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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #220 on: August 02, 2024, 11:00:09 AM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on August 02, 2024, 10:05:08 AM
Now is a good time to figure out which side you are on if you don't want to end up in an internment camp.

Why?  All the cool kids will be in the camp, too!
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #221 on: August 03, 2024, 03:54:30 PM »
Here's what the FBI and Secret Service say they know so far.

What I have seen reported through more than one source is that the Secret Service saw the shooter piggyback among their vehicles to get into the secured area.  One vehicle communicated with others pointing out that a strange person entered with them, yet nobody did a damned thing about it -- not even a simple call to local LE to check the person out.

That's apparently been verified through the slow but critical report of all communications made that day between security personnel.  Yet, it didn't make it into the "timeline" briefed to Congress.

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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hvybarrels

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #222 on: August 04, 2024, 03:06:10 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on August 02, 2024, 11:00:09 AM
Why?  All the cool kids will be in the camp, too!

The people who publicly express disappointment that the assassination of Trump was not successful are actually admitting their true desire to murder anyone who disagrees with them.
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ren

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #223 on: August 04, 2024, 03:51:28 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on August 04, 2024, 03:06:10 PM
The people who publicly express disappointment that the assassination of Trump was not successful are actually admitting their true desire to murder anyone who disagrees with them.

like two members here on this forum....
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rpoL98

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #224 on: August 05, 2024, 12:06:55 AM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on August 04, 2024, 03:06:10 PM
The people who publicly express disappointment that the assassination of Trump was not successful are actually admitting their true desire to murder anyone who disagrees with them.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #225 on: August 06, 2024, 11:52:00 AM »
Now the Secret Service admits they did not have an agent in the LE command post before the shooting.  How long before is still a question.

Cheatle testified to Congress the standard method of interagency communication was to let each agency retain their own radio comms while the liaisons in the command post would share those alerts so they can be relayed to all agencies.

Apparently there was one agent in the command post who left for some reason.  There were supposedly 2 other Secret Service agents assigned there, but couldn't get in due to key card problems??  What??  I guess knocking on the door was not an option. 

"My card isn't working."

"My card doesn't work, either."

"Oh, well.  I saw a stand selling coffee and donuts."

"Great!  Maybe we'll get freebies showing our badges."

 :wtf:

Every new detail that comes out just causes more and more questions.

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zippz

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #226 on: August 28, 2024, 09:35:01 AM »
Rifle used in the attempt.  It has a red dot optic and a milspec trigger.  It would've been challenging to get a headshot and rapid followup shots at 150 yards with that setup , unsupported, and under pressure.  Explains why the shooter missed.

« Last Edit: August 28, 2024, 10:02:57 AM by zippz »
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changemyoil66

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #227 on: August 28, 2024, 10:52:22 AM »
Assuming he was aiming for Trumps head, if Trump hadn't moved, he would have been on the money.  Impressive from a zero power at 150yrds, under stress, minimal support (no bag rest).
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macsak

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #228 on: August 28, 2024, 11:00:36 AM »
or lucky...

Quote from: changemyoil66 on August 28, 2024, 10:52:22 AM
Assuming he was aiming for Trumps head, if Trump hadn't moved, he would have been on the money.  Impressive from a zero power at 150yrds, under stress, minimal support (no bag rest).
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #229 on: August 28, 2024, 12:07:12 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on August 28, 2024, 10:52:22 AM
Assuming he was aiming for Trumps head, if Trump hadn't moved, he would have been on the money.  Impressive from a zero power at 150yrds, under stress, minimal support (no bag rest).

Actually, an AR-15 at 150 yards with BUIS would be the same -- no magnification.  If you have good eyesight, it's a makable distance.
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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drck1000

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #230 on: August 28, 2024, 01:12:50 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on August 28, 2024, 10:52:22 AM
Assuming he was aiming for Trumps head, if Trump hadn't moved, he would have been on the money.  Impressive from a zero power at 150yrds, under stress, minimal support (no bag rest).
150 yards at target size of your infamous "jabong". . . can do. . . at least I thought that's what you said. . .

I wouldn't say impressive.  Definitely not unrealistic for someone who has some experience.  If "just got the rifle", maybe. . .
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drck1000

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #231 on: August 28, 2024, 01:21:04 PM »
Quote from: macsak on August 28, 2024, 11:00:36 AM
or lucky...
or maybe if they actually shot once in a while. . . or owned guns. . .

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macsak

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #232 on: August 28, 2024, 01:31:47 PM »
or owned scopes or ammo...

Quote from: drck1000 on August 28, 2024, 01:21:04 PM
or maybe if they actually shot once in a while. . . or owned guns. . .
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changemyoil66

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #233 on: August 28, 2024, 02:46:17 PM »
Quote from: drck1000 on August 28, 2024, 01:12:50 PM
150 yards at target size of your infamous "jabong". . . can do. . . at least I thought that's what you said. . .

I wouldn't say impressive.  Definitely not unrealistic for someone who has some experience.  If "just got the rifle", maybe. . .

If his POA was Trumps nose, which it may have been until the head turn.  This is what I mean by impressive. POA/POI.  If he was aiming for the Indian dot, then he would be 1.5 inches low as the top of where the ear attaches is about that far.  IDK if he had time to adjust his RDS brightness either or had it set as "guud enough".  But even then, the sun can change the brightness needed so there's less starburst.

Had he had a magnified optic, then it wouldn't be as impressive, but normal.

There's really no way of knowing though. He could have been aiming center mass instead.  Or like Mac said, lucky.

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macsak

Re: Former President Trump, shot on stage at a rally
« Reply #234 on: September 04, 2024, 07:12:10 AM »
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