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QUIETShooter

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1640 on: November 22, 2024, 08:12:08 PM »
Quote from: ren on November 22, 2024, 06:20:20 PM


This is just my opinion but at 4:50 of the video the explanation as to why we are where we are at today is something I also happen to agree on.

This war could have been averted.  But I knew way before biden took office that this bozo of a POTUS has the worst diplomatic foreign policy record in the history of mankind.

No Diplomatic. Skills. Whatsoever. :grrr:
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1641 on: November 22, 2024, 08:24:30 PM »
Quote from: QUIETShooter on November 22, 2024, 08:12:08 PM
This is just my opinion but at 4:50 of the video the explanation as to why we are where we are at today is something I also happen to agree on.

This war could have been averted.  But I knew way before biden took office that this bozo of a POTUS has the worst diplomatic foreign policy record in the history of mankind.

No Diplomatic. Skills. Whatsoever. :grrr:


Why Biden can't seem to keep the US on an even keel internationally is no surprise
to anyone who's been following his career for HALF A FREAKING CENTURY!

Robert Gates Thinks Joe Biden Hasn't
Stopped Being Wrong for 40 Years

January 7, 2014
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"I think he has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and
national security issue over the past four decades,” former Defense
Secretary Robert Gates says of Vice President Joe Biden in his new
book coming out later this month.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/robert-gates-thinks-joe-biden-hasn-39-t-212615128.html


Biden’s Long Trail of Betrayals
Why is the president so consistently wrong on major foreign-policy matters?

August 18, 2021
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“I’m getting sick and tired of hearing about morality, our moral obligation,”
Joe Biden said in 1975. “There’s a point where you are incapable of
meeting moral obligations that exist worldwide.” At the time, he was
arguing against U.S. aid to Cambodia. But he could just as easily have
said the same about his decision this year to end the American presence
in Afghanistan, a catastrophic mistake that has led to a Taliban takeover,
undermined our national interest, and morally stained Biden’s presidency.

It is the latest blunder in a foreign-policy record filled with them.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/08/biden-afghanistan-record/619799/
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
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Jaco808

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1642 on: November 23, 2024, 11:46:55 AM »
Quote from: QUIETShooter on November 22, 2024, 08:12:08 PM
This is just my opinion but at 4:50 of the video the explanation as to why we are where we are at today is something I also happen to agree on.

This war could have been averted.  But I knew way before biden took office that this bozo of a POTUS has the worst diplomatic foreign policy record in the history of mankind.

No Diplomatic. Skills. Whatsoever. :grrr:


I disagree the war started during obama's time.   Trump didn't arm Ukraine enough and Biden made the wrong call to not arm them enough too.  Hope trump doesn't make the same mistake on Taiwan.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1643 on: November 23, 2024, 12:07:00 PM »
Quote from: Jaco808 on November 23, 2024, 11:46:55 AM

I disagree the war started during obama's time.   Trump didn't arm Ukraine enough and Biden made the wrong call to not arm them enough too.  Hope trump doesn't make the same mistake on Taiwan.

And Biden was nowhere to be found during "Obama's time?"

Oh, wait!  Biden was Obama's VP who was involved in Ukraine's dealings enough to extort the president there to fire the prosecutor who was looking into Barisma's crooked business practices -- the energy company paying Biden's son a million bucks a year for his complete lack of knowledge in the energy field.  BTW, that salary was cut in half 2 months after Biden's term ended and he announced he was not running for president.  Go figure.

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The Ukrainian energy company that was paying President Biden’s son Hunter
$1 million a year cut his monthly compensation in half two months after his father
ceased to be vice president.

From May 2014, Burisma Holdings Ltd. was paying Hunter $83,333 a month
to sit on its board, invoices on his abandoned laptop show.

But in an email on March 19, 2017, Burisma executive Vadym Pozharskyi asked
Hunter to sign a new director’s agreement and informed him “the only thing that
was amended is the compensation rate.”
https://nypost.com/2021/05/26/hunter-bidens-ukraine-salary-was-cut-after-joe-biden-left-office/

https://www.youtube.com/live/Q0_AqpdwqK4

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/09/27/flashback_2018_joe_biden_brags_at_cfr_meeting_about_withholding_aid_to_ukraine_to_force_firing_of_prosecutor.html
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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rpoL98

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1644 on: November 23, 2024, 08:27:50 PM »
Quote from: QUIETShooter on November 22, 2024, 08:12:08 PM
This is just my opinion but at 4:50 of the video the explanation as to why we are where we are at today is something I also happen to agree on.

This war could have been averted.  But I knew way before biden took office that this bozo of a POTUS has the worst diplomatic foreign policy record in the history of mankind.

No Diplomatic. Skills. Whatsoever. :grrr:
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1645 on: November 23, 2024, 08:44:55 PM »
Quote from: rpoL98 on November 23, 2024, 08:27:50 PM


That's not far off.  When George W. Bush beat Al Gore in 2000, not only did Hillary try to swipe about half a million bucks of WH property funded by tax payers (she wound up returning most of it), but the Bill Clinton administration removed the "W" key from all the keyboards -- also tax funded government equipment.

What Biden and his handlers are apparently doing is much worse.  They are throwing the country into turmoil during his lame duck period either to make Biden's tenure look less horrible or to give the voters a final one-finger salute as they leave. 

Ideally, anything Biden does from now own needs to be coordinated with Trump.  Trump is not just a president-elect.  He is also a former president and Biden's predecessor.  Any major policy or national security decisions should be jointly decided so Trump doesn't walk into the situation cold.

In a perfect world, we wouldn't be suspecting the Democrats of being whiny babies throwing tantrums for not getting their way.  But we do have WH precedents.And X, And Facebook, and TikTok.  And Instagram.  And youTube.  ...
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Jaco808

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1646 on: November 28, 2024, 02:09:48 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on November 23, 2024, 12:07:00 PM
And Biden was nowhere to be found during "Obama's time?"

Oh, wait!  Biden was Obama's VP who was involved in Ukraine's dealings enough to extort the president there to fire the prosecutor who was looking into Barisma's crooked business practices -- the energy company paying Biden's son a million bucks a year for his complete lack of knowledge in the energy field.  BTW, that salary was cut in half 2 months after Biden's term ended and he announced he was not running for president.  Go figure.
https://nypost.com/2021/05/26/hunter-bidens-ukraine-salary-was-cut-after-joe-biden-left-office/

https://www.youtube.com/live/Q0_AqpdwqK4

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/09/27/flashback_2018_joe_biden_brags_at_cfr_meeting_about_withholding_aid_to_ukraine_to_force_firing_of_prosecutor.html

Crazy conspiracies.   If you believe all of that can't wait till you complain about the saudi's and Jarad. And all the dealings Trump did with China and Russia and people staying in his hotels. 
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QUIETShooter

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1647 on: November 28, 2024, 02:26:24 PM »
Quote from: Jaco808 on November 28, 2024, 02:09:48 PM
Crazy conspiracies.   If you believe all of that can't wait till you complain about the saudi's and Jarad. And all the dealings Trump did with China and Russia and people staying in his hotels.

Hope you have a great Thanksgiving Holiday.
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hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1648 on: November 28, 2024, 02:46:19 PM »
If we're running out of powder because we sent it all to Ukraine, what is our military going to use when China goes for Taiwan? Slingshots?

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macsak

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1649 on: November 28, 2024, 02:52:16 PM »
so it's wrong us to talk about conspiracy theories about the bidens, but ok for you to talk about conspiracy theories about trump?
goalposts moved...

Quote from: Jaco808 on November 28, 2024, 02:09:48 PM
Crazy conspiracies.   If you believe all of that can't wait till you complain about the saudi's and Jarad. And all the dealings Trump did with China and Russia and people staying in his hotels.
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macsak

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1650 on: November 28, 2024, 02:53:05 PM »
harsh language...

Quote from: hvybarrels on November 28, 2024, 02:46:19 PM
If we're running out of powder because we sent it all to Ukraine, what is our military going to use when China goes for Taiwan? Slingshots?


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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1651 on: November 28, 2024, 03:01:26 PM »
Quote from: Jaco808 on November 28, 2024, 02:09:48 PM
Crazy conspiracies.   If you believe all of that can't wait till you complain about the saudi's and Jarad. And all the dealings Trump did with China and Russia and people staying in his hotels.

You're a moron.  Biden is on that video bragging about withholding loan guarantees unless they fire the prosecutor -- which happened within hours of the threat.  One thing you did get right -- it's a conspiracy, and not a theory.  Facts, not speculation.

It's a matter of fact and record who was paying Hunter millions to be on an energy company board of directors, even though he had zero energy sector experience or contacts.  The only useful contact he had for his employer was daddy Joe -- aka The Big Guy.

None of the people you mentioned are telling those countries' leaders who they have to fire in order to get US-funded assistance.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Jl808

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1652 on: November 28, 2024, 03:48:19 PM »
Quote from: macsak on November 28, 2024, 02:53:05 PM
harsh language...
Just don’t.


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ren

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1653 on: November 28, 2024, 06:27:10 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on November 28, 2024, 02:46:19 PM
If we're running out of powder because we sent it all to Ukraine, what is our military going to use when China goes for Taiwan? Slingshots?



slingshots ordered through Temu
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rpoL98

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1654 on: November 29, 2024, 04:20:12 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on November 28, 2024, 02:46:19 PM
If we're running out of powder because we sent it all to Ukraine, what is our military going to use when China goes for Taiwan? Slingshots?


the usual "sternly-worded letter, followed by economic sanctions, and then more economic sanctions.
oh wait, those don't work.

Not going to get a UN resolution since China is a veto-member.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1655 on: November 30, 2024, 03:09:47 PM »
Ukraine President Zelenskyy spoke with President-elect Trump.  He said he's willing to cede land to Russia in exchange for NATO inviting Ukraine into their membership.

Sounds like a compromise in the making. 

Biden sends Ukraine missiles and gives permission to use them to strike targets inside of Russia.  If Trump can negotiate peace before his inauguration for a war that's lasted over 1,000 days, it would drive home the reason America once again trusts him to lead us.

Stay tuned.  Nothing's over until it's over.

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1656 on: December 01, 2024, 05:35:25 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on November 30, 2024, 03:09:47 PM
Ukraine President Zelenskyy spoke with President-elect Trump.  He said he's willing to cede land to Russia in exchange for NATO inviting Ukraine into their membership.
That US imperial puppet needs to go back to his handlers and get better terms.

One of the Russian objectives of the Ukrainian war was to prevent Ukraine from being a part of NATO and having US imperial missiles within an earshot of Moscow.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1657 on: December 01, 2024, 06:02:21 PM »
Quote from: Kuleana on December 01, 2024, 05:35:25 PM
That US imperial puppet needs to go back to his handlers and get better terms.

One of the Russian objectives of the Ukrainian war was to prevent Ukraine from being a part of NATO and having US imperial missiles within an earshot of Moscow.

Have you mentioned this to Zelenskyy?  You must know more about the conflict than he does.

i hate having to repeat myself.  Putin is less concerned about NATO than with Ukraine joining the EU.  NATO requires resources to support the collective military forces of NATO.  EU is more of a threat to Russia economically -- a long-term problem for Putin.

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=44573.msg492860;topicseen#msg492860
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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ren

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1658 on: December 01, 2024, 06:22:44 PM »
Quote from: Kuleana on December 01, 2024, 05:35:25 PM
That US imperial puppet needs to go back to his handlers and get better terms.

One of the Russian objectives of the Ukrainian war was to prevent Ukraine from being a part of NATO and having US imperial missiles within an earshot of Moscow.

Where did you find Russian objectives?
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1659 on: December 01, 2024, 06:41:17 PM »
Quote from: ren on December 01, 2024, 06:22:44 PM
Where did you find Russian objectives?

The ICBM silos on Oahu have detailed files on all our enemies.
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Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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