The Jab (Read 184281 times)

eyeeatingfish

Re: The Jab
« Reply #300 on: August 30, 2021, 10:35:26 PM »
When does a liar ever have a good intention? And masks? It doesn't take a genius to figure out that very well may be the reason why we are at high infection rates. There is no standard for masks. No procedure to educate the public on proper donning of them. Simple test. Put on your everyday mask and spray some cologne. Can you smell it? How often do you touch your face since wearing a mask? Do you wash your hands before you touch your face? How about after you take off your mask - do you throw it away and get a fresh sterile one?



When does a liar have a good intention? Dr Fauci's case would be a prime example. Protect the supply for the people who most need it (doctors, front line workers etc). I would have preferred an honest explanation but I also know that the honest explanation could have come with a run on masks by people who didn't need it.

Masks are not an all or nothing measure and people need to stop treating it like it is. If one guy dies with a seatbelt on does that prove seatbelts don't work? Of course not. If masks reduced the rate of spread by even 25% then the masks would still be having some effect. Masks are just one layer in an imperfect system to try and reduce the spread. Do we know exactly how effective masks are? No but we have data to show that there is reason to believe it does help some and it is minimally intrusive. Closing businesses , closing schools, requiring vaccines, is way more intrusive than saying we have to wear a piece of cloth over our faces.

The objections to not knowing how to put on masks seems a bit of a grasp to me. Obviously if I pick my nose then put my mask on my fingers could still spread the covid, this is not an argument against masks.
And yes they did release many videos showing people how to put masks on. And no, cologne would not be a good way to test if masks are effective, that just shows a lack of understanding. Masks that filter out particulates do not catch gaseous odors, you need special types of filters to do that. I wear a P100  (better than N95) mask when I woodwork and I still smell things.

hvybarrels

Re: The Jab
« Reply #301 on: August 30, 2021, 11:12:47 PM »
Masks that are not n95 are pretty much useless.

When someone pulls out the phrase "Common Sense" it is a tell that they are lying.

Gun Grabbers and Covid Commies use it all the time when the evidence contradicts them and they are forced to fall back on pure emotional manipulation.
Stop blaming lazy people. We didn’t do anything.

eyeeatingfish

Re: The Jab
« Reply #302 on: August 31, 2021, 08:30:57 PM »
Masks that are not n95 are pretty much useless.

When someone pulls out the phrase "Common Sense" it is a tell that they are lying.

Gun Grabbers and Covid Commies use it all the time when the evidence contradicts them and they are forced to fall back on pure emotional manipulation.

Thats not what laboratory experiments show. Multiple tests showed that even just two layers of t-shirt fabric significantly reduced the water droplets which would carry the covid virus. Real world study may not find the effectiveness as high but even if masks only were 25% effective that would still be significant would it not? It would still be enough to require people to wear masks given that it is minimally invasive.

Glasser

Re: The Jab
« Reply #303 on: August 31, 2021, 08:33:01 PM »
Thats not what laboratory experiments show. Multiple tests showed that even just two layers of t-shirt fabric significantly reduced the water droplets which would carry the covid virus. Real world study may not find the effectiveness as high but even if masks only were 25% effective that would still be significant would it not? It would still be enough to require people to wear masks given that it is minimally invasive.

sorry droplets dont transfer COVID very well at all, it has to be aerosol, very different mechanism and  physics.

https://seas.yale.edu/news-events/news/aerosols-vs-droplets-transmitting-covid-19-there-s-big-difference


masks can actually make sneezing and coughing become aerosol instead of staying droplets.

Glasser

Re: The Jab
« Reply #304 on: August 31, 2021, 08:47:14 PM »
Think back to pre COVID and all the 'new rules' they invented out of thin air.


When a Doctor was worried about GIVING you an infection. How they kept viri and bacteria IN.




When a Doctor was worried about GETTING an infection from You. Keeping Viri and bacteria OUT.




very different  PPE by design and its function.

You literally need a PAPR or Positive pressure filtered fresh air supply to keep Aerosols out.

omnigun

changemyoil66

Re: The Jab
« Reply #306 on: September 01, 2021, 10:09:46 AM »
Went into a pharmacy the other day. The pharmacist was wearing a cloth mask. He saw what I was wearing (ENVO Mask) and asked how I got it and if in stock.  He's going to get 1. Guess that cloth mask he has doesn't inspire much confidence.

macsak

Re: The Jab
« Reply #307 on: September 01, 2021, 11:29:43 AM »

Glasser

Re: The Jab
« Reply #308 on: September 01, 2021, 12:05:00 PM »
What happens if the sane people stop pushing back on all the stupidity and just lean into it really hard?

If I start Tyvek-ing up and don my Full Face to go into Costco and then make a huge show of misting myself with a Hudson sprayer full of clorox before getting back in my truck do you think that will ratchet up the fear enough that the sheep will finally just say 'oh f*ck this sh*t'  and stay home 24/7 in full catatonic panic?

I have all the stuff, wont cost a dime. If we can get all those people to go hide forever then maybe the rest of us can have the world back?








Glasser

Re: The Jab
« Reply #309 on: September 01, 2021, 12:25:42 PM »
Imagine the amount of calls to the police for inciting public panic if a bunch of people  followed thru with the above scenario, imagine facing a judge that would somehow have to figure out a way to punish you for being 'too careful' when it comes to pandemic precautions....

hvybarrels

Re: The Jab
« Reply #310 on: September 01, 2021, 12:32:38 PM »
Stop blaming lazy people. We didn’t do anything.

hvybarrels

Re: The Jab
« Reply #311 on: September 02, 2021, 02:00:50 PM »
respiratory therapist who got messed up by the jab and has to take a bucket full of pills every day now

https://twitter.com/HiDearZaki2/status/1433348011212541954
Stop blaming lazy people. We didn’t do anything.

eyeeatingfish

Re: The Jab
« Reply #312 on: September 02, 2021, 10:02:07 PM »
sorry droplets dont transfer COVID very well at all, it has to be aerosol, very different mechanism and  physics.

https://seas.yale.edu/news-events/news/aerosols-vs-droplets-transmitting-covid-19-there-s-big-difference


masks can actually make sneezing and coughing become aerosol instead of staying droplets.

Some masks did this, particularly the thin dry fast type fabrics but it seems like surgical masks and even homemade cloth masks can catch some of the aerosols. This should not be discounted as any significant reduction in the amount of aerosols expelled means a reduction in the total viral load being spread out. All this else equal the higher the viral load the more likely one is to get ill. So if you could half the amount of viruses entering your body (for example) you would still be in a better position.

As the video pointed out the aerosols can stay in the air and travel farther but they also have fewer of the viruses.

eyeeatingfish

Re: The Jab
« Reply #313 on: September 02, 2021, 10:06:21 PM »
Imagine the amount of calls to the police for inciting public panic if a bunch of people  followed thru with the above scenario, imagine facing a judge that would somehow have to figure out a way to punish you for being 'too careful' when it comes to pandemic precautions....

I can't think how this would amount to any sort of crime. Inciting a public panic is not, in itself, a crime. Strapping road flares with wire and a clock would be a crime because it simulates a bomb but wearing excessive PPE would do no such thing.

People would stare, maybe someone would call police, costco might ask you to leave, but there would be no crime.

Glasser

Re: The Jab
« Reply #314 on: September 02, 2021, 10:08:23 PM »


As the video pointed out the aerosols can stay in the air and travel farther but they also have fewer of the viruses.

and the life span of virus in droplets in nothing, which is why they stopped telling you to wipe everything down with disinfectants more than a year ago. Its the build up of aerosols in confined areas over time and that exposure to high concentrations  of viri that will cause you to get infected, which is why stay home lockdowns was literally the stupidest thing ever. Also coughing and sneezing into a mask makes what would be droplets into an aerosol.

eyeeatingfish

Re: The Jab
« Reply #315 on: September 02, 2021, 10:09:29 PM »
respiratory therapist who got messed up by the jab and has to take a bucket full of pills every day now

https://twitter.com/HiDearZaki2/status/1433348011212541954

That sucks of course but the real question is whether what happened to this guy represents a greater statistical threat than covid. I know a guy who was once saved by the fact he wasn't wearing a seat belt during a car accident but it wouldn't be right to conclude that therefore we shouldn't wear seatbelts. A seatbelt could kill people but statistically it is much more likely to save you than kill you.

eyeeatingfish

Re: The Jab
« Reply #316 on: September 02, 2021, 10:13:52 PM »
and the life span of virus in droplets in nothing, which is why they stopped telling you to wipe everything down with disinfectants more than a year ago. Its the build up of aerosols in confined areas over time and that exposure to high concentrations  of viri that will cause you to get infected, which is why stay home lockdowns was literally the stupidest thing ever. Also coughing and sneezing into a mask makes what would be droplets into an aerosol.

I didn't see in the video any claim that virus lifespans in droplets were nothing, is there evidence of that somewhere else?

Even decent masks are going to reduce the aresols somewhat, but the thin dry fast type fabrics should be avoided.

hvybarrels

Re: The Jab
« Reply #317 on: September 02, 2021, 11:11:13 PM »
Nothing to see here. All is well. Move along.

Stop blaming lazy people. We didn’t do anything.

Glasser

Re: The Jab
« Reply #318 on: September 02, 2021, 11:15:28 PM »
droplets are effected by gravity, aerosols aren't. droplets last  an hr up to a couples days. depending on humidity, ambient temperature, surface type and exposure to UV.
COVID infects you  via nasal mucosa, you have to build up enough of a viral load in your nasal passages for it to take.
So maybe if someone coughs big puddles in a dark cold room and you wiped a lot of it  up and stuffed it up your nose you might contract it that way ... but that sounds like a lot of work.
it just doesnt really happen that way in the real world. They tried hard for a year to prove you could pick it up off of surfaces, but that never panned out.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The Jab
« Reply #319 on: September 02, 2021, 11:21:36 PM »
Nothing to see here. All is well. Move along.


That's just through May 1st.  In other words, that's comparing the first 4 months of 2021 (1/3 of the year) to 12-months of stats in all other years.

If we extrapolate the next 8 months from the first 4, the number in 2021 will grow from to around 10,227.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw