Poll

What is your stance on abortion?

Under no circumstances allowed
29.6%
Under rape/incest
25.9%
Under Medical or Genetic issues.
7.4%
Personal choice
33.3%
Forced
3.7%
Total Members Voted
27

Abortion (Read 227150 times)

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #140 on: October 14, 2020, 12:03:14 PM »
So you don't practice "eco friendly practices" but you tell us we all need to believe in this unproven hypothesis. What the mpg of your fuel efficient car?
I don't believe in human caused climate change but I do more than you do but my motives are cost. I eBike to work because its cheaper, I get a workout and I don't sit in traffic (pre Pan Pacific Pandemic). I contact my reps with concerns to what is going on in our community in regards to the environment.  When I do commute I have a hybrid. I have a rain catchment barrel to water my plants and am looking into recycling grey water via automated means (Arduino connected to pumps). again to lower my water bill.
Instead of preaching to a a one issue forum maybe you should do things - because every little thing matters - much like bringing a pot of hot water to a pool in the winter to warm it up.

Ummm I literally listed some of the things I do?  I pay rent so there is only so much i can do housing.  If i owned a house it would be solar. I would also have a rain catchment system.  My next car is a tesla.  I tend to buy organic and certified eco friendly products.  I would buy eco friendly guns but not sure they exist.  I shop in bulk.  Even all the things I do,  the worst polluters are corporations and government.

changemyoil66

Re: Abortion
« Reply #141 on: October 14, 2020, 12:03:20 PM »
I get what you are saying.  I try not to waste, but I know I am part of the problem.  We all need to worth together, even little changes matter.  I'm not saying to go off the deep end.  But we can't just ignore it.  Most of the pollution isn't from people but companies/countries.  If they started to market more green and we can all do the process slowly.

I'm glad you do something, but you really could do more.  Don't count on the rail cause then that's hundreds of gallons of fossil fuels you will be using until it's built.  Flying isn't the only option, and how dare you sacrifice our earth due to ease and speed of air travel. :rofl:

Even if you had a battery car, that battery still cost fuel to mine, make, and distribute.  And so for the rest of that car.  Gotta hoof it, just leave earlier to allocate the extra time it will take.

Amazon is trying to switch to electric vehicles vs. gas based.  They had a commercial on it.  But how toxic are those types of batteries and where does it go once it's passed it's life span?  At least a metal engine, you can melt down.

You should look into who's the biggest polluter and how the US compares on that ranking.  Then you will realize you're barking up the wrong tree. So you will be able to go on more mainland trips and drink more bottled water (made in the USA of course as to not contribute to the overseas big companies).

changemyoil66

Re: Abortion
« Reply #142 on: October 14, 2020, 12:05:13 PM »
So you don't practice "eco friendly practices" but you tell us we all need to believe in this unproven hypothesis. What the mpg of your fuel efficient car?
I don't believe in human caused climate change but I do more than you do but my motives are cost. I eBike to work because its cheaper, I get a workout and I don't sit in traffic (pre Pan Pacific Pandemic). I contact my reps with concerns to what is going on in our community in regards to the environment because the smell of goats and pesticides really stink up the neighborhood.  When I do commute I have a hybrid agian I fill up gas way less. I have a rain catchment barrel to water my plants and am looking into recycling grey water via automated means (Arduino connected to pumps). again to lower my water bill.
Instead of preaching to a a one issue forum maybe you should do things - because every little thing matters - much like bringing a pot of hot water to a pool in the winter to warm it up.

You're official president of the 2a Climate Change Club.  LMK if you need help filling out the forms.  I got good practice when I became the president of the Tin Foil Society.

ren

Re: Abortion
« Reply #143 on: October 14, 2020, 12:06:34 PM »
Ummm I literally listed some of the things I do?  I pay rent so there is only so much i can do housing.  If i owned a house it would be solar. I would also have a rain catchment system.  My next car is a tesla.  I tend to buy organic and certified eco friendly products.  I would buy eco friendly guns but not sure they exist.  I shop in bulk.  Even all the things I do,  the worst polluters are corporations and government.

Which corporations? I have stock so please advise me on what corporations pollute. See where I'm going.
I assume you mean the US govt. Which govt in the world is the cleanest? DO they have equivalent agencies like the US EPA? How about laws and regulations designed to protect the environment from pollution? I can't think of any other govt that does.
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omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #144 on: October 14, 2020, 12:07:19 PM »
I'm glad you do something, but you really could do more.  Don't count on the rail cause then that's hundreds of gallons of fossil fuels you will be using until it's built.  Flying isn't the only option, and how dare you sacrifice our earth due to ease and speed of air travel. :rofl:

Even if you had a battery car, that battery still cost fuel to mine, make, and distribute.  And so for the rest of that car.  Gotta hoof it, just leave earlier to allocate the extra time it will take.

Amazon is trying to switch to electric vehicles vs. gas based.  They had a commercial on it.  But how toxic are those types of batteries and where does it go once it's passed it's life span?  At least a metal engine, you can melt down.

You should look into who's the biggest polluter and how the US compares on that ranking.  Then you will realize you're barking up the wrong tree. So you will be able to go on more mainland trips and drink more bottled water (made in the USA of course as to not contribute to the overseas big companies).

That's why I advocate larger deals that deal with the biggest polluters.  And don't tend to punish the consumers.  No ones perfect I can do more, but I am also not selfless. I just to to help a little, every bit helps.  Change the discussion, the direction of humanity.  Small voices can grow to loud voices.  Every movement starts smart, every change has a beginning.

ren

Re: Abortion
« Reply #145 on: October 14, 2020, 12:09:32 PM »
That's why I advocate larger deals that deal with the biggest polluters.  And don't tend to punish the consumers.  No ones perfect I can do more, but I am also not selfless. I just to to help a little, every bit helps.  Change the discussion, the direction of humanity.  Small voices can grow to loud voices.  Every movement starts smart, every change has a beginning.

Consumers drive demand and looking at vehicles
https://www.businessinsider.com/pickup-trucks-outsell-passenger-cars-april-us-sales-first-time-2020-5
Pickup trucks outsold passenger cars in the US for the first time ever last month as buyers flock toward bigger vehicles

US consumers aren't too concerned about "climate change" when it comes to vehicles.
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omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #146 on: October 14, 2020, 12:09:51 PM »
Which corporations? I have stock so please advise me on what corporations pollute. See where I'm going.
I assume you mean the US govt. Which govt in the world is the cleanest? DO they have equivalent agencies like the US EPA? How about laws and regulations designed to protect the environment from pollution? I can't think of any other govt that does.

The EPA is a great agency.  America leads the world in many aspects this is one of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_environmental_organizations#Governmental_agencies

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #147 on: October 14, 2020, 12:11:32 PM »
Consumers drive demand and looking at vehicles
https://www.businessinsider.com/pickup-trucks-outsell-passenger-cars-april-us-sales-first-time-2020-5
Pickup trucks outsold passenger cars in the US for the first time ever last month as buyers flock toward bigger vehicles

US consumers aren't too concerned about "climate change" when it comes to vehicles.


Its unfortunate.  Hopefully the tesla truck and ford electric truck starts to convert people.  Eventually people will learn but I hope its not too late.  We only got 1 earth.

changemyoil66

Re: Abortion
« Reply #148 on: October 14, 2020, 12:11:49 PM »
Ummm I literally listed some of the things I do?  I pay rent so there is only so much i can do housing.  If i owned a house it would be solar. I would also have a rain catchment system.  My next car is a tesla.  I tend to buy organic and certified eco friendly products.  I would buy eco friendly guns but not sure they exist.  I shop in bulk.  Even all the things I do,  the worst polluters are corporations and government.

I think CA passed some bill about not using lead in bullets.  So solid brass or what ever needs to be used.  You could use those since they do exist.

Also do you flush the toilet after every use?  You can go like every 5 or just piss down the drain.  Use gerbal power to power lamps, phones, TV, etc...

Corps are the worst polluters, but they make the products that you buy and need.  So without them, bye bye your car, electronics, guns, ammo, etc...

On a side note, did you look up what "eco friendly" is for your companies that u support?  There was a video about chicken on Amazon.  Free range has no regulation.  So you can create an opening to the chicken house and have it blocked by a fence that's outside and only 4 sq feet worth of area.  You also do not have to force the chicken to go outside either.  As long as there's an opening where it can move in and out of the chicken house, its "free range".

Same vid mentioned "free of anitbiotics". That's illegal in the US anyways.  Companies put that on there so you want to buy their brand more than the guy who doesn't mention it.

ren

Re: Abortion
« Reply #149 on: October 14, 2020, 12:12:03 PM »
The EPA is a great agency.  America leads the world in many aspects this is one of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_environmental_organizations#Governmental_agencies

but according to you our govt is a "climate change" offender
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ren

Re: Abortion
« Reply #150 on: October 14, 2020, 12:13:30 PM »

Its unfortunate.  Hopefully the tesla truck and ford electric truck starts to convert people.  Eventually people will learn but I hope its not too late.  We only got 1 earth.

bigger batteries more mining for lithium.
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

and how are the machines used to mine for those minerals powered by? Fossil fuels.
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omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #151 on: October 14, 2020, 12:13:49 PM »
but according to you our govt is a "climate change" offender

No ones perfect yo.  Though with trump we have gone backwards on the EPA. 

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #152 on: October 14, 2020, 12:14:33 PM »
bigger batteries more mining for lithium.
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

I am looking forward to technology and the new graphite batteries.  Its all about direction,  we will get better on the way.  Most change is good.

macsak

Re: Abortion
« Reply #153 on: October 14, 2020, 12:15:56 PM »
Yeah I just find it offensive that others seem to want to endlessly push their ethics on others. 

hello pot?
this is kettle
you're black

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #154 on: October 14, 2020, 12:16:45 PM »
I think CA passed some bill about not using lead in bullets.  So solid brass or what ever needs to be used.  You could use those since they do exist.

Also do you flush the toilet after every use?  You can go like every 5 or just piss down the drain.  Use gerbal power to power lamps, phones, TV, etc...

Corps are the worst polluters, but they make the products that you buy and need.  So without them, bye bye your car, electronics, guns, ammo, etc...

On a side note, did you look up what "eco friendly" is for your companies that u support?  There was a video about chicken on Amazon.  Free range has no regulation.  So you can create an opening to the chicken house and have it blocked by a fence that's outside and only 4 sq feet worth of area.  You also do not have to force the chicken to go outside either.  As long as there's an opening where it can move in and out of the chicken house, its "free range".

Same vid mentioned "free of anitbiotics". That's illegal in the US anyways.  Companies put that on there so you want to buy their brand more than the guy who doesn't mention it.

Idk maybe my fight is pointless like voting 3rd party but I feel I can't just do nothing.  Perhaps over time if enough people are like me there can be real change.  Change is hard.  People tend to fight it rather than accept it.

ren

Re: Abortion
« Reply #155 on: October 14, 2020, 12:17:04 PM »
I am looking forward to technology and the new graphite batteries.  Its all about direction,  we will get better on the way.  Most change is good.

graphite batteries still use lithium. I have a couple right now. They are more energy dense but use a different charging cycle than lithium poly. And guess what?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/business/batteries/graphite-mining-pollution-in-china/

At five towns in two provinces of China, Washington Post journalists heard the same story from villagers living near graphite companies: sparkling night air, damaged crops, homes and belongings covered in soot, polluted drinking water —
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macsak

Re: Abortion
« Reply #156 on: October 14, 2020, 12:17:23 PM »
That's why I advocate larger deals that deal with the biggest polluters.  And don't tend to punish the consumers.  No ones perfect I can do more, but I am also not selfless. I just to to help a little, every bit helps.  Change the discussion, the direction of humanity.  Small voices can grow to loud voices.  Every movement starts smart, every change has a beginning.

you forgot "how dare you!"

changemyoil66

Re: Abortion
« Reply #157 on: October 14, 2020, 12:18:14 PM »

Its unfortunate.  Hopefully the tesla truck and ford electric truck starts to convert people.  Eventually people will learn but I hope its not too late.  We only got 1 earth.

B4 you buy a 100% battery car, look into how bad that battery is for the environment with relation to it  being made and disposed of after.  Plus CA wild fires screwed 100% electric cars cause no power or places to charge.  So gas is still king.  We do have lots of EPA regs from tree huggers with drilling.  The US has lots of oil, but cant access it or more expensive to do so because of EPA regs.  So we have to buy overseas from countries who don't care about the earth.  Wouldn't it be better to relax some regs so we can drill/frack more?  Same goes with the oil we get here.  My friend used to work as a harbor pilot some years ago.  Thanks to the Jones act or something, the oil boat from our west doesn't dock in HI to drop off crude oil.  Instead if goes to CA because they gotta pay if they stop in HI.  Then from CA, it comes here.  So using more fossil fuels to ship stuff to us that just passed our state due to regs/laws.  He told me this many years ago, so IDK if it's still true or not.

ren

Re: Abortion
« Reply #158 on: October 14, 2020, 12:18:48 PM »
Idk maybe my fight is pointless like voting 3rd party but I feel I can't just do nothing.  Perhaps over time if enough people are like me there can be real change.  Change is hard.  People tend to fight it rather than accept it.

We are not having a fight. A debate about differing viewpoints and your answers are being rebutted.
It's like in grad school where you present your final paper in front of a panel - they try to poke holes in it and you defend it.....
The problem with people who say "climate change" this and that is they remove the factual arguments and inject emotional ones.
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ren

Re: Abortion
« Reply #159 on: October 14, 2020, 12:21:24 PM »
We still use fossil fuels because they are the most energy dense. Battery technology i.e. lithium based ones: Lithium polymer, lithium ion are catching up energy density but they still contribute to pollution when they are manufactured and disposed.
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