

If the school is not sanctioning the event, I don't think they can compel any student to participate, if the parents or child does not want them to participate.

yes, but since the school is not sponsoring, if they miss class or are tardy, they should be punished

yes, but since the school is not sponsoring, if they miss class or are tardy, they should be punished

True.

Then it is up to the parents and students to decide whether participating in whatever protest is worth the potential consequences.  Whatever the case, a situation such as this is a great learning tool for students about the First Amendment and knowing how some other laws or legal technicalities can be used to silence free speech.

True.

Then it is up to the parents and students to decide whether participating in whatever protest is worth the potential consequences.  Whatever the case, a situation such as this is a great learning tool for students about the First Amendment and knowing how some other laws or legal technicalities can be used to silence free speech.

but they are not being punished

but they are not being punished

Then that becomes an issue for the Principal or Vice-Principal.

Then that becomes an issue for the Principal or Vice-Principal.

the DOE is telling the staff not to punish
that's ludicrous

the DOE is telling the staff not to punish
that's ludicrous

Well, the drafting AWB 2018 is even more ludicrous.

Well, the drafting AWB 2018 is even more ludicrous.

Do you really believe, even a little bit, that the same deference would be given by DOE to students who announced a "walkout" for "Pro-Life/Anti-abortion" or "Second Amendment Liberty/Arm Our Teachers" or "Prosecute and Imprison Obama and Clinton" or any other "conservative" issue?

Do you really believe, even a little bit, that the same deference would be given by DOE to students who announced a "walkout" for "Pro-Life/Anti-abortion" or "Second Amendment Liberty/Arm Our Teachers" or "Prosecute and Imprison Obama and Clinton" or any other "conservative" issue?

There is no doubt that a similar event for the cause of "Pro-Life" or "Arm Our Teachers" may face hurdles in trying to stage a similar walkout, but until someone has tried, it only speculation at this point whether it would be blocked by DOE officials.

Just for the record, the planned walkout is an event in solidarity of the students lost in Florida and ending school shootings.  Although, we Second Amendment supporters, can infer that this event is another veiled attack against the Second Amendment, that is only one opinion and should not prevent the exercising of the First Amendment rights of some students.

True.

Then it is up to the parents and students to decide whether participating in whatever protest is worth the potential consequences.  Whatever the case, a situation such as this is a great learning tool for students about the First Amendment and knowing how some other laws or legal technicalities can be used to silence free speech.

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The minute that the protesters step off school grounds it's no longer a school discipline problem.
It becomes a truancy violation. If they get arrested, they won't give a craps about their 1st amendment rights because they'll now be concerned about stuff like Miranda rights and the 5th amendment, and police cars, and fingerprints and .....

Hey you're right! Yes that would be a VERY  educational experience.   

There is no doubt that a similar event for the cause of "Pro-Life" or "Arm Our Teachers" may face hurdles in trying to stage a similar walkout, but until someone has tried, it only speculation at this point whether it would be blocked by DOE officials.

Just for the record, the planned walkout is an event in solidarity of the students lost in Florida and ending school shootings.  Although, we Second Amendment supporters, can infer that this event is another veiled attack against the Second Amendment, that is only one opinion and should not prevent the exercising of the First Amendment rights of some students.

Of course it's "speculation", as far as we know, but it's founded in experience by observing the system in action. The DOE would likely give some kind of hypothetical lip service to allowing similar student actions for non-leftist issues, but I'd wager a fair sum that they'd have a different response to a "Pro-life" walkout.  All animals are equal. But some are more equal than others. Much like the facade, charade, pretense, or as I prefer to call it "lie", that the state of Hawaii claims when they say "Concealed carry licenses are available". No they're not. Everybody knows it, and that's why virtually no one applies because no matter what your circumstance you will be denied. Not to mention that no one should need an "exceptional case" "circumstance" to bear arms for self-defense.