yes to freedom.

What you just carefully typed says if you have Ebola.  Not if you might have Ebola and screw everyone else who doesn't have it by closing their businesses and restricting their freedoms as healthy individuals.  And what is Ebola's mortality rate vs. Covid?

Thank you for getting to that. Ebola is much much more deadly than covid, as Flapp kindly pointed out. So I think you would agree that some line must be drawn, that there are times where a government can restrict the freedoms of individuals in pandemic type situations. Am I wrong? Working on that assumption, my next question is where do we draw the line?

Is it a 1% mortality rate? 5%? 10%? It gets a little more complicated of course because mortality is just one metric. A disease can have a high mortality rate but a very low transmission rate, but I am sure you get the basis of my question.

I did not imply
"that you would shoot me if I was walking around with ebola"
I said I'd shoot, just like I'd shoot a rabid animal.

Have fun in prison if you would murder someone so easily

Covin is a flu. You city people may wrap yourselves around the Axel

Incorrect, covid is not a type of influenza virus.
https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/no-covid-19-is-not-the-flu.html

but I,  still, hug, shake hands, and do life as normal.
It is no more deadly than a yearly FLU!

Also incorrect. Covid has killed at least 3 times as many people as influenza on average and that's considering the amount of steps we have taken to fight covid that we don't take with influenza

I'm 65 and I'm not going to give up my freedom
for your "Safe zone" theories, at this at this point in life.
I repudiate the authority of government. I also recognize that
government is a necessary evil, but like any poison it needs to be
taken in small doses.
Hide in your hole if you wish, but don't expect me to pay your
wages while you hide.
Don't expect your Hammer to hit me.

I've said nothing about safe zones.

Thank you for getting to that. Ebola is much much more deadly than covid, as Flapp kindly pointed out. So I think you would agree that some line must be drawn, that there are times where a government can restrict the freedoms of individuals in pandemic type situations. Am I wrong? Working on that assumption, my next question is where do we draw the line?

Is it a 1% mortality rate? 5%? 10%? It gets a little more complicated of course because mortality is just one metric. A disease can have a high mortality rate but a very low transmission rate, but I am sure you get the basis of my question.

The HUUUUUUGGGGEEEE diff between ebola and corona is we dont force quarantine and closures on those not sick.

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The HUUUUUUGGGGEEEE diff between ebola and corona is we dont force quarantine and closures on those not sick.

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Nor any other infectious disease ever... because it was well known that such measures were not only useless to stem transmission, but because the outcomes of such policies were far more devastating than the diseases themselves. Now that lying morons are at the helm of many states and regions and even countries, we have stupidity ruling the day, possibly for a political agenda. Too cynical? Or too realistic?

Nor any other infectious disease ever... because it was well known that such measures were not only useless to stem transmission, but because the outcomes of such policies were far more devastating than the diseases themselves. Now that lying morons are at the helm of many states and regions and even countries, we have stupidity ruling the day, possibly for a political agenda. Too cynical? Or too realistic?

It's all about control, and the failure to accept the fact that there are things we mortals can't control.

All of these lockdowns are an attempt to control "something", no different than gun control.  Can't control the virus/psycho, so try to control the population/firearms.

Just in case anyone was curious about my position of opposing lockdowns, me and Mrs. CMO both still have our jobs.  So my attitude that all businesses are essential, doesn't come from someone who lost their job and is struggling.  I have many friends who are in a bad spot and see what is happening.  Easy for Ige/Kirk to talk shit when they still getting paid and have lots in their savings accounts.

Just in case anyone was curious about my position of opposing lockdowns, me and Mrs. CMO both still have our jobs.  So my attitude that all businesses are essential, doesn't come from someone who lost their job and is struggling.  I have many friends who are in a bad spot and see what is happening.  Easy for Ige/Kirk to talk shit when they still getting paid and have lots in their savings accounts.

THIS

"essential" is nothing more than a code word for targeted.
No outbreaks were ever traced to a Walmart or other mainland big box retailers. All our State does is kill local businesses, local jobs and rely on mainland money to keep us afloat and keep political elites in power

Have fun in prison if you would murder someone so easily

Incorrect, covid is not a type of influenza virus.
https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/no-covid-19-is-not-the-flu.html

Also incorrect. Covid has killed at least 3 times as many people as influenza on average and that's considering the amount of steps we have taken to fight covid that we don't take with influenza

I've said nothing about safe zones.

"Have fun in prison if you would murder someone so easily"

That is a good one.
Kill and murder are two different words and contexts, in English
language.  In Aramic and Greek they are the same.
They used Slay and Kill to differentiate,  self preservation
from murder.

"Covid has killed at least 3 times as many people as influenza "
If you are fool enough to believe Democrat government
numbers, you are beyond all hope.

"essential" is nothing more than a code word for targeted.
No outbreaks were ever traced to a Walmart or other mainland big box retailers. All our State does is kill local businesses, local jobs and rely on mainland money to keep us afloat and keep political elites in power

I've been socially distancing myself from WalMartians for decades!  Makes sense that Walmart stores have a low infection rate.

I've been socially distancing myself from WalMartians for decades!  Makes sense that Walmart stores have a low infection rate.

After going to the Vegas Walmart, the Keaumoku one is a shithole.

After going to the Vegas Walmart, the Keaumoku one is a shithole.

I've been in some Walmarts that made me wonder if the local code enforcement folks were laid off for a decade or more.  I'm sure many Walmarts bought or rented space from older retail chains that couldn't compete. No way they were Walmart stores for as long as those buildings were standing.

After going to the Vegas Walmart, the Keaumoku one is a shithole.

The Keeamoku Walmart is not macro that's why

The HUUUUUUGGGGEEEE diff between ebola and corona is we dont force quarantine and closures on those not sick.

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Very true but the problem with covid that throws us the curveball is that so many people get it and don't show symptoms. If ebola could spread unnoticed but maintained the same mortality rate I think it would be quite difficult to justify not doing such closures.

We got lucky with other previous pandemics which were more deadly but did not spread easily so it wasn't as big of a threat (Swine flu I think).

Let me ask you this though, lets say we had no closures of any businesses whatsoever, do you think we wouldn't still suffer financially to a significant degree? What I am getting at there is that I think we would still see huge drops in the economy due to people voluntarily not travelling, going out to certain activities, etc. Additionally I would expect we see financial loss from businesses not being able to function as a wave of infection goes through the company. Of course such a wave would be must shorter lived than the 10 months of shutdown but still we would see some loss. On top of that there is potential financial loss in terms of overwhelming the medical system though I think this would be harder to calculate since we would have to guess what the fatality rate would be if we didn't act.

Don't get me wrong, I think some of the regulations were downright silly but I think others were reasonable and justified.


What is your opinion on countries like Taiwan which clamped down very heavy in the beginning and now is back to normal (relatively speaking) whereas we and other countries clamped down less and keep struggling. The encroachment on rights was more extreme in Taiwan but for a shorter period of time.

"Have fun in prison if you would murder someone so easily"

That is a good one.
Kill and murder are two different words and contexts, in English
language.  In Aramic and Greek they are the same.
They used Slay and Kill to differentiate,  self preservation
from murder.

Shooting someone on the sidewalk just because they had ebola would be murder by just about any standard whether colloquially or legally.

"Covid has killed at least 3 times as many people as influenza "
If you are fool enough to believe Democrat government
numbers, you are beyond all hope.

So instead I should just make up numbers then? And if anyone talks about evidence, just blame democrats!

Want to see shithole Walmarts? Visit the ones in Anchorage, AK and NW Louisiana. 😳

Very true but the problem with covid that throws us the curveball is that so many people get it and don't show symptoms. If ebola could spread unnoticed but maintained the same mortality rate I think it would be quite difficult to justify not doing such closures.

We got lucky with other previous pandemics which were more deadly but did not spread easily so it wasn't as big of a threat (Swine flu I think).

Let me ask you this though, lets say we had no closures of any businesses whatsoever, do you think we wouldn't still suffer financially to a significant degree? What I am getting at there is that I think we would still see huge drops in the economy due to people voluntarily not travelling, going out to certain activities, etc. Additionally I would expect we see financial loss from businesses not being able to function as a wave of infection goes through the company. Of course such a wave would be must shorter lived than the 10 months of shutdown but still we would see some loss. On top of that there is potential financial loss in terms of overwhelming the medical system though I think this would be harder to calculate since we would have to guess what the fatality rate would be if we didn't act.

Don't get me wrong, I think some of the regulations were downright silly but I think others were reasonable and justified.


What is your opinion on countries like Taiwan which clamped down very heavy in the beginning and now is back to normal (relatively speaking) whereas we and other countries clamped down less and keep struggling. The encroachment on rights was more extreme in Taiwan but for a shorter period of time.

When the government tells you to close or not make money, that's a problem. When they tell you u cannot have 1a and 2a rights because of covid, thats a problem. Only after lawsuits and many complaints were gun stores allowed to open and churches allowed to hold modified service. If no one complained, both would be closed.

I would expect a drop in travel and revenue, but not as huge as it is from march to now, if we didnt close off tourism. The BS 14 day quarantine has a trickle down effect too. I and many others didnt go to vegas because of the BS proclamations.

We average about 30k in tourist arrivals a day pre covid. March and on was about 1k a day. Now its about 11k avg a day.

Taiwan and other countries can do as they please. They do not have a 1a, 2a, or constitution like we do.

My first trip there, we were in a private car and passed thru a dui check point. Every driver had to blow to pass thru. Can hpd do that? Or do u need probable cause 1st? And out breathalizers suck. Theirs was just 1 hard blow, like blowing out 2 candles on a cake and done. Not the blow, keep blowing, almost there type of tech.



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When the government tells you to close or not make money, that's a problem. When they tell you u cannot have 1a and 2a rights because of covid, thats a problem. Only after lawsuits and many complaints were gun stores allowed to open and churches allowed to hold modified service. If no one complained, both would be closed.

I would expect a drop in travel and revenue, but not as huge as it is from march to now, if we didnt close off tourism. The BS 14 day quarantine has a trickle down effect too. I and many others didnt go to vegas because of the BS proclamations.

We average about 30k in tourist arrivals a day pre covid. March and on was about 1k a day. Now its about 11k avg a day.



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and our local leaders aren't forward thinking either - there are no exceptions for people who have already had COVID or the vax.

Shooting someone on the sidewalk just because they had ebola would be murder by just about any standard whether colloquially or legally.



So instead I should just make up numbers then? And if anyone talks about evidence, just blame democrats!

According to the WHO, all of China, only 8800 dead from covid. So...

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and our local leaders aren't forward thinking either - there are no exceptions for people who have already had COVID or the vax.

I think there will be eventually. That type of process will take a little while to set up.
For starters you would need to make sure all US territories and states recognize all other state's vaccine cards
Then there would be issues of people forging vaccine cards.

I don't know how fast they are vaccinating people but I would hope they can get this figured out and put in place within a month.