One of my all time fav movie quotes. . .

I liked that quote also, however, my designs
had to be mathematically proven to and approved by the FAA to have a less
than 10 to the minus 12 possibility of failure affecting the passengers.
That is part of the reason they basically rebuild aircraft every few years.

Seems to me the FAA has to license all major rocket launches.
 

I liked that quote also, however, my designs
had to be mathematically proven to and approved by the FAA to have a less
than 10 to the minus 12 possibility of failure affecting the passengers.
That is part of the reason they basically rebuild aircraft every few years.

Seems to me the FAA has to license all major rocket launches.
 

Mathematically proven?  It's been over a decade since I did design, but my designs were "mathematically proven", and following laws of physics.  Would contractors put it together properly?  Well, maybe. . .

Mathematically proven?  It's been over a decade since I did design, but my designs were "mathematically proven", and following laws of physics.  Would contractors put it together properly?  Well, maybe. . .

Yeah!
Aerospace is a little different than civil engineering.
It is like working around Nukes there is always somebody watching you.
 

Mathematically proven?  It's been over a decade since I did design, but my designs were "mathematically proven", and following laws of physics.  Would contractors put it together properly?  Well, maybe. . .

There was a vid on forgotten weapons (gun jesus) about this. Engineers designed a rifle and built it. Worked fine in testing. Then at mass production factory level, they weren't working during that testing phase. Turns out the machine worker calibrated the machine in a way he thought it would be beneficial. Faster so more guns can br pumped out.  But was wrong.

So ian mentioned it would be a good idea to have an engineer at the plant level to make sure everything is correct.

This was the garand. The clip can be loaded from either side. But due to the error, the clips now only worked when loaded from a specific side. So during that test day, john had to make sure all clips used were loaded correctly. Then fixed the issue later.

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What do you guys think Trump’s exit strategy was ?
Leave the Afghan Government high and dry or negotiate with the Taliban ?
We transferred a crap ton of equipment to them over 20 years.

Sadly, under Biden we apparently did both.

I don't have any faith that Trump would have done it any better though the media would certainly paint it worse.

You are quite correct,  for example it takes about 10 hours of maintenance on a Black hawk for every flight hour.
They won't last long.
The problem is any classified equipment that was left behind and functional, hopefully that stuff was destroyed.
Most all our stuff has an export version and that is what we provide,
We do not sell our very best, eg the F-22.
IIRC the US bought Russian Mi-17 helicopters for the Afgans
because they couldn't maintain the UH-60's without American contractors.

This was a typical Democrat cluster fuk, but the real problem is Afganistan was
an illegal war and we should never do this again.
Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan should be lessons,
Only Congress can declare war. not some UN resolution, Democrat, or RINO politician,
Only Congress!
 

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Ideally most of the equipment are Trojan horses, rigged to explode or assist us in tracking when they are near key Taliban figures!

I don't have any faith that Trump would have done it any better though the media would certainly paint it worse.

Trump did a surprise visit at Christmas to visit the troops in Iraq.  He literally loves our American troops. If you paid attention to all the times he visited troops and the wounded in hospitals, and the calls he made to the families of soldiers, it's impossible to believe otherwise.

Trump visited troops in S. Korea as early as Nov. 2017 -- less than a year in office.  And the press hounded him for not visiting the Middle East before Dec. 2018.

But now that Biden has overseen the worst military mobilization I can ever remember hearing about, nobody is questioning why he never once went to Afghanistan to get a fix on the planning and any foreseen problems.

I guarantee you Trump would have been on the ground at least once in 2021 to do just that.  He's a lot more "hands on" than any President since Reagan (if you don't count Creepy Joe's roaming hands and Clinton's affairs, that is).

He and DOCTOR Jill Biden managed to squeeze in a visit to the Walter Reed Hospital in Maryland 4 days after the Afghanistan withdrawal was "completed".  Maybe he should have spent that time visiting the generals and troops planning the withdrawal, and there might have been fewer wounded to visit afterward?

On Sunday, Biden and his wife Jill paid tribute to the 13 US members killed in the attack,
as their remains were returned to the United States at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware.

Claimed by the Islamic State's regional arm IS-Khorasan, the suicide attack killed over 100
people, making it one of the deadliest bombings for civilians in Kabul in recent years, and
leading to the worst single-day death toll for the US military in Afghanistan since 2011.

I seriously doubt Trump would have been as ineffective, but I guess we'll never know now that Resident Biden was allowed to win.

Trump did a surprise visit at Christmas to visit the troops in Iraq.  He literally loves our American troops. If you paid attention to all the times he visited troops and the wounded in hospitals, and the calls he made to the families of soldiers, it's impossible to believe otherwise.

Trump visited troops in S. Korea as early as Nov. 2017 -- less than a year in office.  And the press hounded him for not visiting the Middle East before Dec. 2018.

But now that Biden has overseen the worst military mobilization I can ever remember hearing about, nobody is questioning why he never once went to Afghanistan to get a fix on the planning and any foreseen problems.

I guarantee you Trump would have been on the ground at least once in 2021 to do just that.  He's a lot more "hands on" than any President since Reagan (if you don't count Creepy Joe's roaming hands and Clinton's affairs, that is).

He and DOCTOR Jill Biden managed to squeeze in a visit to the Walter Reed Hospital in Maryland 4 days after the Afghanistan withdrawal was "completed".  Maybe he should have spent that time visiting the generals and troops planning the withdrawal, and there might have been fewer wounded to visit afterward?

I seriously doubt Trump would have been as ineffective, but I guess we'll never know now that Resident Biden was allowed to win.

Not a real doctor. Can even touch tootheses

Ideally most of the equipment are Trojan horses, rigged to explode or assist us in tracking when they are near key Taliban figures!

Like how when china invades, they will deactivate all Holosuns.

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Ideally most of the equipment are Trojan horses, rigged to explode or assist us in tracking when they are near key Taliban figures!

You know how you can tell if your electronics are designed to explode, stop working, or covertly track you?

It says on the bottom: Made In China.

Trump did a surprise visit at Christmas to visit the troops in Iraq.  He literally loves our American troops. If you paid attention to all the times he visited troops and the wounded in hospitals, and the calls he made to the families of soldiers, it's impossible to believe otherwise.

Trump visited troops in S. Korea as early as Nov. 2017 -- less than a year in office.  And the press hounded him for not visiting the Middle East before Dec. 2018.

But now that Biden has overseen the worst military mobilization I can ever remember hearing about, nobody is questioning why he never once went to Afghanistan to get a fix on the planning and any foreseen problems.

I guarantee you Trump would have been on the ground at least once in 2021 to do just that.  He's a lot more "hands on" than any President since Reagan (if you don't count Creepy Joe's roaming hands and Clinton's affairs, that is).

He and DOCTOR Jill Biden managed to squeeze in a visit to the Walter Reed Hospital in Maryland 4 days after the Afghanistan withdrawal was "completed".  Maybe he should have spent that time visiting the generals and troops planning the withdrawal, and there might have been fewer wounded to visit afterward?

I seriously doubt Trump would have been as ineffective, but I guess we'll never know now that Resident Biden was allowed to win.

Does Trump really love our troops that much? Certainly possible and it wouldn't surprise but he also knows that supporting the military is a solid campaign strategy so it could all just be ca calculated strategy. I can't read his mind though so I don't know.

Not sure what Jill Biden having a doctorate has to do with anything, that's just a cheap political attack

Does Trump really love our troops that much? Certainly possible and it wouldn't surprise but he also knows that supporting the military is a solid campaign strategy so it could all just be ca calculated strategy. I can't read his mind though so I don't know.

Not sure what Jill Biden having a doctorate has to do with anything, that's just a cheap political attack

At this point, do you really think Trump is a run-of-the-mill politician who gives a flying flip what the media, the other politicians, and the people who hate him think of him?

You haven't been paying attention. 

Not only does Trump love the military (with a few high-ranking exceptions), they love him back!

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2017/11/22/10-photos-president-trump-troops-show-hes-beloved-military-564743/

Female soldiers are getting raped by Afghan immigrants now.

How long do you think the lower ranks will put up with this stuff?

I'm trying to think happy thoughts but it's not easy, because what is coming is going to be swift and ugly. Time to buy more rice and beans.

https://www.postdiscus.com/2021/09/several-afghan-refugees-rape-female.html

Female soldiers are getting raped by Afghan immigrants now.

How long do you think the lower ranks will put up with this stuff?

I'm trying to think happy thoughts but it's not easy, because what is coming is going to be swift and ugly. Time to buy more rice and beans.

https://www.postdiscus.com/2021/09/several-afghan-refugees-rape-female.html

That's not just an Afghan "thing."  Fundamentalist Islamists have a pretty low opinion of women in general.  Saw that firsthand in Saudi Arabia and at Keesler AFB.  At Keesler, we had one female instructor in our computer programmer classes.  We also had 2 Saudi officers.  I commented to the Female Lt. on how impressed I was with her professionalism and patience.  If one of the Saudi's had a question, they yelled for her to come over and expected her to stop anything else she was doing -- including helping another student.  In Saudi, there's just too much to list re: the treatment of women as 2nd class citizens.

That's not just an Afghan "thing."  Fundamentalist Islamists have a pretty low opinion of women in general.  Saw that firsthand in Saudi Arabia and at Keesler AFB.  At Keesler, we had one female instructor in our computer programmer classes.  We also had 2 Saudi officers.  I commented to the Female Lt. on how impressed I was with her professionalism and patience.  If one of the Saudi's had a question, they yelled for her to come over and expected her to stop anything else she was doing -- including helping another student.  In Saudi, there's just too much to list re: the treatment of women as 2nd class citizens.

And now that theyre here, its crazy to have them adapt to some of our culture. Wheres those gays for islam college students?

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Female soldiers are getting raped by Afghan immigrants now.

How long do you think the lower ranks will put up with this stuff?

I'm trying to think happy thoughts but it's not easy, because what is coming is going to be swift and ugly. Time to buy more rice and beans.

https://www.postdiscus.com/2021/09/several-afghan-refugees-rape-female.html

Mainly from personal experience I have a dim view of Female soldiers being exposed to the enemy
or potentially hostile forces.
They are going to get raped, that is all there is too it.  I presume they understand that
and accept that possibility, when they joined up.
Keep them in "the rear with the gear".
Even on ships they are useful, But they can easily get shore duty anytime they want, wink, wink.
Look at how Israel billets their women soldiers,  perhaps we can copy their successes.
 

And now that theyre here, its crazy to have them adapt to some of our culture. Wheres those gays for islam college students?

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"And now that they're here, its crazy to have them adapt to some of our culture. Wheres those gays for islam college students?"

Flying off the building tops of Kabul high rises?

 

That's not just an Afghan "thing."  Fundamentalist Islamists have a pretty low opinion of women in general.  Saw that firsthand in Saudi Arabia and at Keesler AFB.  At Keesler, we had one female instructor in our computer programmer classes.  We also had 2 Saudi officers.  I commented to the Female Lt. on how impressed I was with her professionalism and patience.  If one of the Saudi's had a question, they yelled for her to come over and expected her to stop anything else she was doing -- including helping another student.  In Saudi, there's just too much to list re: the treatment of women as 2nd class citizens.

I dated a girl that used to be a flight attendant for UAE. She said the Saudi’s, especially the rich ones were some of the worst. And she grew up in Japan, in an area and family that I swear was stuck in the Samurai period.

At this point, do you really think Trump is a run-of-the-mill politician who gives a flying flip what the media, the other politicians, and the people who hate him think of him?

You haven't been paying attention. 

Not only does Trump love the military (with a few high-ranking exceptions), they love him back!

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2017/11/22/10-photos-president-trump-troops-show-hes-beloved-military-564743/

Either that or he is cold and calculating enough to make and keep such a facade. Neither would surprise me.

Either that or he is cold and calculating enough to make and keep such a facade. Neither would surprise me.

It's your story.  You can tell it whichever way makes you more comfortable.

Based on certain stories from before he was president, I tend to believe his heart is in the right place.

He gave $25,000 to a US Marine who was held 7 months in a Mexican prison for a minor crime.  He had nothing personal to gain from this, since he tried to keep this and many other acts of kindness private -- because he didn't do them for the glory.