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Who is everyone voting for this year

Trump
90%
Biden
6.7%
None
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Who is everyone voting for this year (president) (Read 47785 times)

macsak

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #140 on: October 08, 2020, 04:20:20 PM »
Unless he's against whatever it is, like ACB and the Supreme Court nomination.  No evidence she'll be an activist is evidence she's not fit.

but omni feels she will be bad...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #141 on: October 08, 2020, 05:33:31 PM »
People who want a President Biden-Harris administration seem to think Joe has improved with age.

The facts say otherwise.  After half a century in politics, at age 77, Biden had PLENTY of room for improvement.  It never materialized.

Has Joe Biden ever been right on a foreign policy issue?

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About five years ago, former Defense Secretary Robert Gates reached what was then considered a startling conclusion:
Joe Biden, who was at that point the vice president, had been wrong about “nearly every major foreign policy and national
security issue over the past four decades.”

On Afghanistan, Iraq, the killing of Osama bin Laden, and more, Biden’s influence proved disastrous, Gates alleged in his
tell-all, Duty. This was unsettling, in part because former President Barack Obama had selected Biden as his running mate
partially because the longtime senator had what he lacked: foreign policy experience. To then hear from your defense
secretary, who had stepped down from the Obama administration in 2011, that Biden’s role in the White House helped create
a “category five shitstorm”
? That surely struck a nerve.

Gates’s summation, however, has aged well. Biden’s foreign policy resume is full of errors that date back decades. In the
1980s, for instance, he opposed Ronald Reagan's military buildup and Strategic Defense Initiative that helped bring about
the collapse of the Soviet Union and with it, the end of the Cold War. He has continued to blunder his way through
international relations since Obama left office and President Trump stepped in.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/has-joe-biden-ever-been-right-on-a-foreign-policy-issue

But, HEY!  It's all good, Man!  As long as he hides in the White House basement for four years, he'll be better than Trump and his dangerous efforts at bringing peace to the Middle East.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #142 on: October 08, 2020, 05:39:49 PM »
People who want a President Biden-Harris administration seem to think Joe has improved with age.

The facts say otherwise.  After half a century in politics, at age 77, Biden had PLENTY of room for improvement.  It never materialized.

Has Joe Biden ever been right on a foreign policy issue?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/has-joe-biden-ever-been-right-on-a-foreign-policy-issue

But, HEY!  It's all good, Man!  As long as he hides in the White House basement for four years, he'll be better than Trump and his dangerous efforts at bringing peace to the Middle East.

C'Mon Man! I want free healthcare! I want free college! I want...ummm.....you know ....the thing!
Deeds Not Words

eyeeatingfish

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #143 on: October 08, 2020, 10:02:47 PM »
You left out the 3rd party option. I will be voting 3rd party, most likely libertarian

eyeeatingfish

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #144 on: October 08, 2020, 10:07:37 PM »
Climate change :facepalm:  The issue, oh supremely enlightened one isn't dispute that climate is changing.  It is ALWAYS changing.  The issue is what is the cause and what regulations, cost to Americans, etc are warranted.  Again, if you're going to argue a point, make sure you actually know what you're talking about.  Going off half cocked only makes you look more and more ignorant. 

COVID?  Ok, riddle me this.  Had the media not blitzed things into "Global Pandemic", would your irrational fears have changed?  To clarify, I'm not saying that COVID isn't serious, but explain to me exactly how you think Trump failed?  If you're going to compare responses of other countries, please cite specific examples, and don't be like "well, North Korea did this".  Would you rather have had Trump shut down WA, CA, and NY and closed off the states at the height of things there? 


It wasn't long ago that the climate change skeptics didn't even believe the climate was getting warmer. I have noticed the trend of the "skeptics" to continuously have to give up ground, to change their arguments time and time again. First it was "the earth isn't warming" then it was "the earth is warming but it is natural" then it was "OK, humans are changing the climate but only a little". I used to be one of the climate skeptics but I ended up seeing how flawed their arguments were.


Trump failed at covid because he got in the way of his medical expert and contradicted him multiple times. He failed because didn't wear a mask, didn't encourage others to wear masks, and undermined containment efforts.

In the beginning he started off well when he was looking to close borders and restrict entry but then he screwed it up. All he literally had to do was hand the job to Dr. Fauci and take credit for it afterwards but instead he got in his own way, hurting what was an opportunity at looking great right as an election was coming up.
« Last Edit: October 08, 2020, 10:16:20 PM by eyeeatingfish »

drck1000

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #145 on: October 08, 2020, 10:17:55 PM »
Trump failed at covid because he got in the way of his medical expert and contradicted him multiple times. He failed because didn't wear a mask, didn't encourage others to wear masks, and undermined containment efforts.

In the beginning he started off well when he was looking to close borders and restrict entry but then he screwed it up. All he literally had to do was hand the job to Dr. Fauci and take credit for it afterwards but instead he got in his own way, hurting what was an opportunity at looking great right as an election was coming up.
No real argument from me. Except Fauci is like Green, advocating for thee but not for me (him).

That said, the post you quoted was in a different context of the convo, which was to elicit a rational response.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #146 on: October 08, 2020, 10:18:08 PM »
Biden doesn't have to actively help his son for there to be a conflict of interest.

Biden, by virtue of his office, is subject to the same potential blackmail and coercion from foreign countries the Leftists are saying Trump is by virtue of whatever they think "someone has on him."  They say that all the time, including Pelosi.

If Hunter is in bed with known criminal organizations in foreign countries, possibly helping them launder money and gain access to the administration through his father's position, how does that not become a concern for Hunter's father?

Why do we apply such scrutiny to conflicts of interest when it is Biden but toss those cares aside when it is Trump?

eyeeatingfish

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #147 on: October 08, 2020, 10:20:39 PM »
No real argument from me. Except Fauci is like Green, advocating for thee but not for me (him).

That said, the post you quoted was in a different context of the convo, which was to elicit a rational response.

I believe there was a few instances where Fauci was seen not wearing a mask but for the most part he seemed to follow the advice he was given, at least as far as I saw.

I did edit my response to you but it looks like you typed this one before I edited mine.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #148 on: October 08, 2020, 10:26:47 PM »
You're ridiculous.

I said, name ONE THING he's accomplished in 47 years.

You deflected and obfuscated.

Answer the fucking question.

Apparently you believe we have no problems in the US a President in the next 4 years needs to address.

You're  so  special.     :crazy:

I didn't make this list but here you go
https://www.miamidadedems.org/joe-biden-accomplishments-list

And no, I am not a Biden supporter, but the claim that someone is in congress for 47 years and accomplishes nothing is just silly.

I will say that in politics credit for accomplishments is over-rated. There are 100 senators that can vote on a bill that gets passed, do they all get to claim the passage as an accomplishment? Similarly a huge chunk of Trump's accomplishments are really things he didn't do, he just presided over when they got done. And on the flip side the same is true for failures, a politicans bill might not pass because of opposition yet someone will claim it is that politician's fault.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #149 on: October 08, 2020, 10:45:09 PM »
You left out the 3rd party option. I will be voting 3rd party, most likely libertarian

That's even more meaningless than voting for a Republican in this state.

Unless you're voting Democrat, your vote for President doesn't count.

That's just a fact.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #150 on: October 08, 2020, 10:55:20 PM »
It wasn't long ago that the climate change skeptics didn't even believe the climate was getting warmer. I have noticed the trend of the "skeptics" to continuously have to give up ground, to change their arguments time and time again. First it was "the earth isn't warming" then it was "the earth is warming but it is natural" then it was "OK, humans are changing the climate but only a little". I used to be one of the climate skeptics but I ended up seeing how flawed their arguments were.


Trump failed at covid because he got in the way of his medical expert and contradicted him multiple times. He failed because didn't wear a mask, didn't encourage others to wear masks, and undermined containment efforts.

In the beginning he started off well when he was looking to close borders and restrict entry but then he screwed it up. All he literally had to do was hand the job to Dr. Fauci and take credit for it afterwards but instead he got in his own way, hurting what was an opportunity at looking great right as an election was coming up.

Why do you always blame Trump?

The WHO in June said HEALTHY PEOPLE DO NOT NEED TO WEAR MASKS.

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Confusion: WHO Disagrees with CDC Recommendations, Says
No Need for Healthy People To Wear Masks

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Of all the issues dividing Americans right now, it seems ridiculous that the question of whether
to wear face masks to prevent the spread of COVID-19 should be one of them.

Unfortunately, it has become yet another flashpoint, with most opinions falling along the usual
political divide — the left expects unquestioned obedience to government dictates on mask
requirements, while the right is suspicious of the virtue signaling and government overreach that
comes with it.

The problem is compounded by the fact that two top health organizations disagree on the efficacy
or even the safety of healthy people wearing masks.

The World Health Organization, exalted by leftists likely because of its opposition to American
interests, has remained consistent in not recommending masks.

https://www.westernjournal.com/confusion-disagrees-cdc-recommendations-says-no-need-healthy-people-wear-masks/


And, if you go back to March ...

Facemasks Won’t Protect From Coronavirus, Says CDC And WHO

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With the amount of recorded cases of COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, on the incline, the
Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) says that facemasks are not effective in preventing the virus.

According to the CDC, symptoms of the coronavirus disease include coughing, shortness of breath, and fever. One of
the most common methods of prevention that health-savvy people have chosen is to stock up on medical facemasks.
...
As Americans and people all over the world stock up on these face masks, the CDC has issued a warning on their website:

“CDC does not recommend that people who are well wear a facemask to protect themselves
from respiratory diseases, including COVID-19. Facemasks should be used by people who
show symptoms of COVID-19 to help prevent the spread of the disease to  others. The use
of facemasks is also crucial for health workers and people who are taking care of someone
in close settings (at home or in a health care facility).”

https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/03/facemasks-coronavirus-says-cdc-who/

If you want to blame Trump, you will regardless of the FACTS.

I guess you have the memory of a goldfish, since anyone paying attention remembers the conflicting information being provided about masks:  don't buy them -- don't wear them -- don't wear M95 -- make your own and wear them everywhere when you go out -- they don't prevent the wearer from catching the virus -- they do prevent the virus if sick people wear them -- and on and on.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #151 on: October 08, 2020, 10:58:32 PM »
I didn't make this list but here you go
https://www.miamidadedems.org/joe-biden-accomplishments-list

And no, I am not a Biden supporter, but the claim that someone is in congress for 47 years and accomplishes nothing is just silly.

I will say that in politics credit for accomplishments is over-rated. There are 100 senators that can vote on a bill that gets passed, do they all get to claim the passage as an accomplishment? Similarly a huge chunk of Trump's accomplishments are really things he didn't do, he just presided over when they got done. And on the flip side the same is true for failures, a politicans bill might not pass because of opposition yet someone will claim it is that politician's fault.

Some list!  It lists things he was given responsibility for.  Nothing about positive results.

The Recovery Act caused the slowest recovery from a recession since the Great Depression, in part because they also raised taxes.

It's useless trying to explain these things.  Either you believe what you read, or you deal in reality.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #152 on: October 08, 2020, 11:02:07 PM »
It wasn't long ago that the climate change skeptics didn't even believe the climate was getting warmer. I have noticed the trend of the "skeptics" to continuously have to give up ground, to change their arguments time and time again. First it was "the earth isn't warming" then it was "the earth is warming but it is natural" then it was "OK, humans are changing the climate but only a little".

long ago was "new ice age!" then "global warming" now "climate change"...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #153 on: October 08, 2020, 11:04:45 PM »
long ago was "new ice age!" then "global warming" now "climate change"...

"Not long ago" in EEF-ism means "when I was in high school."

Nothing of significance happened before he was "woke", and definitely not before he was born.  Timers were reset to 00-00-00/00:00:00 on the day of his birth.   :rofl:.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #154 on: October 09, 2020, 07:16:42 AM »
long ago was "new ice age!" then "global warming" now "climate change"...

Oh nooooo science sees change, tries to predict and model it....keeps at it, figures out what models are correct and incorrect and changes.  How unheard.... oh wait that's exactly how its supposed to work.  Now with many years we have alot more data and better predictions.  But no just cause they were wrong in the beginning must be wrong forever.  Bet cause you missed one math problem in the 3rd grade mac you never believed in math again. 

ren

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #155 on: October 09, 2020, 07:18:26 AM »
It wasn't long ago that the climate change skeptics didn't even believe the climate was getting warmer. I have noticed the trend of the "skeptics" to continuously have to give up ground, to change their arguments time and time again. First it was "the earth isn't warming" then it was "the earth is warming but it is natural" then it was "OK, humans are changing the climate but only a little". I used to be one of the climate skeptics but I ended up seeing how flawed their arguments were.


Trump failed at covid because he got in the way of his medical expert and contradicted him multiple times. He failed because didn't wear a mask, didn't encourage others to wear masks, and undermined containment efforts.

In the beginning he started off well when he was looking to close borders and restrict entry but then he screwed it up. All he literally had to do was hand the job to Dr. Fauci and take credit for it afterwards but instead he got in his own way, hurting what was an opportunity at looking great right as an election was coming up.

the research into mask usage is not all there for or against mask usage. We are all caught up into the "we need to do something".
Same thing with "climate change"
and that list of "accomplishments" is not biased at all :rofl:
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omnigun

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #156 on: October 09, 2020, 07:18:45 AM »
"Not long ago" in EEF-ism means "when I was in high school."

Nothing of significance happened before he was "woke", and definitely not before he was born.  Timers were reset to 00-00-00/00:00:00 on the day of his birth.   :rofl:.

While i don't agree with EEF always at least he isn't a parroting trumper and has more open mind and less hypocrisy. 

omnigun

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #157 on: October 09, 2020, 07:19:39 AM »
the research into mask usage is not all there for or against mask usage. We are all caught up into the "we need to do something".
Same thing with "climate change"

Problem is that when they did figure out to THIS DAY trump makes fun of masks.  We could have been wearing them for months if he just believed in science.

ren

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #158 on: October 09, 2020, 07:20:30 AM »
Problem is that when they did figure out to THIS DAY trump makes fun of masks.  We could have been wearing them for months if he just believed in science.

so where is the peer reviewed methodology that proves mask usage works?
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ren

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #159 on: October 09, 2020, 07:22:45 AM »
While i don't agree with EEF always at least he isn't a parroting trumper and has more open mind and less hypocrisy.

like I said you come into this pro 2a forum and tell us about an anti2A candidate isn't going to garnish any appreciation from the majority of us. You walk into a Catholic church as a Muslim trying to get us to convert to Islam? Not smart.



so let us as people who are pro 2A "open our minds" to a candidate who actively preaches that he will take away our guns.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2020, 07:28:14 AM by ren »
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