Ukraine vs. Russia (Read 362242 times)

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1360 on: June 25, 2024, 11:07:46 PM »
Who is "we?" 

If we were staging US forces inside Ukraine manning offensive missiles under US control, maybe you'd have a point. 

Providing military and financial aid to assist in the Ukrainian war effort is different.

Yeah, we shouldn't be doing either, but I don't think "we" are launching missiles at Russia.



Vlad doesn't buy your logic, and pretty much all of Hawaii is a military target.

If you dissolve your enemies in acid, technically that's turning your problems into a solution.

QUIETShooter

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1361 on: June 26, 2024, 03:19:59 AM »
North Korea has entered the fray.

Poor North Korean troops. 

Pawns for Putin while North Korea's dick-tater gets fatter eating steak and lobster.  The only fatso in all of North Korea besides a couple of his cronies.

WW3 just around the corner. :wave:
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1362 on: June 26, 2024, 08:07:27 AM »
North Korea has entered the fray.

Poor North Korean troops. 

Pawns for Putin while North Korea's dick-tater gets fatter eating steak and lobster.  The only fatso in all of North Korea besides a couple of his cronies.

WW3 just around the corner. :wave:

N.Korea is going to have to be very selective on who they send as these troops will get to experience the modern world.  Can't wait for the 1st Russian to show them on their phone Phub. "welcome to the internet".

QUIETShooter

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1363 on: June 26, 2024, 08:15:02 AM »
N.Korea is going to have to be very selective on who they send as these troops will get to experience the modern world.  Can't wait for the 1st Russian to show them on their phone Phub. "welcome to the internet".

Wacking off on the front lines of Donetsk.  What a way to go.

Actually might be a better way to go than stay in North Korea.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1364 on: June 26, 2024, 08:37:18 AM »
So if we can drop American bombs on Russian beaches, doesn't that mean Waikiki is fair game for retaliation?

It's clear that they are trying to start WW3 in order to cancel the election. This insanity needs to end.
The US empire knows that Trump will probably win the 2024 presidential election and will put a huge roadblock on the plans to continue the proxy war against Russia and the start-up of a new proxy war with China.  Unfortunately, the plans for WWIII have already been decided by the Power Okole and Trump better use his own private security 24/7 from now on and throughout his next term in office.

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1365 on: June 26, 2024, 08:46:12 AM »
Who is "we?" 

If we were staging US forces inside Ukraine manning offensive missiles under US control, maybe you'd have a point. 

Providing military and financial aid to assist in the Ukrainian war effort is different.

Yeah, we shouldn't be doing either, but I don't think "we" are launching missiles at Russia.
Flapp, if you think the already decimated trained to NATO standards Ukrainian army is behind the missiles currently used against Russia, you are insulting your own intelligence.  Yes, the person pressing the missile launch button must be Ukrainian, but all of the intelligence gathering and targeting does use US imperial satellites / GPS.

Since there is no way the US empire will allow the Ukrainians to access and use those systems freely, it is most surely US imperial military personnel that are doing those tasks prior to the proxy Ukrainian pressing the launch button.  Hence, based on this reality, the US empire is indeed just as responsible for any Ukrainian missile launch on the sovereign territories of Russia.

changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1366 on: June 26, 2024, 08:55:10 AM »
.  Yes, the person pressing the missile launch button must be Ukrainian, but all of the intelligence gathering and targeting does use US imperial satellites / GPS.



U left out spook's too.

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1367 on: June 26, 2024, 09:01:49 AM »
North Korea has entered the fray.

Poor North Korean troops.
How about the poor Ukrainians that have and are being genocided for the US empire's proxy war against Russia?

Far worse to come, how about the poor Chinese in Taiwan and the Filipinos that are about to begin their own genocide as moronically being manipulated to opening a new US imperial proxy war against China?

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1368 on: June 26, 2024, 09:07:58 AM »
Vlad doesn't buy your logic, and pretty much all of Hawaii is a military target.
Definitely time for the total de-occupation by the US empire and restoration of the Hawaiian nation state.   :shaka:

changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1369 on: June 26, 2024, 09:08:44 AM »
How about the poor Ukrainians that have and are being genocided for the US empire's proxy war against Russia?

Far worse to come, how about the poor Chinese in Taiwan and the Filipinos that are about to begin their own genocide as moronically being manipulated to opening a new US imperial proxy war against China?

China won't invade Taiwan. It will cost them way too much money.

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1370 on: June 26, 2024, 09:12:08 AM »
China won't invade Taiwan. It will cost them way too much money.
Totally agree, as China does not want war, but the US empire wants it.

Any declaration of independence by Taiwan and/or training/garrisoning of US imperial military personnel and missiles of significant size in Taiwan will trigger China's bottom line and war.

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changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1371 on: June 26, 2024, 09:42:31 AM »
Totally agree, as China does not want war, but the US empire wants it.

Any declaration of independence by Taiwan and/or training/garrisoning of US imperial military personnel and missiles of significant size in Taiwan will trigger China's bottom line and war.

Taiwan has already declared themselves independent of the CCP/China for many years now. "War maneuvers" have also been happening for many years now as well in the area.

The US won't garrison a large amount of troops in Taiwan either because if China were to attack, missiles can do a lot of damage to said garrisoned troops. So the US would first reduce this risk of this, then put boots on the ground.

macsak

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1372 on: June 26, 2024, 09:50:41 AM »
https://www.google.com/search?q=is+genocided+a+word

How about the poor Ukrainians that have and are being genocided for the US empire's proxy war against Russia?

Far worse to come, how about the poor Chinese in Taiwan and the Filipinos that are about to begin their own genocide as moronically being manipulated to opening a new US imperial proxy war against China?

macsak

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1373 on: June 26, 2024, 09:52:47 AM »
U left out spook's too.

Quote from: Kuleana on Today at 08:46:12 AM
.  Yes, the person pressing the missile launch button must be Ukrainian, but all of the intelligence gathering and targeting does use US imperial satellites / GPS.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1374 on: June 26, 2024, 09:53:00 AM »
Flapp, if you think the already decimated trained to NATO standards Ukrainian army is behind the missiles currently used against Russia, you are insulting your own intelligence.  Yes, the person pressing the missile launch button must be Ukrainian, but all of the intelligence gathering and targeting does use US imperial satellites / GPS.

Since there is no way the US empire will allow the Ukrainians to access and use those systems freely, it is most surely US imperial military personnel that are doing those tasks prior to the proxy Ukrainian pressing the launch button.  Hence, based on this reality, the US empire is indeed just as responsible for any Ukrainian missile launch on the sovereign territories of Russia.

Based on my personal experience working alongside foreign nationals in a foreign Middle Eastern country, even when the US is training the other nation's military using our own weapons systems and platforms until they can acquire their own, there's aways at least one liaison from the host nation who has the final word on whether or not they can engage, much like we did in Korea and Vietnam.   

No sovereign nation is going to risk allowing the US to run the show when the consequences to international relations and security can be catastrophic.

I was part of the ELF-ONE training mission in Saudi Arabia before the first Gulf War.  Our AWACS missions aways had a liaison aboard in contact with his chain of command dictating to our units where and how we were allowed to operate. 

If you want to pretend you insulting my intelligence is actually me doing it, then you're the one insulting your own intelligence.

Maybe get some personal military experience operating in foreign countries before making sh#t up.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1375 on: June 26, 2024, 09:53:48 AM »
Taiwan has already declared themselves independent of the CCP/China for many years now.
The Republic of China is not recognized as an independent sovereign nation.  It has no seat in the UN and no official embassy even in the US empire.  Although the US empire behaves to the contrary, it still has the One-China Policy on its books.  Hence, it is not a legal sovereign nation in the eyes of the World.



The US won't garrison a large amount of troops in Taiwan either because if China were to attack, missiles can do a lot of damage to said garrisoned troops. So the US would first reduce this risk of this, then put boots on the ground.
First, the US empire will not be able to reduce the missile threats of China.

Second, the US empire would not be able to send any troops to China as any ships or planes will not make it there due to hypersonic weaponry and the advancement of drone warfare.

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1376 on: June 26, 2024, 10:02:33 AM »
Based on my personal experience working alongside foreign nationals in a foreign Middle Eastern country, even when the US is training the other nation's military using our own weapons systems and platforms until they can acquire their own, there's aways at least one liaison from the host nation who has the final word on whether or not they can engage, much like we did in Korea and Vietnam.   

No sovereign nation is going to risk allowing the US to run the show when the consequences to international relations and security can be catastrophic.

I was part of the ELF-ONE training mission in Saudi Arabia before the first Gulf War.  Our AWACS missions aways had a liaison aboard in contact with his chain of command dictating to our units where and how we were allowed to operate. 

If you want to pretend you insulting my intelligence is actually me doing it, then you're the one insulting your own intelligence.

Maybe get some personal military experience operating in foreign countries before making sh#t up.
First of all, I think it is safe to say that most Russians hate the US empire; hence, I don't think there are or will be in the near future any real benevolent diplomatic relations between the US empire and Russia.

Second, I don't make shit up as I also know and consult a number of people who served in the US imperial military in varying capacities.  Hence, are you saying Ukrainians have security clearance and can freely access US imperial satellites and GPS to assist in their targeting of US imperial supplied missiles against Russia?

macsak

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1377 on: June 26, 2024, 10:08:46 AM »
please explain how the US will conduct a proxy war with china without it going nuclear?

The US empire knows that Trump will probably win the 2024 presidential election and will put a huge roadblock on the plans to continue the proxy war against Russia and the start-up of a new proxy war with China.  Unfortunately, the plans for WWIII have already been decided by the Power Okole and Trump better use his own private security 24/7 from now on and throughout his next term in office.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1378 on: June 26, 2024, 10:16:05 AM »
First of all, I think it is safe to say that most Russians hate the US empire; hence, I don't think there are or will be in the near future any real benevolent diplomatic relations between the US empire and Russia.

Second, I don't make shit up as I also know and consult a number of people who served in the US imperial military in varying capacities.  Hence, are you saying Ukrainians have security clearance and can freely access US imperial satellites and GPS to assist in their targeting of US imperial supplied missiles against Russia?

Actually, we have two "versions" of classifications:  That which can be released to foreign nationals and that which cannot be released without specific guidance.  We call the latter "NOFORN".  Most information I handled on a daily basis was marked SECRET/NOFORN by default.

There are also two types of access for foreign nationals: we can either allow access (they can look and touch but not keep) versus dissemination (they are free to copy or keep the material or equipment).  Most times in a mixed US/Foreign environment, the foreign nationals do have proper security clearance, but they are not granted permission to keep (and potentially compromise) what they see or use.

I'd recommend having this explained to you by your consultants in more detail if you have specific questions about how this actually works in the real world.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1379 on: June 26, 2024, 10:20:07 AM »
Quote from: Kuleana on Today at 08:46:12 AM
.  Yes, the person pressing the missile launch button must be Ukrainian, but all of the intelligence gathering and targeting does use US imperial satellites / GPS.

Spook's doesn't' mean satellites.