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mrgaf

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #260 on: July 30, 2019, 08:23:23 AM »
Quote from: Kuleana on July 29, 2019, 10:14:04 PM

Apparently you have not seen the number of the Hawaiian national flags flown in distress recently around on all islands and in areas settled by Hawaiians on the continental US.

I have but as I stated, who gives a shit....  :D
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punaperson

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #261 on: July 30, 2019, 08:23:39 AM »
Quote from: stangzilla on July 30, 2019, 08:13:58 AM
seen on the news this morning, the protesters are the ones directing traffic at the intersection
wearing the reflective vests, waving stop signs, looks official
That's been happening since the first couple of days after the government installed the concrete barricades, which is why people have raised the question of government (aka taxpayers) liability should there be an accident that could in any way be linked to the government allowing "civilians" to engage in what is normally law enforcement duties. I believe it is all part and parcel of the complete capitulation of the Democrat government to the racists who claim victimhood, and therefore special status to violate the laws with impunity. They (Ige, Lyin' Harry, Ferreira, et al.) couldn't care less if the taxpayers get hooked for millions more dollars in a liability lawsuit.
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RSN172

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #262 on: July 30, 2019, 08:34:08 AM »
Saw a video on the news the other day,  a truck with State plates asking the protesters permission to drive pass their barricade.  Ridiculous.
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ren

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #263 on: July 30, 2019, 08:34:55 AM »
Quote from: Kuleana on July 29, 2019, 10:14:04 PM

Apparently you have not seen the number of the Hawaiian national flags flown in distress recently around on all islands and in areas settled by Hawaiians on the continental US.

I thought it was a truck cruise
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changemyoil66

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #264 on: July 30, 2019, 09:14:24 AM »
Like I said before, Ige and everyone dropped the ball.  As soon as they blocked a public road, they should have been arrested and keep arresting who ever blocks it.  It now sets precedent for any future protest.  Now can block king street, the state capitol, etc...

The only way this will end is either 1) TMT goes else where or 2) More force is used to allow the trucks to pass freely

Same thing like how the DOE allowed protest during school hours on school grounds with DOE employees helping.  I want to see a KKK protest and it gets denied.  Then sue DOE for 1a violation because they allowed a prior protest.
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oldfart

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #265 on: July 30, 2019, 10:12:42 AM »
Random thoughts....

Don't these people have jobs to go to?

And if they don't have jobs, why protest against something that would create jobs?
 
 Who is this angry loudmouth punk always on camera?
Kind of reminds me of an ISIS terrorist getting ready to chop the heads off some captured soldiers.
 
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changemyoil66

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #266 on: July 30, 2019, 10:17:58 AM »
Quote from: oldfart on July 30, 2019, 10:12:42 AM
Random thoughts....

Don't these people have jobs to go to?

And if they don't have jobs, why protest against something that would create jobs?
 
 Who is this angry loudmouth punk always on camera?
Kind of reminds me of an ISIS terrorist getting ready to chop the heads off some captured soldiers.

I think the old timers are retired.  Not sure how the young guy is paying his bills (probably via donations of $$$).  Which I don't think Soro's or like people are involved.  They could care less.

I don't think the telescope would create that much more jobs in the long run.  Just temp until the build is done, so it's not a main focus point for TMT.

There was an article that said due to the 16 day blocking of the road, the science studies are 1 year delayed now.  Maybe this blockade caused us to miss a UFO and us trying to contact them.  Cause we know how it works out for a more advanced party to come in contact with a less advanced party (Native Americans, Hawaiians, etc...)
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groveler

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #267 on: July 30, 2019, 01:27:59 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on July 30, 2019, 10:17:58 AM
I think the old timers are retired.  Not sure how the young guy is paying his bills (probably via donations of $$$).  Which I don't think Soro's or like people are involved.  They could care less.

I don't think the telescope would create that much more jobs in the long run.  Just temp until the build is done, so it's not a main focus point for TMT.

There was an article that said due to the 16 day blocking of the road, the science studies are 1 year delayed now.  Maybe this blockade caused us to miss a UFO and us trying to contact them.  Cause we know how it works out for a more advanced party to come in contact with a less advanced party (Native Americans, Hawaiians, etc...)
"There was an article that said due to the 16 day blocking of the road, the science studies are 1 year delayed now".
More than one telescope is involved with an observation, usually there are several observatories with different instruments,
located around the world, looking at the same thing at the same time or nearly so. 
The astronomers then wonder off, crunch data and publish the results.
If the time frame isn't close, the opportunity for that observation is lost.
As to the job count. Locally there is more than you'd think. I think the more important
part is the Bucks coming into the local economy from outside the economy.

"Cause we know how it works out for a more advanced party to come in contact with a less advanced party "
I really don't need a history lesson of the entire history of mankind.  What is done is done and we can't go
back. Can't handle it, I can't help you. Survivors assimilate. Slaves don't.  Read up on the history of all mankind.



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stangzilla

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #268 on: July 30, 2019, 01:32:38 PM »
Quote from: oldfart on July 30, 2019, 10:12:42 AM

 
 Who is this angry loudmouth punk always on camera?


the one that wears the Mahiole, or Ali'i feathered helmet (I had to google what it is called bc i'm not a Hawaiian historian)
is he Ali'i?  or a self appointed chief?
just kind of weird looking, a guy wears t-shirt and jeans with a Mahiole on his head
lately I see him without the Mahiole
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Heavies

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #269 on: July 30, 2019, 07:00:41 PM »
Quote from: stangzilla on July 30, 2019, 01:32:38 PM
the one that wears the Mahiole, or Ali'i feathered helmet (I had to google what it is called bc i'm not a Hawaiian historian)
is he Ali'i?  or a self appointed chief?
just kind of weird looking, a guy wears t-shirt and jeans with a Mahiole on his head
lately I see him without the Mahiole

I've heard that guy is not Ali'i, and that if he where wearing that back in the day, he would have been beheaded....
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punaperson

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #270 on: July 30, 2019, 07:46:09 PM »
Gee, who coulda guessed that the governor wimping out even more would have had this result with the criminals? Way to go moron.

Protesters celebrate governor’s decision to withdraw emergency proclamation for Mauna Kea

The governor on Tuesday withdrew an emergency proclamation for Mauna Kea, and announced the state had given the Thirty Meter Telescope an additional two years to start construction under an existing permit.

He said the state of emergency ― which drew widespread criticism from protesters and legal experts ― was lifted because there are “no immediate plans to move heavy equipment up the mountain.”

“We continue to seek and find a peaceful solution to move this project forward," Gov David Ige said, at a news conference. “For the safety of all involved, we do believe we want to deescalate things.”

Meanwhile, protesters said in a statement Tuesday afternoon that the governor’s decision to withdraw the emergency declaration “reaffirms our resolve.”

“Governor Ige has admitted that he underestimated our strength, unity, and broad public support,” the statement said. “Our numbers continue to grow and his ability to oppose his own people is increasingly becoming less and less justifiable. Ige’s rescinding of the emergency proclamation illustrates how he can no longer claim that we are threatening public safety. We are the public.”
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #271 on: July 30, 2019, 08:43:24 PM »
Quote from: Kuleana on July 29, 2019, 10:37:36 PM
THERE IS NO STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS WHEN IT COMES TO VIOLAIONS OF THE US CONSTITUTION!

You are absolutely right (I assume). So lets arrest all those involved in the overthrow. And lets sue anyone who was alive when it happened and benefited.


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Once again, you are using the wrong legal terminology.  If the US is illegally occupying a foreign territory, there is no voting or secession, but deoccupation that needs to take place.

I simply don't think it a very realistic option. There are numerous logistical challenges including but not limited to:
Who gets citizenship?
Will their be a monarchy restored?
If so, who gets claim the throne out of the multiple people alive today who can trace lineage today?
Do we kick out the US military? If so will we be able to make our own military sufficient to protect ourselves from the likes of China?
What if other islands want to be independent?
You think the USA will simply let us go because we point out it was an illegal overthrow?
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Kuleana

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #272 on: July 30, 2019, 09:08:07 PM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on July 30, 2019, 08:43:24 PM
You are absolutely right (I assume). So lets arrest all those involved in the overthrow. And lets sue anyone who was alive when it happened and benefited.


I simply don't think it a very realistic option. There are numerous logistical challenges including but not limited to:
Who gets citizenship?
Will their be a monarchy restored?
If so, who gets claim the throne out of the multiple people alive today who can trace lineage today?
Do we kick out the US military? If so will we be able to make our own military sufficient to protect ourselves from the likes of China?
What if other islands want to be independent?
You think the USA will simply let us go because we point out it was an illegal overthrow?


If the US and her people still believe and follow its Constitution, then yes, deoccupation will happen.

However, as with many of this forum, as evidenced by their emotionally led responses on this issue, do not believe or, like the democrats and liberals they despise, pick and choose when to follow the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.  Hence, deoccupation of Hawaii by the US will be very costly, indeed.
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omnigun

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #273 on: July 30, 2019, 09:31:10 PM »
Hope the hurricane blows all the protesters away.
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ren

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #274 on: July 30, 2019, 09:33:42 PM »
Quote from: Heavies on July 30, 2019, 07:00:41 PM
I've heard that guy is not Ali'i, and that if he where wearing that back in the day, he would have been beheaded....

I think that's the problem with the "movement" - everybody claims to be Ali'i but lack the vision true leaders have.
The freedoms this country affords them is fantastic isn't it?
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ren

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #275 on: July 30, 2019, 09:34:41 PM »
Quote from: omnigun on July 30, 2019, 09:31:10 PM
Hope the hurricane blows all the protesters away.

you waycist
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punaperson

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #276 on: July 30, 2019, 09:36:38 PM »
For those interested in another set of data besides that presented here by the resident know-it-all liar and obfuscator:

http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/hawaiiansovereignty/

There are links to 422 articles about the issue and claims of "sovereignty", "nation", "kingdom", etc.

At the bottom of the page are some links to basic introductory material, which the resident know-it-all will no doubt deem the mistaken erroneous notions of people who are sworn enemies of the Constitution and thus traitors to the U.S.A. Yeah, right.
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ren

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #277 on: July 31, 2019, 12:34:45 PM »
more celebs joining in the circus..
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/07/31/bruno-mars-takes-social-media-support-protest-against-tmt-project/

and the hypocrisy
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Standing in solidarity with protesters on Mauna Kea, protecting the Sacred ‘āina from scientific imperialism. It breaks my heart to see indigenous people and land continue to be dismissed by the state of Hawaii and its wealthy developers.

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RSN172

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #278 on: July 31, 2019, 03:02:33 PM »
And the State and LEOs there allowed the protesters to put up a barricade on the dirt road that went around the tents.  Spineless, gutless, useless.  Waste of taxpayer $$.  They may as well go home and leave the protesters in charge.  They already gotta ask for their permission to go pass the kupuna tents.
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ren

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #279 on: July 31, 2019, 03:10:11 PM »
Quote from: RSN172 on July 31, 2019, 03:02:33 PM
And the State and LEOs there allowed the protesters to put up a barricade on the dirt road that went around the tents.  Spineless, gutless, useless.  Waste of taxpayer $$.  They may as well go home and leave the protesters in charge.  They already gotta ask for their permission to go pass the kupuna tents.

This is the environment the Dems created. Criticizing law enforcement. Emotional based reasoning.
Spain is probably laughing at us now.
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