withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea? (Read 153719 times)

changemyoil66

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #100 on: August 16, 2021, 11:44:43 AM »
Biden also lied in today's speech when he said the US made sure the Afghan Defense Force had a working Air Force. Docs already came out that the Biden WH denied outside maintenance teams to come in and keep the equipment air worthy.

But doesn't our resident war/econ/green/covid expert say to just bomb em all?  Guess he didn't know that said aircraft require X house of service for Y hours of flight.  Then add in total overhauls once Y hours are receached.

Hazard Lee's YT channel mentioned this with the F35. But it can still relate to any other aircraft that was left behind for the ANA. I don't remember the exact about of service hours, but it was ridiculous.  But for less advanced aircraft, it wouldn't be as high as the F35, but still required.

Kuleana

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #101 on: August 16, 2021, 11:46:55 AM »
The list of countries China isn't meddling in would be shorter. 

I can't provide objective evidence, so I won't ask any of yours.  Not proven in court either.  That said, you're saying China would NOT interfere with internal affairs of other countries?
I define meddling as interfering with the pollical or domestic environment of a sovereign nation with the intent to destabilize or engineer some form of regime change.

changemyoil66

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #102 on: August 16, 2021, 11:48:01 AM »
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obama-afghanistan-ambassador-grave-questions-biden-ability-lead



So wait, fault is being placed where?
Another thought comes to mind. Weak leader so Taliban know they can get away with more stuff.

All Sleepy Joe had to do was nothing and he could blame it entirely on Trump.  But he even messed that up.

changemyoil66

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #103 on: August 16, 2021, 11:48:43 AM »
I define meddling as interfering with the pollical or domestic environment of a sovereign nation with the intent to destabilize or engineer some form of regime change.

What about keeping same regime in,but having control over them?

Kuleana

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #104 on: August 16, 2021, 11:52:58 AM »
What about keeping same regime in,but having control over them?
You mean like how the US empire puts fully-armed military garrisons in foreign countries to protect their puppet leaders?

If I am using the above definition, none comes to mind.

groveler

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #105 on: August 16, 2021, 11:55:09 AM »
I suffered through the Biden prepared speech.
I was in the military when the Saigon evac occurred
( I was in North Dakota at the time).  I was pissed then.
I'm not in the military now, but I'm just as pissed.
All the waste of life, just because we allow Democrats
in the USA.
Realistically we have to suffer with Democrats but I'm sure tired
of their influence over our less intelligent population.
( you have to be stupid or very rich to be a Democrat).

We need to resolve that the USA will not have to suffer
another Political war and its loss ever again!
 :-[

drck1000

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #106 on: August 16, 2021, 11:57:19 AM »
What area?
The 49 legally recognized states?   :shaka:

aletheuo137

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #107 on: August 16, 2021, 11:59:52 AM »
The 49 legally recognized states?   :shaka:
53 according to Obama.

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changemyoil66

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #108 on: August 16, 2021, 12:26:50 PM »
I suffered through the Biden prepared speech.
I was in the military when the Saigon evac occurred
( I was in North Dakota at the time).  I was pissed then.
I'm not in the military now, but I'm just as pissed.
All the waste of life, just because we allow Democrats
in the USA.
Realistically we have to suffer with Democrats but I'm sure tired
of their influence over our less intelligent population.
( you have to be stupid or very rich to be a Democrat).

We need to resolve that the USA will not have to suffer
another Political war and its loss ever again!
 :-[

I would say the difference between nam and a-stan is that our goal was to get Al-Quada/Bin Laden., since we were attacked.  Which we did. So the exit strategy should have been after we got Laden.  Guess the US also tried to gamble and also fix/implement a government as well and decided to stay longer.  Now we are seeing what is happening.  They also gambled in Syria with Asaad and lost that.

Same went with Iraq, once we got Sadaam, perfect exit time. Screw trying to help them form a gov and all other stuff.  This also saves face.  We got the head guys, now we're out.  We are not the world police or responsible to help other countries grow a the cost of US lives.  TBH, we should not have entered Iraq to begin with either due to the WMD fake news.  Iraq never attacked the US to warrant another war.  The Gulf War, Kuwait was asking for our help (they're an ally), so a little more understandable with that one.

1 of my friends was in A-stan. Luckily he never lost anyone there.  But he did lose a wife to Jody.  So he's pretty pissed.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #109 on: August 16, 2021, 12:27:23 PM »
Got proof to backup this claim?

Ever hear of Google?  It's a real "thing".

Not my "claim", but it only took me 10 seconds to find these sources.

#IT-SME

Quote
Commanders did know that the afflictions of the Afghan forces had never been cured:
the deep corruption, the failure by the government to pay many Afghan soldiers and
police officers for months
, the defections, the soldiers sent to the front without
adequate food and water, let alone arms. In the past several days, the Afghan forces
have steadily collapsed as they battled to defend ever shrinking territory, losing
Mazar-i-Sharif, the country’s economic engine, to the Taliban on Saturday.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/14/us/afghanistan-biden.html

Report: Ex-Afghan President Left with so
Much Cash It Didn’t Fit in His Helicopter

Quote
The Russian embassy in Kabul, the capital of Afghanistan, claimed on Monday that
former President Ashraf Ghani had fled the country with four cars and a helicopter
stuffed with cash.

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/08/16/report-ex-afghan-president-left-with-so-much-cash-it-didnt-fit-in-his-helicopter/
« Last Edit: August 16, 2021, 12:32:24 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #110 on: August 16, 2021, 12:31:29 PM »
Ever hear of Google?  It's a real "thing".

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/14/us/afghanistan-biden.html

Pepperidge Farms remembers when the Iraq Government sent their soldiers to FOBs to hold back ISIS with literally 1 magazine for each rifle. Those soldiers all walked off the lines and we know what happened next.

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #111 on: August 16, 2021, 12:35:14 PM »
But doesn't our resident war/econ/green/covid expert say to just bomb em all?  Guess he didn't know that said aircraft require X house of service for Y hours of flight.  Then add in total overhauls once Y hours are receached.

Hazard Lee's YT channel mentioned this with the F35. But it can still relate to any other aircraft that was left behind for the ANA. I don't remember the exact about of service hours, but it was ridiculous.  But for less advanced aircraft, it wouldn't be as high as the F35, but still required.

Down time per hr in the air for a Helicopter is pretty atrocious. Also service life of their moving parts is very short.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #112 on: August 16, 2021, 12:41:58 PM »
Pepperidge Farms remembers when the Iraq Government sent their soldiers to FOBs to hold back ISIS with literally 1 magazine for each rifle. Those soldiers all walked off the lines and we know what happened next.

Many Iraqi soldiers were seen fighting on the other side, too.  Not just deserters, but defectors.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #113 on: August 16, 2021, 12:42:38 PM »
Down time per hr in the air for a Helicopter is pretty atrocious. Also service life of their moving parts is very short.

Someone in the military knows this as common knowledge.  But as a civilian, I only learned about this a few months ago after watching Hazard's channel.  Even the military class I took at UH didn't cover logistics or like things.  It was taught by a retired O6 who also taught at West Point prior to moving to HI.

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #114 on: August 16, 2021, 12:49:51 PM »
Many Iraqi soldiers were seen fighting on the other side, too.  Not just deserters, but defectors.

You mean all the guys McCain gave SpecWar training and top tier gear to that cut their comms and disappeared forever with all that loot and know how within an hour after being inserted back into the country?

If I remember right that was $40 million dollars that went skipping off laughing into the night.

changemyoil66

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #115 on: August 16, 2021, 01:07:26 PM »
You mean all the guys McCain gave SpecWar training and top tier gear to that cut their comms and disappeared forever with all that loot and know how within an hour after being inserted back into the country?

If I remember right that was $40 million dollars that went skipping off laughing into the night.

McCain is a good man. He is a very good politician.  Although not pro 2a, I can over look that due to the other good he has done. Says 1.

omnigun

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #116 on: August 16, 2021, 01:09:59 PM »
Ever hear of Google?  It's a real "thing".

Not my "claim", but it only took me 10 seconds to find these sources.

#IT-SME

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/14/us/afghanistan-biden.html

Report: Ex-Afghan President Left with so
Much Cash It Didn’t Fit in His Helicopter

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/08/16/report-ex-afghan-president-left-with-so-much-cash-it-didnt-fit-in-his-helicopter/

>breitbart.com
on a report from Russia

and you complain about fakenews...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #117 on: August 16, 2021, 01:11:18 PM »
>breitbart.com
on a report from Russia

and you complain about fakenews...

You have any PROOF that the article is fake news?

Of course not.  Just your own biases at play.

#ArguesWithARockWall
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #118 on: August 16, 2021, 01:13:44 PM »
Might wanna turn on a non Cable MSM channel you Moron, even ABC has stopped carrying Biden water and is reporting all this crap.

As soon as the MSM starts actually fact checking Biden and Psaki this charade is gonna crater.


Probably why Psaki went on 2 weeks vacation yesterday.

omnigun

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #119 on: August 16, 2021, 01:14:02 PM »
You have any PROOF that the article is fake news?

Of course not.  Just your own biases at play.

#ArguesWithARockWall

Never said it was,  just pointing the hypocrisy and if I have to google for you,  the other way should be valid too.

You just got done saying in another post how not the believe in the media but if the article is in your favor, believe away....