The COVID Cult (Read 1510993 times)

Inspector

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #100 on: November 20, 2020, 01:51:08 AM »
I am not a doctor but I have heard many people I trust tell me that HCQ, zinc, Azithromycin works if used early enough.
Right now all they are doing is quarantining themselves. Recommended by their doctor because apparently neither one is bad enough to require treatment even tho my niece says she is really sick. Her husband tells me she is overplaying this because she is terrified.

Thanks for the suggestions.
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oldfart

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #101 on: November 20, 2020, 07:24:20 AM »
I am not a doctor but I have heard many people I trust tell me that HCQ, zinc, Azithromycin works if used early enough.
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A long time ago, maybe 30 or 40 years ago, I read an article about zinc and colds and sore throats.
It said that cold viruses grow on moist tissue at slightly less than 98.6 degrees. This is why colds start with nose and throat problems. The cool air lowers the temperature of the throat and nasal passages and allows the cold virus to multiply in those areas.

That article suggested that sucking on zinc lozenges helps your sore throat by bathing the moist surface of your throat with zinc.
Zinc was proven to interfere with the reproductive cycle of cold viruses, so theoretically it would help lessen the severity of the cold.
It worked like magic!
I can tell you that I haven't had a sore throat or cold in the decades since reading that.

 Shortly after that article came out, large pharmaceutical companies started selling zinc based cold remedies at a much higher price. The cheap lozenges I used to get disappeared... to be replaced with more expensive brands in fancier packaging.

Country boy common sense tells me if zinc can interfere with the common cold virus reproductive cycle, then it might also interfere with covid virus reproduction.



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macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #102 on: November 20, 2020, 07:33:55 AM »
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A long time ago, maybe 30 or 40 years ago, I read an article about zinc and colds and sore throats.
It said that cold viruses grow on moist tissue at slightly less than 98.6 degrees. This is why colds start with nose and throat problems. The cool air lowers the temperature of the throat and nasal passages and allows the cold virus to multiply in those areas.

That article suggested that sucking on zinc lozenges helps your sore throat by bathing the moist surface of your throat with zinc.
Zinc was proven to interfere with the reproductive cycle of cold viruses, so theoretically it would help lessen the severity of the cold.
It worked like magic!
I can tell you that I haven't had a sore throat or cold in the decades since reading that.

 Shortly after that article came out, large pharmaceutical companies started selling zinc based cold remedies at a much higher price. The cheap lozenges I used to get disappeared... to be replaced with more expensive brands in fancier packaging.

Country boy common sense tells me if zinc can interfere with the common cold virus reproductive cycle, then it might also interfere with covid virus reproduction.

the people i have been following since early january have always been strongly encouraging people to take zinc and vitamin d

oldfart

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #103 on: November 20, 2020, 07:45:23 AM »
the people i have been following since early january have always been strongly encouraging people to take zinc and vitamin d
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Zinc is supposed to be good for your prostate too. But too much is not good either.
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hvybarrels

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #104 on: November 20, 2020, 10:08:50 AM »
How about fresh air and sunlight? Vitamin D is essential for a healthy immune system. Back in the day when there was a war and a pandemic at the same time the hospitals ran out of beds and they had to put the patients outside in makeshift tents, only to discover that the outside patients had significantly reduced mortality rates and faster recovery. Locking people up is making us sicker and part of me wonders if maybe that is the point.
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

oldfart

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #105 on: November 20, 2020, 10:50:48 AM »
Yep, fresh air and sunlight is great. The ac in my house and car are used only sparingly.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #106 on: November 23, 2020, 08:20:47 PM »
Election interference for starters, but there are all these Great Reset ideas that keep popping up as well. You can get a microchip to carry your medical clearance and (approved) social media around with you if that is what floats your boat, but trying to force 300 million Americans to do it voluntarily is a very tall order apparently even with the fear factory running at full steam.

Don't see how it would interfere with the election, Trump still got record numbers of votes, and Democrats didn't do as well as they though in congress.

Not sure where this microchip thing is coming into play though.

hvybarrels

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #107 on: November 23, 2020, 09:19:45 PM »
Don't see how it would interfere with the election, Trump still got record numbers of votes, and Democrats didn't do as well as they though in congress.

Not sure where this microchip thing is coming into play though.

You are being deliberately obtuse. It does not take an intellectual giant to see how a virus with a 99.97% recovery rate is still being used as a political weapon long after it was discovered to be nowhere near as dangerous as the hype.
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #108 on: November 23, 2020, 09:31:53 PM »
You are being deliberately obtuse. It does not take an intellectual giant to see how a virus with a 99.97% recovery rate is still being used as a political weapon long after it was discovered to be nowhere near as dangerous as the hype.

Yep.  Trump ran on his record.  Biden (and the Media) ran against a virus, as if Trump caused the pandemic.

Biden said many times 100% of COVID-19 deaths in the US are Trump's fault.

Idiots who hate Trump believed that BS.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #109 on: November 23, 2020, 09:34:03 PM »
You are being deliberately obtuse. It does not take an intellectual giant to see how a virus with a 99.97% recovery rate is still being used as a political weapon long after it was discovered to be nowhere near as dangerous as the hype.

Where do you get your 99.97% recovery from? Sounds like some fake news.

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #110 on: November 23, 2020, 09:35:47 PM »
Yep.  Trump ran on his record.  Biden (and the Media) ran against a virus, as if Trump caused the pandemic.

Biden said many times 100% of COVID-19 deaths in the US are Trump's fault.

Idiots who hate Trump believed that BS.

China started forest fires across the world.  Some countries fought the fire and put it out.   Some just watched it burn while mostly only blaming China.

hvybarrels

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #111 on: November 23, 2020, 10:42:15 PM »
Where do you get your 99.97% recovery from? Sounds like some fake news.

What do you think it is? If this looks like fake news you must have a significantly different number in mind.
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #112 on: November 24, 2020, 12:25:48 AM »
What do you think it is? If this looks like fake news you must have a significantly different number in mind.

Can I help?  Please??    :geekdanc:

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Scientists and researchers are constantly tracking infections and recoveries.
But they have data only on confirmed cases, so they can’t count people who
don’t get COVID-19 tests
. Experts also don’t have information about the outcome
of every infection. However, early estimates predict that the overall COVID-19
recovery rate is between 97% and 99.75%.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-recovery-overview#1

So, if you allow 0.22% of the total number infected to be asymptomatic or who powered through the infection without getting a test, then I'd say the recovery rate is AT LEAST 99.97%.

Unfortunately, we can't know what went unreported -- by definition. 
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

oldfart

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #113 on: November 24, 2020, 06:28:27 AM »
China started forest fires across the world.  Some countries fought the fire and put it out.   Some just watched it burn while mostly only blaming China.
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Yeah, gotta keep an eye out for those international Chinese tree arsonists.
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zippz

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #114 on: November 24, 2020, 08:57:16 AM »
99.97% recovery doesn't seem realistic.  That would be 300 deaths out of 1,000,000 .  Not sure if that number counts permanent disabilities too.  From the numbers thrown around, COVID seems to be more like the flu at 99.7-99.9%..  Or maybe it could be 99.97 if it meant without other factors.

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #115 on: November 24, 2020, 09:47:10 AM »
Can I help?  Please??    :geekdanc:

https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-recovery-overview#1

So, if you allow 0.22% of the total number infected to be asymptomatic or who powered through the infection without getting a test, then I'd say the recovery rate is AT LEAST 99.97%.

Unfortunately, we can't know what went unreported -- by definition.

True that, so for now it looks like its around 2% in USA.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

257k deaths in less than a year...thats some major flu!  :crazy:

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #116 on: November 24, 2020, 09:59:40 AM »


Of course this chart doesn't account for the "possible" huge discrepancy it total deaths that are included as "with Covid" versus "caused by Covid". If the actual "caused by Covid" deaths are a dramatically smaller number, which many people believe on the basis of substantial evidence (even the CDC acknowledges that only 6-9% of those deaths are caused by "Covid alone"), then the survival rates are much much higher.

Rocky

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #117 on: November 24, 2020, 10:01:48 AM »
99.97% recovery doesn't seem realistic.  That would be 300 deaths out of 1,000,000 .  Not sure if that number counts permanent disabilities too.  From the numbers thrown around, COVID seems to be more like the flu at 99.7-99.9%..  Or maybe it could be 99.97 if it meant without other factors.
So were talking .007% (255K) of the total U S population have died from C-19
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robtmc

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #118 on: November 24, 2020, 10:18:35 AM »
Biden said many times 100% of COVID-19 deaths in the US are Trump's fault.

Idiots who hate Trump believed that BS.
The demented old fool said all sorts of crazy stuff when off the teleprompter.  Media just faithfully reprinted it without question:

"Joe Biden claimed “millions” of Americans have died of the coronavirus and 85,000 jobs have been lost as a result of the pandemic"

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #119 on: November 24, 2020, 10:23:42 AM »
True that, so for now it looks like its around 2% in USA.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

257k deaths in less than a year...thats some major flu!  :crazy:

According to you:

China started forest fires across the world.  Some countries fought the fire and put it out.   Some just watched it burn while mostly only blaming China.

I ASSUME you are saying the US watched it burn.

There are 67 countries in the list you posted with higher death rates than the US.  Countries like Mexico, Bolivia, Egypt, Iran, Syria, CHINA, Afghanistan, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, Sweden, Ireland, and France, to name a few, all higher than 2.1%.

Most of the countries lower than the US have populations much, much smaller than the US, many with fewer people than most of our states have individually.  It's much easier to control and treat a small population versus 326M people like the US.  That's why percentages don't tell the whole story.  The number of hospitals, doctors, nurses, beds, ventilators, cases of medications, and masks is so much smaller and easier to produce and/or procure for a smaller country -- even stockpile -- so fighting the virus is not on the scale it is in larger countries.

I also notice that Sweden, the UK and Canada all have higher death rates than the US.  How can that possibly be?  Aren't these some of the fantastic SOCIALIZED MEDICINE countries that keep getting used as examples the US needs to follow?  Hmmmm??

So, which is it?  Did the US succeed in lowering the death rate from COVID-19 better than most other developed countries, or did Trump just sit and "watch it burn?"
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw