Valid points.  Though I doubt a single officer could go against the upper brass and not get fucked over. 

Yeah Brystont, I knew about that.  Didn't end up voting for Biden.  I am just trying to open up the gun community to more people and opinions.  We going to lose the war of culture at this rate.  The younger people think a little different and have different opinions on things like abortion and climate change.  To alienate that voting group is dooming us.

I get what your plan is, but the big problem is 3rd part doesn't get near enough votes to do anything.  I'm  all for Jo cause she wants to disband the alpha boiz.  So until the numbers for a 3rd part gets way higher, you're wasting your vote.  And that's why I didn't vote for Jo either.  Plus I got a Trump flag, and it would be pretty silly to have 1 and not vote for him.

In 2016, Clinton got 62%, Trump 30% and all 3rd parties combined 8% for HI's election.

I get what your plan is, but the big problem is 3rd part doesn't get near enough votes to do anything.  I'm  all for Jo cause she wants to disband the alpha boiz.  So until the numbers for a 3rd part gets way higher, you're wasting your vote.  And that's why I didn't vote for Jo either.  Plus I got a Trump flag, and it would be pretty silly to have 1 and not vote for him.

In 2016, Clinton got 62%, Trump 30% and all 3rd parties combined 8% for HI's election.

And yet, Bernie Sanders still received one HI electoral vote.  The HI electoral votes would have been evenly split (2 - Clinton, 2 - Sanders) had one low-information "elector" known she could vote for someone other than the winner of the state's election.

Same party, yes.  But this provably demonstrates that not all electors always follow the election results.  Plus, Bernie was actually a member of the Independent Party (I), but he ran for the Democrat nomination in order to have any chance of winning.

Let’s be clear here. YOU BELIEVE that that groups had different opinions on abortion and climate change. Where’s your proof? Yes, I know many in the “younger than me” to as young as 14-16 that don’t think the way you do. You’re so fast to discount opposing views as “group think”, but you’re “obviously” backed up by the masses of “younger people”.

I mean you’re free to think whatever you want to think. Just don’t expect those with common sense and life experiences to just simply take your word for it based on your opinions and feelings.

Here was my though b4 I was married since I'm younger than all you old guys.  I've had my share of preggers scares, so abortion was the only option.  All the chicks I had these types of scares with were fine with it.  Even had a bunch say, let's wait until the 1st trimester is over so you can shoot inside until then.  Called abortion clinic and was told can have up till 1st trimester.  Luckily, they all got the late rag, so it was just scares.

So until my early 20's that was the only reason why I was pro abortion.  I didn't think of all the other reasons for it like rape, death of the mother, deformed child, etc...

Now that I'm married and older, it's more complicated because of the above reasons.  So I look at it like the 2a right.  If you don't believe in abortion, don't get 1.  But by making it illegal, you remove the option for someone who wants one (rape victim).  Same like guns.  All these anti 2a people telling us not to buy and make them illegal.  If you don't like guns, don't buy 1.  But don't tell me what to do.

I do think that a man should have some say.  Like if the woman wants to keep the child and the guy doesn't, then he is immune from any child support in the future.

Here was my though b4 I was married since I'm younger than all you old guys.  I've had my share of preggers scares, so abortion was the only option.  All the chicks I had these types of scares with were fine with it.  Even had a bunch say, let's wait until the 1st trimester is over so you can shoot inside until then.  Called abortion clinic and was told can have up till 1st trimester.  Luckily, they all got the late rag, so it was just scares.

So until my early 20's that was the only reason why I was pro abortion.  I didn't think of all the other reasons for it like rape, death of the mother, deformed child, etc...

Now that I'm married and older, it's more complicated because of the above reasons.  So I look at it like the 2a right.  If you don't believe in abortion, don't get 1.  But by making it illegal, you remove the option for someone who wants one (rape victim).  Same like guns.  All these anti 2a people telling us not to buy and make them illegal.  If you don't like guns, don't buy 1.  But don't tell me what to do.

I do think that a man should have some say.  Like if the woman wants to keep the child and the guy doesn't, then he is immune from any child support in the future.

Whoa, easy there youngster. I’m older than you, true, but not quite “you old guys” status. Haha

Here was my though b4 I was married since I'm younger than all you old guys.  I've had my share of preggers scares, so abortion was the only option.  All the chicks I had these types of scares with were fine with it.  Even had a bunch say, let's wait until the 1st trimester is over so you can shoot inside until then.  Called abortion clinic and was told can have up till 1st trimester.  Luckily, they all got the late rag, so it was just scares.

So until my early 20's that was the only reason why I was pro abortion.  I didn't think of all the other reasons for it like rape, death of the mother, deformed child, etc...

Now that I'm married and older, it's more complicated because of the above reasons.  So I look at it like the 2a right.  If you don't believe in abortion, don't get 1.  But by making it illegal, you remove the option for someone who wants one (rape victim).  Same like guns.  All these anti 2a people telling us not to buy and make them illegal.  If you don't like guns, don't buy 1.  But don't tell me what to do.

I do think that a man should have some say.  Like if the woman wants to keep the child and the guy doesn't, then he is immune from any child support in the future.

I agree, this is what I am trying to get across. 
Government isn't forcing you to get abortions just like it isn't forcing you to own a gun.  Its your choice for either way. 

I agree, this is what I am trying to get across. 
Government isn't forcing you to get abortions just like it isn't forcing you to own a gun.  Its your choice for either way.

DID ANYBODY ON HERE BESIDES YOU EVER ONCE SUGGEST THE GOVERNMENT FORCES ANYONE TO GET ABORTIONS?

EVER?

ANYONE?

 

EEF must have found another forum that confirms his biases.  He just checks in here from time to time, adds his 2 cents on a dozen or so topics, then runs away until next time.

Too bad the long breaks between visits haven't made him any smarter.

Someone has to keep you in check once in a while.

Sorry to disrupt your circle jerk with facts.

Someone has to keep you in check once in a while.

Sorry to disrupt your circle jerk with facts.

Thanks for adding your 2 cents and proving my comment true.

Come back when you can't stay so long .....   

All this hate for EEF.  And HPD.  So much for blue lives matter for you folks.  Are you sure you guys are republicans?

I think EEF is far more reasonable than Flapp and rob.  At least to my opinions on the world.  I don't agree with everything but far more than some of you folks.

When you start attacking people without substance just based on who they are with no evidence and label them as troll or liberal you already lost. You put them in a box to hate not based on any substance but just on feelings.  The exact same thing you all tend to say I do.  Hypocritical much. 
The world shouldn't be just us vs them.  That's why this country is being torn apart and going to the extremes.  Lets all get along, we all love guns.

They value group think and tribe loyalty over objectivity and intellectual integrity. They can't stand a conservative gun rights supporter who points out when other conservative gun rights supporters make incorrect or flawed arguments. It is easier for them to insult me than confront the shortcomings in their arguments and positions. They are just like the left who eat their own when they don't fall in line.

Thanks for adding your 2 cents and proving my comment true.

Come back when you can't stay so long .....   

Contrary to your inflated sense of self worth I do have other things to do in life than living on a forum putting you in your place.

They value group think and tribe loyalty over objectivity and intellectual integrity. They can't stand a conservative gun rights supporter who points out when other conservative gun rights supporters make incorrect or flawed arguments. It is easier for them to insult me than confront the shortcomings in their arguments and positions. They are just like the left who eat their own when they don't fall in line.

LOL!  You value objectivity and facts ... unless you happen to agree with an opinion that makes you feel better about yourself.

 

Contrary to your inflated sense of self worth I do have other things to do in life than living on a forum putting you in your place.

I've yet to be put in my place by you.  That would require you to actually win an argument. 

Hasn't happened yet. 

LOL!  You value objectivity and facts ... unless you happen to agree with an opinion that makes you feel better about yourself.

 

Your rebuttal lacks any substance. You only try to switch the issue to unsubstantiated allegations of "feelings". Typical

For someone who complains about feelings you consistently make more emotional posts.

Your rebuttal lacks any substance. You only try to switch the issue to unsubstantiated allegations of "feelings". Typical

For someone who complains about feelings you consistently make more emotional posts.

You should know, since none of your comments tonight have had any substance.  You're the expert!!   

Your rebuttal lacks any substance. You only try to switch the issue to unsubstantiated allegations of "feelings". Typical

For someone who complains about feelings you consistently make more emotional posts.

You not the only one who thinks this lol

You not the only one who thinks this lol

there's all 3 of you

there's all 3 of you

A mob of what ..... 2?  3? 

I'm so scared!!   

there's all 3 of you

Who's the 3rd

Who's the 3rd

If you have to ask, it shows how short your attention span is.

#focus

If you have to ask, it shows how short your attention span is.

#focus

Didn't want to assume.   Pretty sure you talking about aiea.