Most “budget” optics are made in China, hence the backorders.

Yabbut, a lot of us cannot afford optics that cost 3X as much as the rifle.

Nightforce and US Optics would be great to play with, but I am stuck way below that level.  Do not have Uncle Sugar paying the bills.

Thanks for the referrals on the magnifiers....saw those and watching for a memorial day sale..
Yep, good choice stangzilla. Only thing I didn't like was the weight but can live with that considering the clear glass and price

Std GI issued sights work well if you cant afford good glass.
Learn to shoot irons well first.

Zeroing irons starting at 50 yards is almost an art.
(For some of you guys it’s not even a second thought. Not me though)
Hence my 2-7 proclivity.
I had a neighbor who was an instructor and could do it but he moved.
Bore sighting is one thing but If anyone can zero my carry handle, I’ll gladly provide 20 rounds.
It’ll take me all day to zero that thing.

I would love to shoot with zero’d irons and see what I can do without Rocky behind me. 
Shoot Irons with my pellet gun at 10 to 20 yards all the time.

Zeroing irons starting at 50 yards is almost an art.
(For some of you guys it’s not even a second thought. Not me though)
Hence my 2-7 proclivity.
I had a neighbor who was an instructor and could do it but he moved.
Bore sighting is one thing but If anyone can zero my carry handle, I’ll gladly provide 20 rounds.
It’ll take me all day to zero that thing.

I would love to shoot with zero’d irons and see what I can do without Rocky behind me. 
Shoot Irons with my pellet gun at 10 to 20 yards all the time.

When i tried to zero when i 1st started, the flip RO offered to help. I was hitting the dirt and didnt know it.

Main thing is u need a good scope or binoculars so u can see where ur rounds are hitting.

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I got the Swampfox arrowhead 1-10x24 yesterday.  obviously I cant test it out yet bc kokohead is closed, or maybe i'll go indoor but that's real close to test it out for what it can do
but I did look thru it a bit yesterday while the sun was still out.  edge to edge clarity is very good.  I looked at objects across the street to over 1 mile out, overall clarity is very good too.  turrets have a good distinct / audible clicks, zero stop, locking.  reticle is very bright and illumination in green gets very bright too.
I think for the money, it looks good so far. i'll have to see how it does over time. i'm not even sure which AR i'm going to put in on yet.    I might switch some optics around, do some upgrades
just by looking at the glass alone, its better than my PA 1-6 sfp, but PA is a cheaper optic.  better overall clarity than my Vortex diamondback tactical 6-24x50 but that's not LPVO so idk if that's a fair comparison, but pricewise about the same. I don't have anything like a NF or Leupold to compare it to, but i'm sure its not in that category.  but something in the 500 or less category it might be something to consider. but i'll have to see how it performs over time
hope the range opens soon 

I got the Swampfox arrowhead 1-10x24 yesterday.  obviously I cant test it out yet bc kokohead is closed, or maybe i'll go indoor but that's real close to test it out for what it can do
but I did look thru it a bit yesterday while the sun was still out.  edge to edge clarity is very good.  I looked at objects across the street to over 1 mile out, overall clarity is very good too.  turrets have a good distinct / audible clicks, zero stop, locking.  reticle is very bright and illumination in green gets very bright too.
I think for the money, it looks good so far. i'll have to see how it does over time. i'm not even sure which AR i'm going to put in on yet.    I might switch some optics around, do some upgrades
just by looking at the glass alone, its better than my PA 1-6 sfp, but PA is a cheaper optic.  better overall clarity than my Vortex diamondback tactical 6-24x50 but that's not LPVO so idk if that's a fair comparison, but pricewise about the same. I don't have anything like a NF or Leupold to compare it to, but i'm sure its not in that category.  but something in the 500 or less category it might be something to consider. but i'll have to see how it performs over time
hope the range opens soon 

Hope it works out brotha. I think as long as your expectations are realistic. You will never be let down. And at the end of the day thats all that matters. I drive a 1996 camera and would rather drive rhat because it does the job then to upgrade because other stuff have "better features". It gets me from a to b reliably. At rhe same time i dont expect to be weaving in traffic or to be havin the best speaker system or fancy LED lights. Same wirh your optic, unless its an optic you are depending your life on, just do your best to buy what you can for now and upgrade as the years go on, also keep an eye out for second hand stuff. And modt guys i know are more than welcoming to let people peek behind their stuff at kokohead, so you can always see for yourseld if its worth rhe extra cash. Lastly, i do not recommend someone using irons as their primary sight. Affordable red dots and lpvo are just so much more useful in todays age. But yes its great to know how to use it. But dont limit yourself to it.

Just purchased the UPDATED Vortex Strike Eagle 1-8x24 with the AR BDC3 MOA reticle. Took it to X-Ring Security to zero and I'm pleased with the results.

I got the Swampfox arrowhead 1-10x24 yesterday.  obviously I cant test it out yet bc kokohead is closed, or maybe i'll go indoor but that's real close to test it out for what it can do
but I did look thru it a bit yesterday while the sun was still out.  edge to edge clarity is very good.  I looked at objects across the street to over 1 mile out, overall clarity is very good too.  turrets have a good distinct / audible clicks, zero stop, locking.  reticle is very bright and illumination in green gets very bright too.
I think for the money, it looks good so far. i'll have to see how it does over time. i'm not even sure which AR i'm going to put in on yet.    I might switch some optics around, do some upgrades
just by looking at the glass alone, its better than my PA 1-6 sfp, but PA is a cheaper optic.  better overall clarity than my Vortex diamondback tactical 6-24x50 but that's not LPVO so idk if that's a fair comparison, but pricewise about the same. I don't have anything like a NF or Leupold to compare it to, but i'm sure its not in that category.  but something in the 500 or less category it might be something to consider. but i'll have to see how it performs over time
hope the range opens soon 

Very interested to hear your further thoughts on that optic.  Almost pulled the trigger on that optic and researched it heavily.  Heard it’s pretty much best in class.

I talked my wife into letting me get my “last” rifle and ended up springing for a razor, but wouldn’t mind looking into that in the future for my wife’s gun.

Very interested to hear your further thoughts on that optic.  Almost pulled the trigger on that optic and researched it heavily.  Heard it’s pretty much best in class.

I talked my wife into letting me get my “last” rifle and ended up springing for a razor, but wouldn’t mind looking into that in the future for my wife’s gun.

I probably will shoot it next week.  I got 1 more optic I have to sight in tomorrow, then i'll do the Swampfox!!!
1 hour to shoot isn't enough
but i'm anxious to shoot it.  I still haven't mounted it yet, so probably next week

i got the Swampfox Arrowhead 1-10 mounted and shot it for about 1/2 hour bc the other 1/2 hour I wanted to sight in the Holosun  sight on the other rifle. actually the shooting times are more like 23 minutes
I want to dial it in a little better bc this is with black box Federal 223 55 grain cheapo ammo. I would like to see what other ammo can do. but with limited time at kokohead only can do so much
first impressions shooting with this optic is I really like it.  the picture is clear edge to edge, the reticle is sharp and bright if you use the illumination or if you don't it still is sharp reticle. I like that the reticle is fairly big in 1x mode, I don't mind the SFP on this optic.  the turrets are firm clicks, not mushy.  I like the locking turrets, zero reset.  I would say its much better than my Primary Arms 1-6 SFP, although the PA is cheaper.  but i'd rather pay a little more for this.  some people claim its better than Vortex strike eagle and even Viper PST which is more expensive. but I don't have those optics to compare.
overall, I think you get a lot of bang for the buck with this optic.  although I only shot it 1 time.   
we'll have to see how it holds up over time



this is four 2 shot groups at 50 yds dialing in the LPVO. reticle needs to be zero'd at 50 to use the BDC markings.
I wish I had more time to confirm shots but with the time limit, just gotta do fast kine for now.   
first shots were left, then overcompensated and went right, then dialed it in a little closer.  i'll have to get it better next time   

Nice stang.

With limited time, bonus if you have a sled type of shooting rest.

Dunno if your allowed to bring a partner to your bench. Didnt look up the new rules stuff.

Nice stang.

With limited time, bonus if you have a sled type of shooting rest.

Dunno if your allowed to bring a partner to your bench. Didnt look up the new rules stuff.

Yes, you are allowed to bring guests that are from your same household, but idk if that is strictly enforced.
I dont have a sled rest, I use a bipod and rear sandbag rest

i got the Swampfox Arrowhead 1-10 mounted and shot it for about 1/2 hour bc the other 1/2 hour I wanted to sight in the Holosun  sight on the other rifle. actually the shooting times are more like 23 minutes
I want to dial it in a little better bc this is with black box Federal 223 55 grain cheapo ammo. I would like to see what other ammo can do. but with limited time at kokohead only can do so much
first impressions shooting with this optic is I really like it.  the picture is clear edge to edge, the reticle is sharp and bright if you use the illumination or if you don't it still is sharp reticle. I like that the reticle is fairly big in 1x mode, I don't mind the SFP on this optic.  the turrets are firm clicks, not mushy.  I like the locking turrets, zero reset.  I would say its much better than my Primary Arms 1-6 SFP, although the PA is cheaper.  but i'd rather pay a little more for this.  some people claim its better than Vortex strike eagle and even Viper PST which is more expensive. but I don't have those optics to compare.
overall, I think you get a lot of bang for the buck with this optic.  although I only shot it 1 time.   
we'll have to see how it holds up over time



this is four 2 shot groups at 50 yds dialing in the LPVO. reticle needs to be zero'd at 50 to use the BDC markings.
I wish I had more time to confirm shots but with the time limit, just gotta do fast kine for now.   
first shots were left, then overcompensated and went right, then dialed it in a little closer.  i'll have to get it better next time   

Awesome!  For a range session with zero, I'd like more than 1 hour.  I guess maybe can adapt and set out more targets or put up more targets on a single frame.  I do like to take my time and zero and confirm.  Then reset targets in the next relay.  I have some FGMM that I want to test with my LPVO.  I think one hour with about 20 min relays will be ok for that.  Maybe will try to get out there end of the month. 

haven't heard much about Geissele optics but if they are good as their triggers and rails
https://geissele.com/optics/super-precision-optics.html

looks like they are made by March Optics in Japan

here's another great optic the Vortex PST 1-4. I can vouch for repeatable clicks.
it's on sale now https://www.eurooptic.com/vortex-viper-pst-1-4x24-rifle-scope-tmcq-mrad-pst-14st-m.aspx?avad=234121_e1b410825&utm_source=184213&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=avantlink

With limited time, bonus if you have a sled type of shooting rest.

Yeah, better have a very solid rest, 

Tried that method once without a super secure rifle, and was all over the place until I went back to measuring the error and dialing it in.

Best to have a shitty optic and shoot it well, than an eotech or acog and cant hit jack.

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Best to have a shitty optic and shoot it well, than an eotech or acog and cant hit jack.

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but if you have a shitty optic that cant hold zero or has dead clicks - you can't shoot well

but if you have a shitty optic that cant hold zero or has dead clicks - you can't shoot well

What if you do?  Adapt to RDS coming lose and moving or falling off.