Sure you want to be a cop? (Read 39396 times)

macsak

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #80 on: August 28, 2020, 07:45:19 PM »
That is not the issue.

The issue Is whether shooting a suspect, in the back, is the correct course of action, if the goal was to apprehend the suspect?

if blake complied, he would have been apprehended and not shot...

drck1000

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #81 on: August 28, 2020, 07:46:33 PM »
even after having a beer, your boss is an asshole
he's just easier to take after I've had a beer or two...
He’s moved on to whiskey

aieahound

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #82 on: August 28, 2020, 08:10:49 PM »
if blake complied, he would have been apprehended and not shot...

Three cops.
Time to react to the situation.
They couldn’t apprehend him without shooting him (7 times) in the back while grabbing his shirt as he entered the vehicle which he had to walk a ways to with cops with guns drawn following him?
Why not use the grab the shirt technique 8 steps ago?
Or the minute the taser didn’t work?

Why not use the tackle and beat the shit out him technique HPD would have used if you don’t comply.
Do not run from HPD.
I don’t know about now, but back In the day, they wouldn’t shoot you, but if you ran, when they caught you.....

if blake complied, he would have been apprehended and not shot...

Still I agree. Stupid games stupid prizes.
If he complied he would not have been shot.
Seems to be a common theme in a lot of these.
Philando Castile is one of the most bothering for me personally.


« Last Edit: August 28, 2020, 08:16:09 PM by aieahound »

hvybarrels

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #83 on: August 28, 2020, 08:11:38 PM »
Philando Castile is one of the most bothering for me personally.

Also the one we hear the least about for some reason
“A Communist system can be recognized by the fact that it spares the criminals and criminalizes the political opponent.”   -Alexander Solzhenitsyn

macsak

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #84 on: August 28, 2020, 08:29:10 PM »
He’s moved on to whiskey

if he passes out, put his hand in a bowl of warm water...

macsak

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #85 on: August 28, 2020, 09:48:39 PM »
Matthews said officers made multiple requests to Blake to drop the knife, but he was uncooperative. He said officers used a Taser on Blake, but it did not incapacitate him.
“Blake forcefully fought with the officers, including putting one of the officers in a headlock,” Matthews said. A second stun from a Taser also did not stop him, he said.
As Blake opened the driver’s door of the SUV, Sheskey pulled on Blake’s shirt and then opened fire. Blake’s three children were in the backseat.
“Based on the inability to gain compliance and control after using verbal, physical and less-lethal means, the officers drew their firearms,” Matthews said. “Mr. Blake continued to ignore the officers’ commands, even with the threat of lethal force now present.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/kenosha-police-union-gives-its-version-of-blake-shooting/ar-BB18tWPM?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds

looks like they followed procedures and training...

"but what else is the evil police union going to say to defend all the bad officers"
in 5, 4, 3,...

Kuleana

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #86 on: August 28, 2020, 10:04:46 PM »
Matthews said officers made multiple requests to Blake to drop the knife, but he was uncooperative. He said officers used a Taser on Blake, but it did not incapacitate him.
“Blake forcefully fought with the officers, including putting one of the officers in a headlock,” Matthews said. A second stun from a Taser also did not stop him, he said.
As Blake opened the driver’s door of the SUV, Sheskey pulled on Blake’s shirt and then opened fire. Blake’s three children were in the backseat.
“Based on the inability to gain compliance and control after using verbal, physical and less-lethal means, the officers drew their firearms,” Matthews said. “Mr. Blake continued to ignore the officers’ commands, even with the threat of lethal force now present.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/kenosha-police-union-gives-its-version-of-blake-shooting/ar-BB18tWPM?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds

looks like they followed procedures and training...

"but what else is the evil police union going to say to defend all the bad officers"
in 5, 4, 3,...
I might of missed something.

Can you show me, where did the police union say shooting suspects, to gain compliance, is part of their procedure?

hvybarrels

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #87 on: August 28, 2020, 11:40:05 PM »
I might of missed something.

Can you show me, where did the police union say shooting suspects, to gain compliance, is part of their procedure?

I’d say you missed a lot

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_force_continuum
“A Communist system can be recognized by the fact that it spares the criminals and criminalizes the political opponent.”   -Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Kuleana

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #88 on: August 29, 2020, 07:41:53 AM »
I’d say you missed a lot

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_force_continuum

I did not know that the Kenosha Police Union bases their policies on Wikipedia articles.  I look forward to hearing them cite that Wikipedia article, during the eventual legal proceedings.

Thanks.   :thumbsup:

macsak

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #89 on: August 29, 2020, 07:54:58 AM »
I might of missed something.

Can you show me, where did the police union say shooting suspects, to gain compliance, is part of their procedure?

they didn't, because it's not...

Kuleana

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #90 on: August 29, 2020, 08:12:31 AM »
they didn't, because it's not...

Thanks for the clarification.

macsak

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #91 on: August 29, 2020, 09:06:58 AM »
Thanks for the clarification.

I shouldn't have to clarify...

hvybarrels

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #92 on: August 29, 2020, 10:36:01 AM »
I shouldn't have to clarify...
“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

― Mark Twain
“A Communist system can be recognized by the fact that it spares the criminals and criminalizes the political opponent.”   -Alexander Solzhenitsyn

drck1000

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #93 on: August 29, 2020, 02:14:52 PM »
they didn't, because it's not...
Sheldon. . .

drck1000

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #94 on: August 29, 2020, 02:15:41 PM »
if he passes out, put his hand in a bowl of warm water...
I dunno.  My boss is kind of an asshole.

ren

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #95 on: August 29, 2020, 03:20:27 PM »
“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

― Mark Twain

back in 1898...
Deeds Not Words

robtmc

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #96 on: August 29, 2020, 07:58:18 PM »
I dunno.  My boss is kind of an asshole.
yeah, loose bowels would really be a kicker...................

RSN172

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #97 on: August 29, 2020, 08:09:16 PM »
Happily living in Puna

hvybarrels

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #98 on: August 29, 2020, 08:44:11 PM »
Liberal Revised Use of Force Continuum


“A Communist system can be recognized by the fact that it spares the criminals and criminalizes the political opponent.”   -Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Brystont1

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #99 on: August 29, 2020, 08:57:25 PM »
Liberal Revised Use of Force Continuum



“Officer did a great job in that video, do you see what happens when an officer doesn’t “shoot first and ask questions later”? What if the gun wasn’t loaded? Did the suspect intend to shoot the officer just because he pointed it at him?”                   
     
   —You know who, probably