Hawaii is one of the most racist places I've ever lived -- and I grew up in the South in the 60s and 70s!!

The racism you have experienced in Hawaii is as a result of living in occupied nation.

The racism you have experienced in Hawaii is as a result of living in occupied nation.

and so are the ICBM silos...

and so are the ICBM silos...

that's why we have no more pineapple industry...stay under the fields

The racism you have experienced in Hawaii is as a result of living in occupied nation.

Not much of an argument!  LOL!

If the Hawaiians are being taught "non-Hawaiians are to be despised" for ANY reason, then that's a great argument AGAINST allowing them autonomy. 

They don't understand that hatred won't die out for generations even after "de-annexation".

It's obvious the racist mentality being instilled in Hawaiians from birth is much deeper than "occupation" would explain.

If you want to be known as the racist nation of Hawaii, then you have a warped sense of morality.  Two wrongs don't make a right.

The racism you have experienced in Hawaii is as a result of living in occupied nation.

no its not.
Hawaiians had slaves as well and a caste system.

The racism you have experienced in Hawaii is as a result of living in occupied nation.

Was this sarcasm?

I’ve lived here most of my life and haven’t experienced racism, or at least anything that I remember or even troubled me. Personally, if you’re respectful of people, I’ve found it easy to get along. Be an asshole, you’re not gonna get along anywhere. Well, maybe China...

Was this sarcasm?

I’ve lived here most of my life and haven’t experienced racism, or at least anything that I remember or even troubled me. Personally, if you’re respectful of people, I’ve found it easy to get along. Be an asshole, you’re not gonna get along anywhere. Well, maybe China...

I've observed many instances of racism while not being overtly treated that way myself.

Most are too timid or polite to talk to people in an openly racist manner, but if you listen to them when sitting and talking story .... the racist mentality is front and center.

I've observed many instances of racism while not being overtly treated that way myself.

Most are too timid or polite to talk to people in an openly racist manner, but if you listen to them when sitting and talking story .... the racist mentality is front and center.

Yeah, I can def see that. I was more referring to I’ve never experienced or seen where say Chinese cannot go into a place owned by Flilpinos. I have def seen deferent cultures/races talking $hit about each other, but mostly give and take. Yeah, I have seen some of that get downright nasty, but not like what I’ve experienced or seen elsewhere in the world, where certain races are treated like dirt.

Yeah, I can def see that. I was more referring to I’ve never experienced or seen where say Chinese cannot go into a place owned by Flilpinos. I have def seen deferent cultures/races talking $hit about each other, but mostly give and take. Yeah, I have seen some of that get downright nasty, but not like what I’ve experienced or seen elsewhere in the world, where certain races are treated like dirt.

I've seen locals working at a Waikiki fast food place standing around talking story and giving me no attention.  I was the only customer in the place.  I had to ask, "Are you open for business?" before anyone asked what I wanted to order.

At the time, being new to Hawaii, I thought it was just bad attitude or crappy minimum wage employees.  Now, it's my opinion the problem was much more .... problematic.

Sometimes the behavior is too subtle to pick up on, mainly because they don't want to get fired I'd imagine. 

It's difficult to assign motives to behaviors, especially when the other person is a complete stranger.  So, I give everyone the benefit of the doubt at least once.  After I get to know them or spot a pattern, that benefit is no longer theirs.

no its not.
Hawaiians had slaves as well and a caste system.

Get your history right.  The kaua and the hierarchal society you speak of existed well before the Kingdom of Hawaii was established and effectively abolished by the time of Kamehameha III.

The racism referenced in Hawaii today had its roots during the heyday of the plantation era, where the pre-cursors of the "Big Five" made sure the various ethnic groups in their service would not unite against them.  Moreover, let us not forget that the Caucasians in government during the Republic and well into the territorial era were all too happy to follow the American Chinese Exclusion Act that prevented Chinese from immigrating to Hawaii.

I think that was very racist for the Caucasians of that time to do.

Not much of an argument!  LOL!

If the Hawaiians are being taught "non-Hawaiians are to be despised" for ANY reason, then that's a great argument AGAINST allowing them autonomy. 

They don't understand that hatred won't die out for generations even after "de-annexation".

It's obvious the racist mentality being instilled in Hawaiians from birth is much deeper than "occupation" would explain.

If you want to be known as the racist nation of Hawaii, then you have a warped sense of morality.  Two wrongs don't make a right.

What makes you think all Hawaiians are taught to be racist when they are born?

Is it because, we Hawaiians and locals for that matter, do not bow down when you speak or readily agree with anything you say?

Get your history right.  The kaua and the hierarchal society you speak of existed well before the Kingdom of Hawaii was established and effectively abolished by the time of Kamehameha III.

The racism referenced in Hawaii today had its roots during the heyday of the plantation era, where the pre-cursors of the "Big Five" made sure the various ethnic groups in their service would not unite against them.  Moreover, let us not forget that the Caucasians in government during the Republic and well into the territorial era were all too happy to follow the American Chinese Exclusion Act that prevented Chinese from immigrating to Hawaii.

I think that was very racist for the Caucasians of that time to do.

thats what I meant. It was part of Hawaiian history. Unless you want to exclude a part of Hawaian history to fit your narrative or romanticized version of it.
Most every race in human history exploited one another just as every race has conquered or assimilated one another.

thats what I meant. It was part of Hawaiian history. Unless you want to exclude a part of Hawaian history to fit your narrative or romanticized version of it.
Most every race in human history exploited one another just as every race has conquered or assimilated one another.

I agree, but I never did try to portray Hawaiians as the greatest people to walk the Earth nor Hawaiian history without its own sins.

What makes you think all Hawaiians are taught to be racist when they are born?

Is it because, we Hawaiians and locals for that matter, do not bow down when you speak or readily agree with anything you say?

Kill Haole Day.

I rest my case.

What makes you think all Hawaiians are taught to be racist when they are born?

Inculcated from an early age, is that better?  Hearing things as they become aware of what is being said.

Who knows how widespread the attitudes, such as you express here, are that children are exposed to.

Kill Haole Day.

I rest my case.

That racist event was one used not only by Hawaiians, but non-Hawaiian locals as well.

Hence, are you saying people born in Hawaii are taught to be racists?

Hawaiians and non-Hawaiian locals alike are dying to hear what you have to say.

This is way off topic from TMT.

But whatever happened to the days we were all good fun “racist”.
Rap’s Hawaii.
Frank Delima.

K.K. Kaumanua
Mr. Frogtree.
Faith Yanagi. Head cheerleader at Furtado Memorial High School..

Abdula Fataai. Ate green banana tree and all.

Mr. San Cho Lee.
No Flips in the pool.
Etc.

Addendum: Being a Haole born and raised in Hawaii, Intermediate school sucked though. Elementary and High School were great.  All public.

Addendum 2: said it before and I’ll say it again. Sovereignty in Hawaii is a pipe dream. Let ‘em build TMT. Then if if the Hawaiians get Sovereignty in 2219 they’ll get plenty rental income. Or at least they can check out the stars their ancestors did, only way more close up.

This is way off topic from TMT.

But whatever happened to the days we were all good fun “racist”.
Rap’s Hawaii.
Frank Delima.

K.K. Kaumanua
Mr. Frogtree.
Faith Yanagi. Head cheerleader at Furtado Memorial High School..

Abdula Fataai. Ate green banana tree and all.

Mr. San Cho Lee.
No Flips in the pool.
Etc.

Addendum: Being a Haole born and raised in Hawaii, Intermediate school sucked though. Elementary and High School were great.

Those glory days of local Hawaii are long since gone.  With an every increasing exodus of Hawaiians and locals alike to cheaper places to live and being replaced with new waves of immigrants and haoles all who typically refuse to assimilate and make fun of the culture and language (i.e., Pidgin) you, I, and others on this forum were raised; the current state of affairs among the races and ethnicities living in Hawaii today are unfortunately now what they are.

Very sad.

That racist event was one used not only by Hawaiians, but non-Hawaiian locals as well.

Hence, are you saying people born in Hawaii are taught to be racists?

Hawaiians and non-Hawaiian locals alike are dying to hear what you have to say.

Never said Hawaiians had an exclusive claim to being racists.

Addendum 2: said it before and I’ll say it again. Sovereignty in Hawaii is a pipe dream. Let ‘em build TMT. Then if if the Hawaiians get Sovereignty in 2219 they’ll get plenty rental income. Or at least they can check out the stars their ancestors did, only way more close up.

Take a good look at how many Hawaiian national flags are being flown on vehicles, houses, and office windows these days; there are many here and on the continental US.  Moreover, those who are flying the colors brightly are not kapunas, but the youth and younger adults who know the truth and, along with us older folk, working to restore our nation on all fronts.