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Rocky

The offloading of containers "problem"
« on: October 18, 2021, 08:38:22 AM »
The NEWS says the California port situation is caused by a driver shortage.

   Not so fast:
It is in part caused by a California Truck Ban which says all trucks must be 2011 or newer and a law called AB 5 which prohibits Owner Operators.

   Traditionally the ports have been served by Owner Operators (non union).  California has now banned Owner Operators.
Long term, truckers in California are not investing in new trucks because California has a law that makes them illegal in 2035.  The requirement is to purchase electric trucks which do not exist.  :wacko:

And in the words of Paul Harvey, “Now you know the rest of the story”

BUSINESS
   CARB to begin blocking certain trucks’ DMV registrations in 2020
Carriers domiciled in California with trucks older than 2011 model, or using engines manufactured before 2010, will need to meet the Board’s new Truck and Bus Regulation beginning in 2020 or their vehicles will be blocked from registration with the state’s DMV, the state has said.

    The new “health-based requirements” will need to be met before a driver is allowed to register his or her truck through the Department of Motor Vehicles, CARB says.
A new enforcement tool used by the DMV beginning in 2020 will automatically block 2010 and older trucks from registration.

 :wtf:
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oldfart

Re: The offloading of containers "problem"
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2021, 08:49:27 AM »
Good Intel

I watch the news and wondered what was really going on.
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Inspector

Re: The offloading of containers "problem"
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2021, 08:58:14 AM »
I have some friends that told me the lack of trucks to take away the containers have caused the two ports to go from 3 shifts (24 hours a day) down to two. Mostly because there is no more room at the ports to set the containers they pull off the ships. Without enough trucks to take away the containers the ports have nowhere to put the containers. Now they tell me if the ports go back to 3 shifts as the Biden administration has asked them to do, they will have to slow down considerably, and do 2 shifts worth of work in 3 shifts. Because the real problem of not having enough trucks is not being addressed. In other words it will all be for show. And of course the cost of unloading the ships will rise and that will make the cost of landing the goods even higher. Inflation at its finest.

The media will spin this as Biden is a hero while inflation continues to rise as the bottleneck will continue.

Let’s Go Branden!!!  :thumbsup:
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drck1000

Re: The offloading of containers "problem"
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2021, 08:58:36 AM »
I have a number of folks I work with that do a lot of work with the CA ports, particularly the Port of Long Beach.  They've noted this for months.  Not really in the news.  Things that make you go :hmm:

I flew into LB Airport about 2 weeks ago and saw a LOT of container ships just outside the harbor.  It was crazy!

I had heard from some folks in the Anaheim area that attributed the slow down to longshoremen and other dock services, as well as that the cargo ships carry a lot more containers than previously.  Anyways, bottom line was that supply is available, but the receiving distribution system is the bottle neck.  Not only for consumer goods, but also causing premiums in construction/building materials, which is why I (or my team) have been looking into this. 
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RSN172

Re: The offloading of containers "problem"
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2021, 09:05:28 AM »
Unfortunately,  CA stupid laws and regulations affects what happens to the rest of the country. This is because of the size of their economy and the huge ports in Oakland, LA and Long Beach.
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hvybarrels

Re: The offloading of containers "problem"
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2021, 09:17:20 AM »
On the bright side when things get bad enough we might finally get the Jones act repealed
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Jl808

Re: The offloading of containers "problem"
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2021, 09:34:22 AM »
Food supply shortage will be their next leverage / tool to force states to comply. 

Shortages will also be their excuse / cover story for the when the government addiction to printing of money causes the price of everything to go up.
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changemyoil66

Re: The offloading of containers "problem"
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2021, 09:46:15 AM »
I'm gonna assume this was created due to their fight on global warming .  Newer trucks have better emissions.
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omnigun

Re: The offloading of containers "problem"
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2021, 10:00:06 AM »
Quote from: Jl808 on October 18, 2021, 09:34:22 AM
Food supply shortage will be their next leverage / tool to force states to comply. 

Shortages will also be their excuse / cover story for the when the government addiction to printing of money causes the price of everything to go up.

Baseless conspiracy.  IF anything Hawaii is one of the most complaint state with covid restrictions...
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omnigun

Re: The offloading of containers "problem"
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2021, 10:00:35 AM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on October 18, 2021, 09:17:20 AM
On the bright side when things get bad enough we might finally get the Jones act repealed

This is a good idea,  repeal the useless act.
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drck1000

Re: The offloading of containers "problem"
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2021, 10:03:56 AM »
Quote from: Jl808 on October 18, 2021, 09:34:22 AM
Food supply shortage will be their next leverage / tool to force states to comply. 

Shortages will also be their excuse / cover story for the when the government addiction to printing of money causes the price of everything to go up.
Food?  TP is the new SHTF commodity. . .  :rofl:
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changemyoil66

Re: The offloading of containers "problem"
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2021, 10:17:17 AM »
Quote from: drck1000 on October 18, 2021, 10:03:56 AM
Food?  TP is the new SHTF commodity. . .  :rofl:

Me too pake, if TP runs out, use shower.  Will trade TP for ammo.
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changemyoil66

Re: The offloading of containers "problem"
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2021, 10:19:07 AM »
Quote from: Jl808 on October 18, 2021, 09:34:22 AM
Food supply shortage will be their next leverage / tool to force states to comply. 

Shortages will also be their excuse / cover story for the when the government addiction to printing of money causes the price of everything to go up.

I went to Target last night. Their produce section was 80% empty.  Laundry detergent also 80% empty.  On average, store was about 20%ish empty.  Which is way more than normal. I asked when X product will come in and the girl didn't know. She had her scanner thing to track the items. So not like she was just lazy and shrugged her shoulders, like how Walmart Keeaumoku does.

Parents went to Safeway yesterday and shelves and produce all full.
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ren

Re: The offloading of containers "problem"
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2021, 10:20:04 AM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on October 18, 2021, 10:17:17 AM
Me too pake, if TP runs out, use shower.  Will trade TP for ammo.

I think CostedCo did an AAR and now they have TP stocked not only in the usual place in the back but also in the aisles of frozen food (because TP is priority). This was in Iwilei this past week.
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Inspector

Re: The offloading of containers "problem"
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2021, 10:25:13 AM »
Quote from: ren on October 18, 2021, 10:20:04 AM
I think CostedCo did an AAR and now they have TP stocked not only in the usual place in the back but also in the aisles of frozen food (because TP is priority). This was in Iwilei this past week.
My Costco out here has not had Kirkland TP and PT now for the last 3 weeks. But they had name brand TP and PT still. But it is apparent there is a run/shortage happening again.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: The offloading of containers "problem"
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2021, 10:38:58 AM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on October 18, 2021, 09:17:20 AM
On the bright side when things get bad enough we might finally get the Jones act repealed

That's just crazy talk!   :crazy:

You know better than to expect a logical reaction from the Left -- or Congress -- or Biden.
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Rocky

Re: The offloading of containers "problem"
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2021, 10:43:51 AM »
Quote from: Inspector on October 18, 2021, 08:58:14 AM
I have some friends that told me the lack of trucks to take away the containers have caused the two ports to go from 3 shifts (24 hours a day) down to two. Mostly because there is no more room at the ports to set the containers they pull off the ships. Without enough trucks to take away the containers the ports have nowhere to put the containers. Now they tell me if the ports go back to 3 shifts as the Biden administration has asked them to do, they will have to slow down considerably, and do 2 shifts worth of work in 3 shifts. Because the real problem of not having enough trucks is not being addressed. In other words it will all be for show. And of course the cost of unloading the ships will rise and that will make the cost of landing the goods even higher. Inflation at its finest.

The media will spin this as Biden is a hero while inflation continues to rise as the bottleneck will continue.

Let’s Go BrandenBRANDON!!!  :thumbsup:
FIFY  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 :wave:
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: The offloading of containers "problem"
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2021, 10:49:09 AM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on October 18, 2021, 09:46:15 AM
I'm gonna assume this was created due to their fight on global warming .  Newer trucks have better emissions.

In 2019, CA governor signed into law the AB5 bill, which prohibits "independent Contractors" (IC's) from doing business in the state unless they basically perform work not routinely part of the hiring company's normal business.  So, if a transportation company that ships produce needs drivers, they have to HIRE the truckers as employees.  Can't hire independent truckers to do the job they need doing.  They can, however, hire accounts and marketing people, since those are not services the business sells to the public.

It's not JUST a union thing.  It's also a tax thing.  IC's don't pay all the taxes a business does on its employees.  As IC's, they operate as a separate entity, and they aren't going to pay the taxes (or adhere to health mandates which a business with X employees would).  So, in cases of Worker's Comp Insurance, all the payroll taxes and deductions required of the employer, and other regulations a business must abide by that IC's don't, the state decided to put a stranglehold on as many IC's as possible.

I've heard it also caused havoc for the media industry, since most news agencies get their source material from IC's -- and news is their primary business.
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Rocky

Re: The offloading of containers "problem"
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2021, 10:50:33 AM »
Quote from: drck1000 on October 18, 2021, 10:03:56 AM
Food?  TP is the new SHTF commodity. . .  :rofl:
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drck1000

Re: The offloading of containers "problem"
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2021, 10:51:10 AM »
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