Really?  It was always my understanding that the ATF requires airsoft gun makers design them in a way that prevents fire control components from real guns from working in them.  That way, someone can't convert an airsoft gun from airsoft to actual firearm by swapping some of the parts out.

So, if the parts in question are cross-compatible between airsoft and "real" Glocks, the ATF should not be going after the buyers, but the airsoft company or distributors.

That's probably why they didn't arrest him.  They had no evidence he intended to convert, or sell to others wanting to convert, a real Glock to full auto.

Where did you see the parts are cross-compatible?  Was that in an article?  The linked article doesn't use the word "airsoft" at all.

I'm sure they went after the maker because they had a list of who purchased them and in how much quantity.  I didn't ask about what his intent was or what the online posting said. As that is none of my business.

It could have been another "picture hanger" situation from Wish.

I'm sure they went after the maker because they had a list of who purchased them and in how much quantity.  I didn't ask about what his intent was or what the online posting said. As that is none of my business.

It could have been another "picture hanger" situation from Wish.

You're talking about the maker of the part.

I'm talking about the maker of the airsoft gun that (supposedly) allows their product to accept parts that transform real Glocks to full-auto.

If the part works in a real Glock, it should NOT be sold for, or even work in, airsoft guns, too. 

You're talking about the maker of the part.

I'm talking about the maker of the airsoft gun that (supposedly) allows their product to accept parts that transform real Glocks to full-auto.

If the part works in a real Glock, it should NOT be sold for, or even work in, airsoft guns, too.

I understand. That info IDK about the brand of airsoft he had it installed on.

the article did not explain the whole process to print a part. The settings and the material to print with are CRUCIAL pieces of information to produce a viable part of ANYTHING. If a user doesn't have the knowledge or experience all the user will have is a blob of molten plastic.

The increased ease of getting a firearm through automated machining and printing does worry me, it definitely makes obtaining a firearm by a prohibited person easier. I think we shouldn't ignore that aspect of this issue.

There should be no such thing as a “prohibited person” in the first place. You are either trusted to be in society or not. The 2nd amendment says “right if the people” not “the right of whoever the government deems appropriate”.

the article did not explain the whole process to print a part. The settings and the material to print with are CRUCIAL pieces of information to produce a viable part of ANYTHING. If a user doesn't have the knowledge or experience all the user will have is a blob of molten plastic.

That's irrelevant to the intended audience. It's fear mongering to make everything firearm related illegal.

the article did not explain the whole process to print a part. The settings and the material to print with are CRUCIAL pieces of information to produce a viable part of ANYTHING. If a user doesn't have the knowledge or experience all the user will have is a blob of molten plastic.

Theyre trying to make like all u do is double click the file and hit print. Do we expect anything less from anti gunners/government?

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You can easily download instructions on how to make a machine gun from scratch on the internet.   Not going be accurate because you will be shooting out of a plain steel tube, but going be full auto.

I'm not acting. I did not say all people who worry are ignorant. Making a firearm is more involved than what you described. Someone needs to have the knowledge and skill to operate the automated machinery. A DIY firearm like a :ghost gun" will cost more than one produced by a factory.

This is all true but like I pointed out there are other reasons to still be concerned about ghost guns.

You're thinking like someone who is trying to remain a law abiding citizen. Think like a criminal. Why would 1 spend $800 plus time, effort and tools for a gun they may have to toss in the bushes when being chased by cops.  When they could spend $200 and toss it with less financial worry.  Then add in that factory guns are usually more reliable. 

Now say the criminal doesn't make it himself and saves on the time and effort, as HPD stated it cost them $800. Which means if someone else is making it, there will be a mark up. So a $800 gun will now cost probably $1400 because why go thru such risk for a $100 per gun profit if it's sold at $900.  Same reason why a gun that killed someone cost way less than a gun that didn't on the black market. VICE had a docu about these types of clean vs. murder guns. Basically, murder guns cost less than $100.

I disagree. The likelihood of being caught is a significant factor in the minds of criminals. If I can spend a little more and reduce the risk of getting caught I would take it.

I rather doubt criminals are that concerned with reliability of the firearms they get.

I think that murder guns have a low price because no one wants to be carrying one that could be associated with a murder weapon. Low demand = lower price. I think this proves my earlier point, the additional price is worth the reduced risk of being caught.

There should be no such thing as a “prohibited person” in the first place. You are either trusted to be in society or not. The 2nd amendment says “right if the people” not “the right of whoever the government deems appropriate”.

So people locked up in jails should be allowed to have firearms? (Or do you not qualify them as people while imprisoned?)

This is all true but like I pointed out there are other reasons to still be concerned about ghost guns.

What other reasons?

I disagree. The likelihood of being caught is a significant factor in the minds of criminals. If I can spend a little more and reduce the risk of getting caught I would take it.

I rather doubt criminals are that concerned with reliability of the firearms they get.

I think that murder guns have a low price because no one wants to be carrying one that could be associated with a murder weapon. Low demand = lower price. I think this proves my earlier point, the additional price is worth the reduced risk of being caught.

What's a "murder gun"?

This is all true but like I pointed out there are other reasons to still be concerned about ghost guns.

Concerned how?

Does a ghost gun kill more people than a stolen, legally purchased, or gifted firearm?

Are the people getting or making ghost guns without the means to obtain guns otherwise?

Are other avenues of obtaining guns that much more difficult than getting a ghost gun?

If the government (Hawaii) didn't require full registration for all guns upon transfer, would laws against ghost guns even be enforceable?

So people locked up in jails should be allowed to have firearms? (Or do you not qualify them as people while imprisoned?)

Prisoners do not have full rights.

Prisoners do not have full rights.

You don't have to answer. He's obviously frustrated that anyone who's not a cop still has gun rights, is not making any progress trying to convince us to give them up, and has resorted to just being silly.

Prisoners do not have full rights.

And to add, can a prisoner vote or have the 4th amendment (shake downs).  Or how about the 1a and protest when ever they please. Rhetorical of course.

Side note, a HI guy indited for being a felon and having ammo. No charge for his "ghost gun" or AR15 "parts".  Yet AG Connors feels the need to mention ghost guns, even though no charges filed for that and being a felon.

What other reasons?

I already gave those reasons. It is an additional avenue to obtain a firearm by people who would otherwise have more difficulty in obtaining a firearm.

What's a "murder gun"?

Ask CMO

Concerned how?

Does a ghost gun kill more people than a stolen, legally purchased, or gifted firearm?

Are the people getting or making ghost guns without the means to obtain guns otherwise?

Are other avenues of obtaining guns that much more difficult than getting a ghost gun?

If the government (Hawaii) didn't require full registration for all guns upon transfer, would laws against ghost guns even be enforceable?

I would argue that making a ghost gun is quite a bit easier than getting a black market gun.

Prisoners do not have full rights.

So are you of the position that once someone is released from prison that they should have full rights restored, including the right to own firearms, vote, etc?

Plus, there are many other examples where individuals can have rights restricted without actually being in prison including age, nationality, mental faculties, etc.

I would argue that making a ghost gun is quite a bit easier than getting a black market gun.

It all depends on if the person is good with their hands or not. Like if someone can wood craft mediocrally (IDK if this is a word)  at a minimum, then they should have no issue making a P80 and have it function correctly.

This is the reason why I never attempted to make a P80, even though legal at the time, because I'm not good with my hands. The most I can do is change my oil and car battery. Everything else is above my pay grade.  So if I were to make 1, it would most likely jam often or come out lop sided.

So I agree that to you, making a P80 is easier than getting a black market gun, especially since someone you would be buying it from knows what you do for a living and probably won't sell you a black market gun.