Get a non approved by the FDA vaxx to save lives.

Shipping cost too much to save lives.

They should have paypal'd over the funds to the shipping company.

I fail to see how failure to extract all equipment will endanger American lives.  (assuming we get all citizens out of Afghanistan).   Inb4 they would use the weapons against citizens in the mean time....while having plenty of their own.

Its about saving money at this point Afghanistan is broken,  we can't fix it.  Time to move on. 

Swooooosssshhhhhhh. He felt the need to argue again.

Not about arguing, its about the facts.  I dislike false facts and will point it out.  Regardless.  If I see a flat earther on the street with a sign I take the time to tell them they are wrong.

theres a reason for ITAR and that reason is apllicable to this argument

Now these Taliban have far more accurate rifles now that they are armed with M4s and A4s some with ACOGs versus the POS AKs they had....

theres a reason for ITAR and that reason is apllicable to this argument

IT hobbyist would search and come up with this
https://www.bing.com/search?q=itar&cvid=6eb504dc4e3f4e3096d533b50d94c3df&aqs=edge..69i57j0l6.980j0j1&pglt=43&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=LCTS

Not about arguing, its about the facts.  I dislike false facts and will point it out.  Regardless.  If I see a flat earther on the street with a sign I take the time to tell them they are wrong.

Or maybe you have an ego problem and don't know when to not say anything.  Like I stated, you feel the need to add your $0.02 to everything and most of time are incorrect.  Just to try and make like you are the big man on campus.  Maybe over a keyboard is the only time you can puff your chest?  A real man doesn't feel the need to puff his chest.

Did my post say ALL renters don't have pride in ownership?  I've worked for a property manager and have seen 1st hand the difference between renters and. owners.  I shouldn't have to type this last part out about working for a prop mgr, but you will seem to argue something else and I need to provide specific examples.  You are the only one who responded in the manner that you did. 

Your time off the forums was very nice.  Then when you came back it began OK.  But now its heading back to where this all began.  So if you take time off again, I'm sure I speak for many people here, we would appreciate it. 

Feel free to refer back to my other 2 post prior to you taking time off.

Because obviously ending a war ends with bombing everything.  Oh wait....isnt that how wars start.  The plan is to GTFO of afganistan and waste less money.  Get the citizens out and leave everything else that isn't worth bringing back.  Its not like they can maintain everything.  Imagine spending more on bringing used equipment back than purchasing new ones...The whole point is to stop wasting money right?

Can't pass on this bullshit... even if it feeds the troll....

There's more than one way to "bomb" something.  They can bomb the remaining equipment in place using small charges, not missiles or aerial bombs.  Nobody is going to "start a war" using contained C4 charged placed in specific locations with everyone kept at a safe distance.  They don't need to pulverized every piece.  Just do enough damage to "total" it -- a severed vehicle frame and hole in the engine block, etc.  When I was in Saudi Arabia, we had thermite grenades for our computer destruction procedures.  Placing thermite on a disk pack (old school), mainframe, etc. would burn a hole through the equipment and all the way through the floor of the trailer it was in.  Tapes were destroyed with gasoline and flares to ignite it. 

Your limited imagination is out of ignorance.  We keep telling you that, but you never learn.

The PLAN (under Trump) was to have MONTHS of orderly withdrawals until the deadline.  Your "GTFO" method is what Biden tried to do at the last minute.  Not exactly a "plan".

Nobody is saying we should bring all the used equipment home.  Who said that?  The voices in your head?

The whole point is to stop sending people to die in a war. How the hell do you not see that?  The money is going to be spent no matter where it's spent -- if not on the war, on other things.  Biden is writing trillion dollar checks on top of military spending that we can't cover, and he's been in office for barely 6 months.

Now these Taliban have far more accurate rifles now that they are armed with M4s and A4s some with ACOGs versus the POS AKs they had....

Don't forget NVGs that will make any soldier who uses IR on their rifles visible at night.  But our resident tactician says no big deal, so no worry. Beef curry.

Guess he didn't see the pics of Taliban using M4's now.  I have never seen so many Taliban in 1 area using that many M4's.

Can't pass on this bullshit... even if it feeds the troll....

There's more than one way to "bomb" something.  They can bomb the remaining equipment in place using small charges, not missiles or aerial bombs.  Nobody is going to "start a war" using contained C4 charged placed in specific locations with everyone kept at a safe distance.  They don't need to pulverized every piece.  Just do enough damage to "total" it -- a severed vehicle frame and hole in the engine block, etc.  When I was in Saudi Arabia, we had thermite grenades for our computer destruction procedures.  Placing thermite on a disk pack (old school), mainframe, etc. would burn a hole through the equipment and all the way through the floor of the trailer it was in.  Tapes were destroyed with gasoline and flares to ignite it. 

Your limited imagination is out of ignorance.  We keep telling you that, but you never learn.

The PLAN (under Trump) was to have MONTHS of orderly withdrawals until the deadline.  Your "GTFO" method is what Biden tried to do at the last minute.  Not exactly a "plan".

Nobody is saying we should bring all the used equipment home.  Who said that?  The voices in your head?

The whole point is to stop sending people to die in a war. How the hell do you not see that?  The money is going to be spent no matter where it's spent -- if not on the war, on other things.  Biden is writing trillion dollar checks on top of military spending that we can't cover, and he's been in office for barely 6 months.

Just previously people were complaining that biden was delaying the withdrawl.  Are you suggesting Trump would do better in less time?

I fail to see how failure to extract all equipment will endanger American lives.  (assuming we get all citizens out of Afghanistan).   Inb4 they would use the weapons against citizens in the mean time....while having plenty of their own.

Its about saving money at this point Afghanistan is broken,  we can't fix it.  Time to move on.

You fail to see most things in this topic, because you have no military experience.  Zero -- nada -- zilch.

Not about the money.  Clean-up costs are inevitable.  What's worse is arming the bad guys -- the people we fought against for 20 years.

Civilians are not trained fighters.  The Taliban have training camps.  The same weapons in a trained Taliban's hands are more lethal than in the hands of "citizens."

You're about as stupid as Biden was for causing this whole mess.  What was done over the last 6 months to prevent this situation from happening?  Doesn't appear that anyone really believed the withdrawal was going to happen on schedule.  That's the problem with having a president that doesn't appear to be in charge.

Or maybe you have an ego problem and don't know when to not say anything.  Like I stated, you feel the need to add your $0.02 to everything and most of time are incorrect.  Just to try and make like you are the big man on campus.  Maybe over a keyboard is the only time you can puff your chest?  A real man doesn't feel the need to puff his chest.

Did my post say ALL renters don't have pride in ownership?  I've worked for a property manager and have seen 1st hand the difference between renters and. owners.  I shouldn't have to type this last part out about working for a prop mgr, but you will seem to argue something else and I need to provide specific examples.  You are the only one who responded in the manner that you did. 

Your time off the forums was very nice.  Then when you came back it began OK.  But now its heading back to where this all began.  So if you take time off again, I'm sure I speak for many people here, we would appreciate it. 

Feel free to refer back to my other 2 post prior to you taking time off.

The implication of your post did not have such a difference.  I took it at face value. 

You got a point,  I left and returned the toxicity remained the same.  People still saying names and demeaning wordage.  And as everyone know I tend to reciprocate what I am given.  I am now conflicted between my morals and the situation.  I'll think a bit deeper into my future. 

Just previously people were complaining that biden was delaying the withdrawl.  Are you suggesting Trump would do better in less time?

Are you ignoring EVERYTHING I JUST WROTE just to post a hypothetical for argument's sake?

Yep.  Same old tactic.  Ignore the obvious facts and argue things that can never be proven.

I have 2 words to say how Trump would have handled it:

Warp Speed.

You fail to see most things in this topic, because you have no military experience.  Zero -- nada -- zilch.

Not about the money.  Clean-up costs are inevitable.  What's worse is arming the bad guys -- the people we fought against for 20 years.

Civilians are not trained fighters.  The Taliban have training camps.  The same weapons in a trained Taliban's hands are more lethal if in the hands of "citizens."

You're about as stupid as Biden was for causing this whole mess.  What was done over the last 6 months to prevent this situation from happening?  Doesn't appear that anyone really believed the withdrawal was going to happen on schedule.  That's the problem with having a president that doesn't appear to be in charge.

I am talking about US citizens, the ones I care about.  Yes the Taliban will have more weapons, but at this point the USA tried to save them and if they can't save themselves its on them. 

Or maybe you have an ego problem and don't know when to not say anything.  Like I stated, you feel the need to add your $0.02 to everything and most of time are incorrect.  Just to try and make like you are the big man on campus.  Maybe over a keyboard is the only time you can puff your chest?  A real man doesn't feel the need to puff his chest.

Did my post say ALL renters don't have pride in ownership?  I've worked for a property manager and have seen 1st hand the difference between renters and. owners.  I shouldn't have to type this last part out about working for a prop mgr, but you will seem to argue something else and I need to provide specific examples.  You are the only one who responded in the manner that you did. 

Your time off the forums was very nice.  Then when you came back it began OK.  But now its heading back to where this all began.  So if you take time off again, I'm sure I speak for many people here, we would appreciate it. 

Feel free to refer back to my other 2 post prior to you taking time off.

"silverbacking"

I am talking about US citizens, the ones I care about.  Yes the Taliban will have more weapons, but at this point the USA tried to save them and if they can't save themselves its on them.

please show me where the US was trying to save the taliban...

I am talking about US citizens, the ones I care about.  Yes the Taliban will have more weapons, but at this point the USA tried to save them and if they can't save themselves its on them.

or are you saying that it's on the US citizens because they can't save themselves?

Apparently a bunch of the choppers the Taliban got in the Welcome Wagon were Spec War Apaches, top of the line brand new next gen tech. It used to be we didnt give much of an F about  airframes or engines falling into enemy hands it was always about making sure they did not get a hold of the avionics and comm gear , (the stuff we never sell even to allies).

I heard stories from Nam Vets about how they used to send in special small teams based in Laos to go after US planes downed in the North, not to get back the pilots, but to makes sure all the electronics were either destroyed or picked up and walked back home.


I am sure Pakistan is probably selling those boxes to China sometime later this afternoon.

The implication of your post did not have such a difference.  I took it at face value. 

You got a point,  I left and returned the toxicity remained the same.  People still saying names and demeaning wordage.  And as everyone know I tend to reciprocate what I am given.  I am now conflicted between my morals and the situation.  I'll think a bit deeper into my future.

" I left and returned the toxicity remained the same". We call this a clue. If you read the post while you were gone, the toxicity that you are talking about was gone. I personally had time to post more tinfoil type of stuff.

"People still saying names and demeaning wordage". Because they know you haven't changed.  And you would have to show change for any of these to stop.  We covered this previously.

" I am now conflicted between my morals and the situation". It's not about your morals. You are again not accepting that YOU are the cause for the toxicity.  It's your attitude to the post.  I posted what my morals/ethics are on this forum and never got called names or demeaning wordage toward myself.  Were they questioned, of course they were.  But I posted my reasoning and people respected it. And if you're purposely arguing just to argue because you want entertainment or don't like it when everyone agrees on the same issue, then you're just a jerk.  And these forums aren't like bigger ones where you will never meet/run into the members.  Like bodybuilding.com forum or AR15.com forums, etc...Hawaii is very small and your name travels.  You may need a part or want to try something and no one will help you because of how you represent yourself. 

I don't like to tell people what to do, but I hope you depart.  I'm sure you didn't notice, but did you ever wonder why myself or Mrs.CMO didn't talk to you at the sign waving rally in front the Kamehameha statue?  You just got the acknowledgement head nod.  Instead I was chatting with the guy in front of me who is also a poster here.  I only met him that day and he was very friendly.  Guess who's name came up during conversation.

Are you ignoring EVERYTHING I JUST WROTE just to post a hypothetical for argument's sake?

Yep.  Same old tactic.  Ignore the obvious facts and argue things that can never be proven.

I have 2 words to say how Trump would have handled it:

Warp Speed.

And Taliban wouldn't have the balls to do what they're currently doing.  They would wait until we were totally out of A-stan.

https://twitter.com/EliseStefanik/status/1428474768911740940


WSJ is reporting that officials serving in the Kabul embassy sent word to the Sec of State LAST MONTH about Taliban gains & that evacuations needed to happen fast.

How & why was this ignored?

IF we give Biden the benefit of the doubt on his statements about 'Never being informed' about any of these possibilities. That leaves only a couple options, no one bothered to brief him because he was never really was in charge so why keep Capt Ice Cream in the loop, and the folks in his cabinet and on the security council were a bunch of Vindmans and Nulands, ever so certain THEY knew how better to deal with international situations than the POTUS ever would so they ran their own game.


Not severely punishing all the people who ran out of bounds under Trump was a really bad precedent to set, and was certain to come back to bite folks on the ass.